Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read the thread. When I first listened to the album I was kinda disappointed. Was looking for something more like Midnights. But I’m finding myself liking it more and more, singing bits and pieces of several songs thru the day. Fortnight, TPPD, Down Bad, Who’s Afraid…, I Can Do It with a Broken Heart among my favorites.

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More like the Tortured Posting Department

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Joe was so guarded and private but he would not be well-known at all if it weren’t for her; he certainly wouldn’t have won a Grammy. She made him a household name (maybe he didn’t want that?). It would be ridiculous if he feels betrayed or disappointed by these songs, as has been reported. I hope that’s all BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe was so guarded and private but he would not be well-known at all if it weren’t for her; he certainly wouldn’t have won a Grammy. She made him a household name (maybe he didn’t want that?). It would be ridiculous if he feels betrayed or disappointed by these songs, as has been reported. I hope that’s all BS.

I am starting to think that Joe and Travis were PR on her behalf and she has been using them to cover up for the one man she has been in love with for a decade or more. It’s possible they even knew and went along with it because as you said about Joe in particular, the PR benefitted him a lot too. It is unlikely he listened to songs about illicit affairs and secret pining while they were together and didn’t put two and two together.
Death By A Thousand Cuts is my favorite song on the Lover album, and I have always wondered about those lyrics. Wasn’t Lover the Joe album and at the peak of their bliss? Yet in that song she says she gets drunk (“functioning alcoholic” vibes) but it’s not enough because as soon as she sobers up, she remembers he is not her baby!?! Then she sings how she looks through the windows of their love even though they’ve *boarded them up*. Prologue of TTPD says this chapter is now closed and “boarded up.” But is it?

Same for Travis. No way you listen to TTPD and think to yourself, that’s cool, she was over this decade-long epic love when we got together *a couple* of months after they broke it off, against her wishes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More like the Tortured Posting Department

Accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Obsessing over "Robin." She writes about children and childhood so well. If she wants a child, I hope it happens for her!

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I think Aaron Dessner wrote or at least co-wrote that about his son. Beautiful song.

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I hope she adds "But Daddy I Love Him" in her TTPD segment on the Eras tour. We are seeing her later this year, and I love this song.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that there’s more about Matty than Joe.

I wouldn’t read too much into that. Maybe Joe was a more stable relationship and she’s more at peace with how things ended.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is she singing about in Fortnight, which is a beautiful song? The line about my husband is cheating must be about Joe, but I think it's interesting she conjured up an affair between two neighbors.

"Now you're in my backyard, turned into good neighbors" - Matty Healy moved to LA from London with a new girlfriend in the fall.
"My husband is cheating, I wanna kill him." - Taylor and Matty have gotten pretend married in like a million songs by now: in their heads (About You, The 1975), with paper rings, with imaginary rings, and talked rings and cradles, and he moved the ring from her middle finger to the ring finger under the table, and they had the imaginary wedding in 'But Daddy I Love Him."

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Add me to the growing list of people coming around on this album.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

It isn’t bravery. Just a narcissistic attitude that comes from the self centered lives of those who are rich and famous. Look at Ariana. She also had a do anything for love, IDGaF
Attitude. It isn’t bravery cheating on your husband with another married man. Nor is singing about it. It isn’t risky for these ladies. People support them no matter what they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.

And just to add, is that even in her best business interest? What happens if she falls in love and stays in another long term relationship? What if she gets married? Will she write songs if she’s in a stable relationship? Or just perform old ones? Obviously she never has to worry about money, but I assume she’s like being at the top of her game, and if that is dependent upon heartbreak material, she’ll have to go from relationship to relationship forever, pretending she’s shocked and devestating when it ends.

Considering so many of her songs are based on stories and not her real life, which she has been honest about, I don’t think that is a concern. She’s done a really good job of taking inspiration from other things. She’s talked about how a lot of her songs on her pandemic albums were inspired by old movies she watched in lockdown.

I am sure some of this is true. But also some of it probably isn't. Can she admit, I burned for this other man while I was with Joe for 6 years (and before, and after) and wrote dozens of songs about him in code? Good girl, role model Taylor? I used to think that she would never, but then TTPD came out, and now I am actually in awe of her bravery, her grand gesture in the name of love, and her IDGAF attitude. Because she loved Matty Healy, thinks he is worthy and wants the world to know. But why risk it now if she is truly over him? Because I don't think she is.

It isn’t bravery. Just a narcissistic attitude that comes from the self centered lives of those who are rich and famous. Look at Ariana. She also had a do anything for love, IDGaF
Attitude. It isn’t bravery cheating on your husband with another married man. Nor is singing about it. It isn’t risky for these ladies. People support them no matter what they do.

I don't think she cheated on Joe. I think he probably knew about this at some point but stayed with her for the PR, and they had an agreement. Did people see them out and about in recent years, or ever really? Or were they "together" but living their separate lives?

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"Wait. Pretend (don't let go)
Hold on and hope that we'll find our way back in the end." - About You
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