Leaked Docs: [St. Albans] Poised To Crack Down on ‘Harmful’ Humor

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[Post New]10/13/2021 08:27
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.
[Post New]10/13/2021 08:32
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"It is the impact of hate speech, rather than the intent of those perpetrating it, that is of utmost importance." Wowza. Child who simply repeats a word he has no idea the meaning of because the impact is important he's expelled? How oh how if the we can't even utter the words will these kids know what hate speech is?

This is a dumb comment. First, the STA policy doesn’t mean that if a kid “accidentally” utters a word he’s going to be expelled. It just puts families on notice that you can get expelled for saying racist and bigoted things. I hope that’s not a stretch for anyone. Second, these are middle and high school boys. They know full well what the words mean. Third, you suggest that someone needs to be able to say racist words at school so the kids will understand what hate speech is; that’s just utter nonsense. It seems you really want to be able to say racist things; no one is stopping you, but you should be prepared for the consequences.


Alright dumb dumb a kid hears a word in a song or older kids saying a racist word and repeats it. Regardless of the kids intent, according to the draft he can be kicked out. And yes, if teachers do not talk about why a word is bad, presumably that means actually saying it, then how does one know how or why a word is racist? I for one would like my kids to understand the nuisances of racist language which means the words must be spoken. Middle school ages at STA range from 9 to 14 or 15--still lots of real world ignorance and plain old innocence. Making racist jokes is bad. Ignoring a child's intent/ignorance and just looking at the impact of the spoken word now that's stupid. If it's a senior making bullying racists jokes and/or comments definitely warrants expulsion. The point is this policy leaves way to much room for abuse of power. Expulsion for uttering a word is extreme.


This is such a red herring argument. Do you really have such little faith in the teachers at St Albans? C’mon.
[Post New]10/13/2021 08:34
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.


My kid attends STA and I will take my chances. Would rather have him at a school which has no tolerance for racism.
[Post New]10/13/2021 08:34
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Where is the actual draft? The references to expulsion in the linked articles are outside the quotation marks, i.e. the journalist's thoughts not something drawn directly from the policy.
[Post New]10/13/2021 08:35
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.


how racist do you think you and your kid are that you're that worried about this?
[Post New]10/13/2021 08:37
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Anonymous wrote:Long seen as a conservative holdout among private schools, the St. Albans School could soon expel students for one off-color joke.

https://freebeacon.com/campus/leaked-docs-prestigious-dc-school-poised-to-crack-down-on-harmful-humor/
https://freebeacon.com/campus/leaked-docs-prestigious-dc-school-poised-to-crack-down-on-harmful-humor/


Good for STA. This is a LONG time coming and may be in response to several racist, homophobic, and anti Semitic incidents that have happened at STA. Yes jokes can be harmful especially if they are demeaning to others.

I wonder if this policy will apply to parents too even if they are VIPs, big donors, or bffs of VIPs? It should apply as some comments being thrown around are disgusting.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:07
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10th grade John Gruden could be expelled for his many bigoted “jokes.” I’m ok with that. Good job STA.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:08
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.


how racist do you think you and your kid are that you're that worried about this?


Not racist in the least. But again the policy is open fodder for abuse of authority. I disagree with the policy because I believe that we should be educating our children about the history behind hateful speech and that means really delving into it not avoiding it. When children, middle school kids are genuine children, make mistakes it is an opportunity for everyone to learn. If we don’t let children make mistakes they’re not going to learn and ultimately we will live in a more racist world. The core of my argument is that this policy while on its face would not appear to do so, will ultimately squash what could be helpful dialogue and chill a willingness to learn. I can think of an incident in fourth grade where a child compared another child to an animal during tag. To the adults it was obvious that this could be construed as a racist remark. To the children it was not. Under the new policy because of the fact of the child made the comment the child would most certainly be expelled. And that is a shame because the child was not trying to be racist. Not only did he learn why his comment was hurtful but so did the rest of the class. For those who to ask if we have such little faith in the school that we think there would be an abuse of power? Why leave the language up for any abuse of authority? Tailor the language appropriately.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:19
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.


how racist do you think you and your kid are that you're that worried about this?


Not racist in the least. But again the policy is open fodder for abuse of authority. I disagree with the policy because I believe that we should be educating our children about the history behind hateful speech and that means really delving into it not avoiding it. When children, middle school kids are genuine children, make mistakes it is an opportunity for everyone to learn. If we don’t let children make mistakes they’re not going to learn and ultimately we will live in a more racist world. The core of my argument is that this policy while on its face would not appear to do so, will ultimately squash what could be helpful dialogue and chill a willingness to learn. I can think of an incident in fourth grade where a child compared another child to an animal during tag. To the adults it was obvious that this could be construed as a racist remark. To the children it was not. Under the new policy because of the fact of the child made the comment the child would most certainly be expelled. And that is a shame because the child was not trying to be racist. Not only did he learn why his comment was hurtful but so did the rest of the class. For those who to ask if we have such little faith in the school that we think there would be an abuse of power? Why leave the language up for any abuse of authority? Tailor the language appropriately.


Have you been to sta? “Could be construed as racist” in the abstract, but is that how sta teachers and admin reason? No. They are some of the most thoughtful and nuanced educators I’ve met. I’m liberal, and I am also very concerned that reflexive decisions by relatively unthinking bureaucrats is a danger to education. STA is not a place of reflexive decision-making by relatively unthinking bureaucrats. It’s a thoughtful, nuanced set of people. There should be a policy against hate speech, period. But unless shown otherwise, I’m not about to assume that this group of incredibly thoughtful educators at sta are suddenly going to transform into rigid, unthinking automatons.

If you are part of this community, and I suspect you’re not, you wouldn’t be engaged in this reductionist and alarmist abstract fear-mongering.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:40
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A school's contract allows them to expel students for many reasons, including off campus behavior during the summer. This doesn't make it any easier to expel a kid. You think schools are out there hunting for reasons to get rid of students? It's a traumatic experience for everyone.

Like a previous poster asked, how much racism does your kid spew that you're worried?
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:41
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I'm amused that STA is described as a "conservative" school, apparently because they have uniforms and eat in a refectory.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:42
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Snowflake journalism. What a joke.


Until the thought police comes after you and your little snow flake and cancels you both.


Ok hon. Just keep hurling the N word behind people's backs. You do you.
[Post New]10/13/2021 09:51
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the policy wont apply to kids of alums or parents who have donated more than 25k
[Post New]10/13/2021 10:06
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Anonymous wrote:I'm amused that STA is described as a "conservative" school, apparently because they have uniforms and eat in a refectory.


The parent community compared to the other top schools in DC is conservative. More than half of my sons grade is openly conservative and Among them I’d say many parents and boys are also supportive of Trump.
[Post New]10/13/2021 10:09
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm amused that STA is described as a "conservative" school, apparently because they have uniforms and eat in a refectory.


The parent community compared to the other top schools in DC is conservative. More than half of my sons grade is openly conservative and Among them I’d say many parents and boys are also supportive of Trump.



what grade?
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