retiredref wrote:I ran for Arlington board a while back and even though I didn't win I did a lot of research while running and can assure the field space issue in Arlington is very real. Since the current AD took over the travel program and they stopped shooting themselves in the foot year after year they have been attracting more and more players from outside Arlington to their travel programs and Arlington is a very small and pretty urbanized county with very limited field space. Field space is a limiter for every travel age group, the last time my son tried out there were ~120 boys trying out and they could only allocate space for 2 teams. If you have ideas for how to fix this or connections in the county to help sufficiently prioritize soccer I suggest you run for board there.

NoVaRTP wrote:Yes, the total amount of teams in Arlington and the limited space/fields impact all levels of soccer in Arlington.

As a long-time parent of Travel Soccer in Arlington, it is frustrating. Whereas Fairfax may have 10 different travel programs - pulling from ~1.1 million people. Arlington has 1 travel program, pulling from ~250K people. And due to traffic patterns, it is much easier for Fairfax people to drive into Arlington, than it is for Arlington to drive out to other Fairfax clubs.

So Arlington's top travel teams can be more selective, and they generally turn out to be pretty decent. This brings in top talent from outside Arlington year after year. MY DC is on a team that is in Division 1 NCSL, and about 1/3 of the team is from outside Arlington, and one or two new outside players are brought in every year.

We would try out elsewhere since our DC could make a top team elsewhere, but my spouse and I are both working professionals, and don't have time for far-away practices. And let's face it, my DC is not getting a college scholarship for soccer and will not make a career out of soccer. I might have reconsidered staying, but when ASA pulled out of CCL, the competition got much better and their games are fun to watch again.

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

RedCard wrote:

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Are there any other clubs in the region that limit themselves to only residents of a particular locality?

I doubt the county government would be interested in battling this with ASA, for a whole host of reasons. The optics of trying to force a local private business to prioritize (largely more affluent) county residents over non-residents who simply cannot afford to live in Arlington would be pretty bad on its own.

retiredref wrote:I ran for Arlington board a while back and even though I didn't win I did a lot of research while running and can assure the field space issue in Arlington is very real. Since the current AD took over the travel program and they stopped shooting themselves in the foot year after year they have been attracting more and more players from outside Arlington to their travel programs and Arlington is a very small and pretty urbanized county with very limited field space. Field space is a limiter for every travel age group, the last time my son tried out there were ~120 boys trying out and they could only allocate space for 2 teams. If you have ideas for how to fix this or connections in the county to help sufficiently prioritize soccer I suggest you run for board there.

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Are there any other clubs in the region that limit themselves to only residents of a particular locality?

I doubt the county government would be interested in battling this with ASA, for a whole host of reasons. The optics of trying to force a local private business to prioritize (largely more affluent) county residents over non-residents who simply cannot afford to live in Arlington would be pretty bad on its own.

I'm not sure if there are residency requirements for other travel leagues, but keep in mind that Arlington could potentially be facing space constraints that are more severe than in neighboring counties.

While I don't have the data, it seems possible that the number of non-resident kids in Arlington's travel program might be about equal to the total number in Arlington's ADP program. This means that ADP could double in size if non-resident kids were excluded from the travel program.

At the very least, it would be useful if the ASA would share their data. Exactly how many non-resident kids are in the travel program?

soccerVA1 wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Are there any other clubs in the region that limit themselves to only residents of a particular locality?

I doubt the county government would be interested in battling this with ASA, for a whole host of reasons. The optics of trying to force a local private business to prioritize (largely more affluent) county residents over non-residents who simply cannot afford to live in Arlington would be pretty bad on its own.

I'm not sure if there are residency requirements for other travel leagues, but keep in mind that Arlington could potentially be facing space constraints that are more severe than in neighboring counties.

While I don't have the data, it seems possible that the number of non-resident kids in Arlington's travel program might be about equal to the total number in Arlington's ADP program. This means that ADP could double in size if non-resident kids were excluded from the travel program.

At the very least, it would be useful if the ASA would share their data. Exactly how many non-resident kids are in the travel program?

Assuming this is a zero sum game in terms of number of kids that can participate, ASA makes more money from travel players than it does from ADP players, so financially, it makes sense to allow the non-resident travel players. ASA also charges a small surcharge to non-resident players (I think it is around $30 per season). Also, if enough ADP players decide to play rec, the competitive level of rec would improve.

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Are there any other clubs in the region that limit themselves to only residents of a particular locality?

I doubt the county government would be interested in battling this with ASA, for a whole host of reasons. The optics of trying to force a local private business to prioritize (largely more affluent) county residents over non-residents who simply cannot afford to live in Arlington would be pretty bad on its own.

I'm not sure if there are residency requirements for other travel leagues, but keep in mind that Arlington could potentially be facing space constraints that are more severe than in neighboring counties.

While I don't have the data, it seems possible that the number of non-resident kids in Arlington's travel program might be about equal to the total number in Arlington's ADP program. This means that ADP could double in size if non-resident kids were excluded from the travel program.

At the very least, it would be useful if the ASA would share their data. Exactly how many non-resident kids are in the travel program?

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:

RedCard wrote:

Heloise wrote:I think it’s completely unrealistic to expect ASA to stop accepting non-Arlington residents into its travel program. We get so many out of county residents because it’s a strong program, but it’s somewhat circular - ASA is a strong program in part because it draws talent from a wide geographic area, and it draws from that wide area because of the strength of its program. But ASA is a private club, not part of the county government, so it has zero obligation to prioritize county residents over the strength of its program.

That said, the lack of field space is a real problem on many levels. It would be great to expand ADP, just like it would be great if travel teams didn’t have to practice on, let alone play games on, the hellscape of Kenmore’s field. Unfortunately I don’t see field availability increasing anytime soon, and ASA certainly isn’t going to shrink the club, so we are stuck with it unless we want to go out-of-county.

If the pro coaches are indeed worth the money, surely they don't need to grab talent that has been developed outside of Arlington?

How about ASA travel figures out how to better develop the talents of its resident population, as opposed to kicking its own residents aside in favor of kids from elsewhere?

ASA is a private company, but it doesn't own Arlington's fields -- it rents them. The fields are owned by the government. Surely that gives the government some leverage?

Are there any other clubs in the region that limit themselves to only residents of a particular locality?

I doubt the county government would be interested in battling this with ASA, for a whole host of reasons. The optics of trying to force a local private business to prioritize (largely more affluent) county residents over non-residents who simply cannot afford to live in Arlington would be pretty bad on its own.

I'm not sure if there are residency requirements for other travel leagues, but keep in mind that Arlington could potentially be facing space constraints that are more severe than in neighboring counties.

While I don't have the data, it seems possible that the number of non-resident kids in Arlington's travel program might be about equal to the total number in Arlington's ADP program. This means that ADP could double in size if non-resident kids were excluded from the travel program.

At the very least, it would be useful if the ASA would share their data. Exactly how many non-resident kids are in the travel program?

I highly doubt pp’s estimate of a third of players coming from out of county holds true across all ASA travel teams. For the highest-level teams, sure, I can see it, but not for teams at the blue or black level. From what I’ve seen, those teams are almost all Arlington residents, and the ones from outside Arlington tend to come from McLean or Falls Church, not Springfield or Reston. If Arlington residents want more options, McLean and PAC are very accessible.

All that aside, if ADP expanded to later years, I think there is a risk that it would effectively kill the rec program for those age groups.