Leaked Docs: [St. Albans] Poised To Crack Down on ‘Harmful’ Humor

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It's actually "Jon" Gruden, not "John" Gruden.

Good catch. At least I didn’t call him “Jay”.

Same thing


No, as Jay is Jon’s brother

I’m sure the have very similar views
Anonymous
Remarkable how quickly so many posters condemn the author without knowing him, condemn the article because of where it was published, but are blind to the obvious fact that the story is really part of a larger dynamic -- the often unchecked influence of increasingly aggressive DEI officers and increasingly vague DEI policies with minimal oversight.

Of course, everyone would agree as to what is really "racist" right? Of course, everyone knows "hate speech" when they see it, right? Tell that to this Native American student at Yale Law School - also published by the Free Beacon (this time with tape recordings to prove the facts in the story.)

https://freebeacon.com/campus/a-yale-law-student-sent-a-lighthearted-email-inviting-classmates-to-his-trap-house-the-school-is-now-calling-him-to-account/





Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


There there, little buddy. Sorry middle and high school aged kids can't make racist jokes at school anymore and get away with it. I know it must be confusing and frightening when the world changes from being ordered to the whims and conveniences of your own demographic group, and gosh darn it, you liked it the old way! But it'll be OK, snowflake.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.


If your 14 year old thinks a racist joke (which you dismiss as "sophomoric") is acceptable in any context, let alone school, by that age, you've failed as a parent -- unless of course your goal was to raise a racist, in which case, bravo!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.


If your 14 year old thinks a racist joke (which you dismiss as "sophomoric") is acceptable in any context, let alone school, by that age, you've failed as a parent -- unless of course your goal was to raise a racist, in which case, bravo!



So here is the sad and shocking truth for you totalitarian DEI loving liberals, your kids are the ones making the racist comments not my independent no party affiliation ones. Mine have not only been raised to abhor racism but unfortunately and more acutely have a a genuine fear of the thought police and cancel culture. Your liberal children have the mantle of liberal hubris--they think that because they are so accepting they can say whatever they want, and they do, I've been shocked by what comes out of these kids mouth whose parents publicly espouse absolute" tolerance" at all costs. As far as the STA policy, it is dangerous and it won't and can't be applied evenly. I have no doubt that if the two kids say the same racist thing and one is the son of a Republican law maker and the other the son of Democratic one, or better yet a liberal media talent (STA really loves those these days) the outcome will not be the same. And what about the race of the racist perp? I've heard black kids say racist things to white, Asian, gay, and Hispanic kids--will they be treated the same? I doubt it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: Remarkable how quickly so many posters condemn the author without knowing him, condemn the article because of where it was published, but are blind to the obvious fact that the story is really part of a larger dynamic -- the often unchecked influence of increasingly aggressive DEI officers and increasingly vague DEI policies with minimal oversight.

Of course, everyone would agree as to what is really "racist" right? Of course, everyone knows "hate speech" when they see it, right? Tell that to this Native American student at Yale Law School - also published by the Free Beacon (this time with tape recordings to prove the facts in the story.)

https://freebeacon.com/campus/a-yale-law-student-sent-a-lighthearted-email-inviting-classmates-to-his-trap-house-the-school-is-now-calling-him-to-account/


This is on point and a perfect example of why the STA draft policy is so flawed



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.


If your 14 year old thinks a racist joke (which you dismiss as "sophomoric") is acceptable in any context, let alone school, by that age, you've failed as a parent -- unless of course your goal was to raise a racist, in which case, bravo!



So here is the sad and shocking truth for you totalitarian DEI loving liberals, your kids are the ones making the racist comments not my independent no party affiliation ones. Mine have not only been raised to abhor racism but unfortunately and more acutely have a a genuine fear of the thought police and cancel culture. Your liberal children have the mantle of liberal hubris--they think that because they are so accepting they can say whatever they want, and they do, I've been shocked by what comes out of these kids mouth whose parents publicly espouse absolute" tolerance" at all costs. As far as the STA policy, it is dangerous and it won't and can't be applied evenly. I have no doubt that if the two kids say the same racist thing and one is the son of a Republican law maker and the other the son of Democratic one, or better yet a liberal media talent (STA really loves those these days) the outcome will not be the same. And what about the race of the racist perp? I've heard black kids say racist things to white, Asian, gay, and Hispanic kids--will they be treated the same? I doubt it.


STA had made some major mistakes in its admissions and is now suffering the consequences for years to come….
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.


If your 14 year old thinks a racist joke (which you dismiss as "sophomoric") is acceptable in any context, let alone school, by that age, you've failed as a parent -- unless of course your goal was to raise a racist, in which case, bravo!



