Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Families should leave DCPS

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/early-childhood/maryland-redshirting-kindergarten-E3477RWX6ZA7HHBSY3J3UD7IEU/

No one has a gun to your head. But while DCPS is flawed, I think contrary to your belief this is not an issue for most parents. And in fact I think a lot of people see this as something DCPS gets right.

Now I think there should be less social promotion in later grades, but frankly even that NYT article says redshirting for the sake of boys is really something that's beneficial in older grades. It's the early test scores that are improved by kindergarten redshirting not the social emotional well being.

If kids aren't prepared to go to K, maybe we should be looking at what we are doing as a culture, parents, educators and our preschools. We have a young for the grade child with a fall birthday who had delays. Knowing that we got help starting at 18 months and did it intensively through ES. We picked more academically focused preschools to make sure our child had the academic and social skills needed. If my developmentally delayed (significant) 4-year-old, almost 5 could go on time, why can't kids with no identified special needs? If anything, the structure of school and academics helped with the developmental delays. This is a poor reflection on preschools if they are not preparing kids, especially the private ones. This is a poor reflection on parents if they don't teach their kids the basic skills to be in a classroom by age 5 or work with them on basic academics if their preschools aren't. If a kid has learning disabilities, starting them at 6 or later is a bad idea as they miss out of a year of remediation and support. The older a child is, the harder it is to remediate and they are behind their peers and a year older which impacts self-esteem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s private DC preschool, 1/3 of the children would be pushed into 1st after preschool if this rule is applied broadly. Anyone know what the principals/registrars at Key, Mann, Stoddert and Hyde are actually doing in these situations ?

I’m part of the PTO at a DCPS elementary school and our principal indicated that they have absolutely no discretion on this. As in, the computers do not give them the option to deviate.

A family that had enrolled their redshirted kid in K at our school for 25-26 after winning the lottery was notified by MySchoolDC that they would have to enroll in 1st instead. But they spoke to the principal who has confirmed the K enrollment will stand. So there must be some discretion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s private DC preschool, 1/3 of the children would be pushed into 1st after preschool if this rule is applied broadly. Anyone know what the principals/registrars at Key, Mann, Stoddert and Hyde are actually doing in these situations ?

I’m part of the PTO at a DCPS elementary school and our principal indicated that they have absolutely no discretion on this. As in, the computers do not give them the option to deviate.

A family that had enrolled their redshirted kid in K at our school for 25-26 after winning the lottery was notified by MySchoolDC that they would have to enroll in 1st instead. But they spoke to the principal who has confirmed the K enrollment will stand. So there must be some discretion.

How recent was this? Because I know principals at schools that had historically done this have walked back on it just in the last 1-2 weeks. Kids that were enrolled in K for 25-26 now being moved to 1st.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s private DC preschool, 1/3 of the children would be pushed into 1st after preschool if this rule is applied broadly. Anyone know what the principals/registrars at Key, Mann, Stoddert and Hyde are actually doing in these situations ?

I’m part of the PTO at a DCPS elementary school and our principal indicated that they have absolutely no discretion on this. As in, the computers do not give them the option to deviate.

A family that had enrolled their redshirted kid in K at our school for 25-26 after winning the lottery was notified by MySchoolDC that they would have to enroll in 1st instead. But they spoke to the principal who has confirmed the K enrollment will stand. So there must be some discretion.

This is false. Myschooldc lottery system does not allow you to lottery into a grade that doesn’t fit your age. The Myschooldc website makes that clear. Another poster flagged that link. Either you’re trolling or your friend’s conversation with the principal included factors, like an IEP, that aren’t applicable for the Lafayette kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s private DC preschool, 1/3 of the children would be pushed into 1st after preschool if this rule is applied broadly. Anyone know what the principals/registrars at Key, Mann, Stoddert and Hyde are actually doing in these situations ?

I’m part of the PTO at a DCPS elementary school and our principal indicated that they have absolutely no discretion on this. As in, the computers do not give them the option to deviate.

A family that had enrolled their redshirted kid in K at our school for 25-26 after winning the lottery was notified by MySchoolDC that they would have to enroll in 1st instead. But they spoke to the principal who has confirmed the K enrollment will stand. So there must be some discretion.

I actually find it hard to believe the lottery spot wasn’t rescinded. I could then accidentally say my kid was applying for fourth grade or something which might be easier to get a lottery spot then when the school says you clicked the wrong grade I get a spot in K at that school? Seems fishy.

