Newborn and non-vaccinated grandma

Anonymous
(I posted this in the Family forum, but actually think it may make sense here since I have a 5 month old and that's a lot of what it's about. Sorry for the double post!)

Hey all, I've seen several posts about this, but genuinely just would like to share my experience. I have a newborn who was born this spring and we had a pretty terrible birth experience. I was in the hospital with a severe preeclampsia for a week before his birth, and then he ended up in the NICU for another week First hospital experience, I've always been healthy, so it was pretty traumatizing. My husband and I have always been pretty careful about the COVID stuff this past year, and while I'm not a paranoid person, more than ever, after my birth experience and the NICU stay for my baby, it really kind of drove home the "anything can happen" mentality. I have not wanted to take any chances on my son getting sick. I don't want him to be the boy in the bubble, but the NICU experience traumatized me, and I am not willing to do anything that may put him at risk.

Meanwhile, throughout the last year, my mom and dad (who has Parkinsons disease) have recently retired and were traveling all around to the county, to visit friends in many COVID hot-spots, and not being "careful" at all. I asked them to quarantine before meeting baby, and we spent the final months leading up to his birth ignoring my email requests to discuss what a quarantine would look like (since they were on the road and not at home). The baby ended up coming a month early, and they couldn't be there to support me because their trip plans didn't allow because they didn't know how to change their quarantine plan at that point. So I had zero support from them. Please note I have historically been VERY close with my parents, and I was genuinely hurt and shocked that they didn't prioritize understanding our quarantine request in order to try and make it work in a way that they could have been here. They ended up meeting him two months after his birth.

Fast forward, my father did decide to get the vaccine. My mom did not. I have a brother who lives over in Europe. My parents live in New England. My mom insists that anytime she comes down to see the baby, she is happy to quarantine for 2 weeks up north in advance of their trip, and that my dad (who, reminder, has Parkinsons) can do all their errands while she is quarantining. She said if there's any sort of emergency, my dad can drive down to DC to help me, and she will join later. They just also had to cancel a planned trip to Europe to see my brother, because of restrictions on the unvaccinated in the country they were planning to visit. I have been devastated over the lack of time I've been able to have with them, because I can't fathom asking my mom to quarantine and have my dad run around and be her gopher every single time I want them to come down to DC. She will NOT get vaccinated. I have tried calm conversations, I have had angry conversations, and she won't listen to my dad or brother, either. She has a very small group of friends from college who it seems support each other in this view, but literally no one else in our family nor close family friends shares this perspective. I am a new mom and she has not seen my son more than once. My husband works crazy hours and I could have used the support a million times. I haven't brought this up to her because she would genuinely believe that it's on me, because I haven't asked them to quarantine... which, per above, I don't feel comfortable doing based on my dad's situation. We DO have a planned visit in October which they will be quarantining for. I don't know about the holidays yet.

It beyond stings, although I know it's not personal, that I don't feel I have my mom as a legitimate resource. We used to do more video calls and speak over the phone because she and I are very close, but it's becoming near impossible for me to have even superficial conversation with her because I feel so upset and alone. I have talked with my dad about it, and he agrees that we are allowed to feel upset, but he can't do anything to change her mind, either. She's missing out on time with my son, she's missing out on opportunities to spend time together, but she legitimately believes these "conspiracy theories" that the government is after us, and has said she doesn't even trust that when it's FDA approved, it will be "safe". I AM in therapy but despite all the mind games I play with myself and focus on "in the moment" i have, it doesn't change the fact that I feel like I'm losing the relationship with her and would do anything for this to feel normal. I also hate that my dad, who I know is a grown up, is going to miss out on opportunities with us as well. My brother also of course lives in Europe, and they can't even go over there, right now. And down the line, if my son gets vaccinated, will my mom even be able to go places with us in DC if these mandates are rolled out? I'm just hoping maybe someone else may be dealing with a similar situation or feel equally lost in all this sometimes. It's really starting to max me out.
Anonymous
Talk to your therapist about getting a prescription. I get it that this is very painful but you also sound like you’re spiraling. Could be PPD/A.



Anonymous
It really sucks that your mom has chosen these conspiracy theories over her family. It makes sense that you're really hurt. It sounds like there's not much you can do at this point, unfortunately. This is your new normal. Therapy can help.
Anonymous
This is a very understandably stressful and disappointing situation. Of course you want your mom to be there for you and of course it’s hurtful if she is not. I would give it one more very calm effort to convince her by saying that you are very sad she can’t see you and your child more offen, that you are t comfortable with the current isolation protocol and that you really need her to get the vaccine. If she still will not, I think you just need to come to terms with the fact that your mother essentially has a mental illness that makes it currently impossible for her to help you or be with your baby. I think that’s an easier way to process it than to feel like she is choosing her crazy friends and conspiracy theories over you and your baby.
Good luck to you and your baby—you are about to hit the point where it gets easier!
Anonymous
OP to first responder - Thank you. I've honestly thought about it. I just feel like lately it's been constantly on my mind and I have been obsessing, which I know could be a sign that I really need additional help via prescription or something. Thanks for pointing that out (really).
Anonymous
You don’t need pills or therapy, you are in the right. Honestly it sounds like she’s not making an effort and even if she was vaccinated she wouldn’t be much help. Hire a nanny or mother’s helper and you’ll have more clarity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It really sucks that your mom has chosen these conspiracy theories over her family. It makes sense that you're really hurt. It sounds like there's not much you can do at this point, unfortunately. This is your new normal. Therapy can help.


+1

I think you're doing the right thing, btw. But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It really sucks that your mom has chosen these conspiracy theories over her family. It makes sense that you're really hurt. It sounds like there's not much you can do at this point, unfortunately. This is your new normal. Therapy can help.


This. You're doing everything right, your boundaries are reasonable, your mom is being unreasonable. I'm sorry.
Anonymous
So stressful OP. I would be obsessing too.
Anonymous
OP I can feel your anguish. I can only imagine your disappointment. I too think you should talk to a therapist to help you work through your extremely justifiable feelings. You’re in the right but that can be cold comfort. I can tell you as someone with much older children, that often when we have our own babies it makes us reconsider our own parents in a different light and this can be very painful. I just want to validate your feelings and offer my sympathy. It’s so hard when the ones we love the most let us down. Just try to focus on your precious baby and your new family. Best wishes.
Anonymous
Sounds like a very selfish choice your mom has made. Disregard for you, grandbaby, and your father. I would try therapy if you need it to try and accept that you can’t change her. It sucks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You don’t need pills or therapy, you are in the right. Honestly it sounds like she’s not making an effort and even if she was vaccinated she wouldn’t be much help. Hire a nanny or mother’s helper and you’ll have more clarity.


Completely this. But so hard OP when this is such a deliberate choice she is making over and over. It's not at all the same but can she provide any financial assistance like paying for a mother's helper? So at least someone can be helping you?
Anonymous
Somebody could make a lot of money offering a deprogramming service for people like your mother. I fear there are many families in a similar situation.
Anonymous
My cousin went through this with my aunt. She was firm, no vaccine, no holding the baby. My aunt got vaccinated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Talk to your therapist about getting a prescription. I get it that this is very painful but you also sound like you’re spiraling. Could be PPD/A.





What? No.

OP ignore this absurd post.
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