So here is the sad and shocking truth for you totalitarian DEI loving liberals, your kids are the ones making the racist comments not my independent no party affiliation ones. Mine have not only been raised to abhor racism but unfortunately and more acutely have a a genuine fear of the thought police and cancel culture. Your liberal children have the mantle of liberal hubris--they think that because they are so accepting they can say whatever they want, and they do, I've been shocked by what comes out of these kids mouth whose parents publicly espouse absolute" tolerance" at all costs. As far as the STA policy, it is dangerous and it won't and can't be applied evenly. I have no doubt that if the two kids say the same racist thing and one is the son of a Republican law maker and the other the son of Democratic one, or better yet a liberal media talent (STA really loves those these days) the outcome will not be the same. And what about the race of the racist perp? I've heard black kids say racist things to white, Asian, gay, and Hispanic kids--will they be treated the same? I doubt it.


Talk about undermining your message of neutrality with a bunch of far-right talking points . . .
Anonymous
Only far right in your dc liberal bubble. Might want to get out of your comfort zone a bit and open your eyes to your leftist extremists prejudices.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That article makes conservatives sound awful, not St Albans. It is not a conservative value to abide by racist jokes. If you are part of the St. Albans community, you would trust the administrators and teachers who devote their lives to the education of boys. If you were part of the community, you wouldn’t want your Jewish or black peers to be made to feel lesser. That idea is not radical. Men of honor wouldn’t promote racism or anti-semitism in the light of day. Trump so ruined the politics of Republicans. I also think highly of the Head of Landon, at whom the article takes shots.

Stop stirring the pot. The DEI policy at STA is hardly controversial. If you don’t like it, best go elsewhere.


Will do. Don't need a sophomoric joke told by my 14 year old son to wreck his HS experience. I will teach him right/wrong and I will find teachers who want to educate.


If your 14 year old thinks a racist joke (which you dismiss as "sophomoric") is acceptable in any context, let alone school, by that age, you've failed as a parent -- unless of course your goal was to raise a racist, in which case, bravo!



So here is the sad and shocking truth for you totalitarian DEI loving liberals, your kids are the ones making the racist comments not my independent no party affiliation ones. Mine have not only been raised to abhor racism but unfortunately and more acutely have a a genuine fear of the thought police and cancel culture. Your liberal children have the mantle of liberal hubris--they think that because they are so accepting they can say whatever they want, and they do, I've been shocked by what comes out of these kids mouth whose parents publicly espouse absolute" tolerance" at all costs. As far as the STA policy, it is dangerous and it won't and can't be applied evenly. I have no doubt that if the two kids say the same racist thing and one is the son of a Republican law maker and the other the son of Democratic one, or better yet a liberal media talent (STA really loves those these days) the outcome will not be the same. And what about the race of the racist perp? I've heard black kids say racist things to white, Asian, gay, and Hispanic kids--will they be treated the same? I doubt it.


Holy shit take a Xanax or Valium and go meditate! You could use a little yogi style meditation and green tea! You sound completely unhinged! Tell your son and spouse to keep their racist and anti Semitic jokes to themselves and you will be okay!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Only far right in your dc liberal bubble. Might want to get out of your comfort zone a bit and open your eyes to your leftist extremists prejudices.


I've lived all over this country, including in the Midwest, and identify as an independent (pro-military, pro-civil rights). You might think I live in some bubble, but clearly you are deep within the far-right echo chamber. Have fun with that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Only far right in your dc liberal bubble. Might want to get out of your comfort zone a bit and open your eyes to your leftist extremists prejudices.



DP. Now we see what STA is dealing with and why they would have to pass such a measure. Sorry guys no more racist or anti-Semitic jokes are allowed. Yes. What is your point? Regardless of politics who wants their kids or classmates spewing jokes that are hurtful to anyone? Aren’t we all trying to teach our kids to be better humans and people?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:"St. Albans did not respond to a request for comment about why it would take the "good faith" of those reporting misdeeds into consideration but not the intent of the alleged perpetrators."

I'm not surprised that they passed on responding to a loaded question that assumes something not stated in the text of the memo. The fact that impact is of utmost importance doesn't mean that intent is not taken into consideration in the punishment.

It's too bad that the Free Beacon isn't able to approach topics like these with some minimal level of intellectual honesty.


I would think that BOTH the impact ad the intent would be of utmost importance in understanding, adjudicating, and remediating cases of hate speech... but they clearly juxtapose these and explicitly diminish the relative importance of intent. It's a question of degree... but the way it's worded in the draft policy it clearly comes across that while intent might technically still be a consideration, it's a relatively unimportant one. I think that's wrong.
Anonymous
Ok folks, let’s test the policy.

16 year old invites his class to a birthday party at his house, and the invite says “I’m 16! Come to my Trap House and celebrate.”

Racist? Hate Speech? Yes, no, maybe? Do you need to Google it? Does it depend on whether he illegally served underaged kids beer? What if he plays rap music at the party?

What if half the students of a particular racial group say it is and they fee threatened. And what if the other half say it isn’t racist at all?

What if its tour son’s best friend hosting the party and you and he gets the invite first. If you don’t report it and it is later deemed racist, has you done committed an honor code violation? Have you? The draft policy says students and parents are expected to report.





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