[Anonymous]

This kid is coming from Pk4 at another DCPS where they were permitted to redshirt (but no IEP). Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Families should leave DCPS

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/early-childhood/maryland-redshirting-kindergarten-E3477RWX6ZA7HHBSY3J3UD7IEU/

No one has a gun to your head. But while DCPS is flawed, I think contrary to your belief this is not an issue for most parents. And in fact I think a lot of people see this as something DCPS gets right.

Now I think there should be less social promotion in later grades, but frankly even that NYT article says redshirting for the sake of boys is really something that's beneficial in older grades. It's the early test scores that are improved by kindergarten redshirting not the social emotional well being.

If kids aren't prepared to go to K, maybe we should be looking at what we are doing as a culture, parents, educators and our preschools. We have a young for the grade child with a fall birthday who had delays. Knowing that we got help starting at 18 months and did it intensively through ES. We picked more academically focused preschools to make sure our child had the academic and social skills needed. If my developmentally delayed (significant) 4-year-old, almost 5 could go on time, why can't kids with no identified special needs? If anything, the structure of school and academics helped with the developmental delays. This is a poor reflection on preschools if they are not preparing kids, especially the private ones. This is a poor reflection on parents if they don't teach their kids the basic skills to be in a classroom by age 5 or work with them on basic academics if their preschools aren't. If a kid has learning disabilities, starting them at 6 or later is a bad idea as they miss out of a year of remediation and support. The older a child is, the harder it is to remediate and they are behind their peers and a year older which impacts self-esteem.

+1. My late July boy with an IEP went on time and it was probably his best year in school. He learned an incredible amount. DCPS purposefully keeps K class sizes small (20-25) and has a full time aide in each class; and they invest in a strong phonics curriculum. A parent who claims their non-SN isn’t “ready” is just being obtuse or maybe thinks their privileged child is too precious to actually have to learn to read and write at 5. I have some empathy for undiagnosed SN kids that start K with no IEP - but that’s why it is good to be on top of it. An affluent Lafayette family has no excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This kid is coming from Pk4 at another DCPS where they were permitted to redshirt (but no IEP). Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know.

Yeah that should make a difference. I don’t have the regs/policy in front of me; but the way I recall it works is that you are promoted to the next grade after finishing the prior grade (assuming standards are met for promotion). So if the child was properly retained in PK4 in a DCPS then promotion would be to K.

Which again illustrates the point that if these Lafayette families actually believed their children needed to be retained they needed to do that in a formal way prior to K, such as enrolling them in a charter with a PK program and retaining them there prior to K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m new to the post. Redshirting should be illegal. Kids are 10 in my child’s 3rd grade class while some are 8.

Montessori classes have a three year age spread in all classes. It's not the disaster some of you are making it out to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This kid is coming from Pk4 at another DCPS where they were permitted to redshirt (but no IEP). Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know.

Of course that makes a difference. They are already in DCPS as PK4, so the next DCPS grade is K. Question is not about why they’re able to enter K now; it’s why they were able to enter PK4 as a 5 year old. Without more facts, we don’t know. But it says nothing about kindergarten redshirting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kid is coming from Pk4 at another DCPS where they were permitted to redshirt (but no IEP). Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know.

Of course that makes a difference. They are already in DCPS as PK4, so the next DCPS grade is K. Question is not about why they’re able to enter K now; it’s why they were able to enter PK4 as a 5 year old. Without more facts, we don’t know. But it says nothing about kindergarten redshirting.

And nothing about redshirting when coming into DCPS

[Anonymous]

Does this mean the average age of an STA grad is going to be 6 months older than a JR grad? Is this already the case. I know so many BVR boys who were redshirted by this standard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this mean the average age of an STA grad is going to be 6 months older than a JR grad? Is this already the case. I know so many BVR boys who were redshirted by this standard

Yes, but the JR grads are winning because anonymous people know, care, compare and judge some kids for being entire months older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this mean the average age of an STA grad is going to be 6 months older than a JR grad? Is this already the case. I know so many BVR boys who were redshirted by this standard

Yes, but the JR grads are winning because anonymous people know, care, compare and judge some kids for being entire months older.

Meh. I know a privileged private school kid who graduated at 20 and turned 21 in his freshman year of college. He was redshirted and then had to repeat a year after he got kicked out for bad behavior and switched to an easier school. Yes I judged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this mean the average age of an STA grad is going to be 6 months older than a JR grad? Is this already the case. I know so many BVR boys who were redshirted by this standard

Yes, but the JR grads are winning because anonymous people know, care, compare and judge some kids for being entire months older.

Meh. I know a privileged private school kid who graduated at 20 and turned 21 in his freshman year of college. He was redshirted and then had to repeat a year after he got kicked out for bad behavior and switched to an easier school. Yes I judged.

I knew a JR grad who got kicked out of college for theft. Your point?