I support giving permanent status for DACA recipients only if...

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Anonymous wrote:If we're going to be intellectually honest about this debate, we should remember that "they should go back to their home country" or "I want them gone" or "get them out" = Deportation Force with Elian Gonzalez style raids and apprehensions and transportation costs back to wherever. We should factor in the full cost of a Deportation Force against the public resources being used by DACA kids. Is it worth the cost?

There's a middle ground between Elian Gonzalez raids (and let's face it, the DACA "kids" are adults so no comparison) and a path to citizenship, where they can vote and love off government assistance programs.

I say....permanent legal residence, but.....no vote, no benefits.

I'd also like to see the anchor baby law amended, since it has been perverted beyond its original intention. (Had to do with slaves brought here against their will, and the children born here.) No way was it intended for poor, uneducated people to enter the country illegally, push out a few kids, and get them all on food stamps and other benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:If we're going to be intellectually honest about this debate, we should remember that "they should go back to their home country" or "I want them gone" or "get them out" = Deportation Force with Elian Gonzalez style raids and apprehensions and transportation costs back to wherever. We should factor in the full cost of a Deportation Force against the public resources being used by DACA kids. Is it worth the cost?

Well, since DACA are adding to our economy, not taking away from it, any resource spent on them to deport is a net negative to the bottom line. But, since the GOP seems to think blowing $1.5T in the debt to give billionaires a tax cut is ok, then wasting money on this is fine too.

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Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

That is all already built in. Glad you're on board

OP here...I believe 1 and 2 are but not 3.

“Chain migration” is such a bullshit, GOP made-up concept — yet another way scare white people afraid of the brownification of America.

This BS term is their spin on family sponsorship, which is ALREADY incredibly expensive, protracted and arduous. You can’t just tell the government you want your family here, and then they say GREAT! and it’s done. The process takes years (exact length depends on country of origin and family relation), requires all the usual background checks, etc — and then the petitioner has to be able to demonstrate financial ability to sponsor the family member in case s/he cannot work.

Immigrant families with loved ones back home often send money back home in order to protect and support these family members over the years.

So: either stop the efforts to say we’re a country of family values, and support keeping families together; OR admit we don’t give a shit about brown families and drop the outrage over immigrants sending money back home. But either way, don’t play this BS game where the GOP is worried about this phenomenon that already doesn’t exist. I don’t know of any multimillionaire DACA recipents able to petition for all of their cousins.

OP here...this isn't true. I know for a fact because I have family who sponsored their parents who are elderly. They come here and obtain their green cards and are able to apply for public assistance. They are on medicaid, and live in assisted living, go to government sponsored adult daycares all at the taxpayers expense. This is also happening all over my Potomac neighborhood. The adult children sponsor their parents who had already transferred all their own savings to the adult kids so on paper they are poor. They can then apply for medicaid (sometimes with a wait) and go to adult daycare centers, get taxi allowances, etc. All those buses you see with Asian characters that say adult daycare are running around getting these folks. BTW, just because on paper it says the adult children are promising financial support for their parents when they applied, it is never enforced. This is the same for siblings only for siblings, it is a longer wait. My parents sponsored a sibling over and it was a 10 year wait. However, once the siblings are here, they can apply for green card and a few years later apply for public assistance (as long as they are elderly). I am totally against this and believe our taxes should be helping those that truly need help, not those hiding their own savings so they can benefit from taxpayers money.

I'm an immigrant too and I agree what you are saying . I have seen it plenty of free-loaders. American immigration system is broken and whatever the laws we have it is not enforced ,most of them. Most Americans are sleeping and don't care to know.

i am an immigrant as well and never got anything for free nor brought any family. however my nanny who was also an immigrant brought a bunch of relatives (adult children who brought spouses etc) and I was amazed at all the free godina she was somehow getting. that women knew everything and where to get it. she was very savvy while I, a phd, had no idea of the possibilities. you really need ground-level knowledge to understand how immigration actually works.

Immigrants cannot bring married adult children. Only citizens can and the wait is long, so forgive me if I doubt the veracity of this claim. -someone with extensive ground-level knowledge of immigration.

they were not married at the time they came in. but they married, Ethiopians of course, and brought them.

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Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

That is all already built in. Glad you're on board

OP here...I believe 1 and 2 are but not 3.

“Chain migration” is such a bullshit, GOP made-up concept — yet another way scare white people afraid of the brownification of America.

This BS term is their spin on family sponsorship, which is ALREADY incredibly expensive, protracted and arduous. You can’t just tell the government you want your family here, and then they say GREAT! and it’s done. The process takes years (exact length depends on country of origin and family relation), requires all the usual background checks, etc — and then the petitioner has to be able to demonstrate financial ability to sponsor the family member in case s/he cannot work.

Immigrant families with loved ones back home often send money back home in order to protect and support these family members over the years.

So: either stop the efforts to say we’re a country of family values, and support keeping families together; OR admit we don’t give a shit about brown families and drop the outrage over immigrants sending money back home. But either way, don’t play this BS game where the GOP is worried about this phenomenon that already doesn’t exist. I don’t know of any multimillionaire DACA recipents able to petition for all of their cousins.

OP here...this isn't true. I know for a fact because I have family who sponsored their parents who are elderly. They come here and obtain their green cards and are able to apply for public assistance. They are on medicaid, and live in assisted living, go to government sponsored adult daycares all at the taxpayers expense. This is also happening all over my Potomac neighborhood. The adult children sponsor their parents who had already transferred all their own savings to the adult kids so on paper they are poor. They can then apply for medicaid (sometimes with a wait) and go to adult daycare centers, get taxi allowances, etc. All those buses you see with Asian characters that say adult daycare are running around getting these folks. BTW, just because on paper it says the adult children are promising financial support for their parents when they applied, it is never enforced. This is the same for siblings only for siblings, it is a longer wait. My parents sponsored a sibling over and it was a 10 year wait. However, once the siblings are here, they can apply for green card and a few years later apply for public assistance (as long as they are elderly). I am totally against this and believe our taxes should be helping those that truly need help, not those hiding their own savings so they can benefit from taxpayers money.

yes but PP read an article in vox so she is an expert on immigration

No, it’s because I actually worked on immigration policy.

Straw man. Your “anecdotes” are likely not accurate, but even if they are, are far from a reflection of reality of family sponsorship. It takes years, decades to bring a relative here, and tens of thousands of dollars. The process for sponsorship is as exactly as I described it. Even the word “chain” implies there’s link after link, when the reality is that most families aren’t ever able to sponsor a relative, let alone two.

But since we’re evidently going to based this debate on anecdotes via an anonymous bulletin board, here’s one: when I was a kid, my mother attempted to sponsor her sister, and finally gave up hope on the idea by the time I was in college.

what you don't seem to understand is that while immigration laws might not have changed much the practice is completely different now. I believe you your mother couldn't bring her sister. I wrote previously that illegal immigrants under clinton lived in constant fear. Yet now that is somehow unacceptable. We are supposed to feel sorry for peolple who chose "to live in fear" - a fear that is many time smaller than just twio decades ago. Today there are illegal immigrants writing OPeds for newspapers - or at least there were until recently. That was unimaginable under clinton.

Same for chain migration. On paper the rules might not have changed but your relatives come here on visa, over stay while the paperworks starts and eventually get legalized. It doesn't really make that much difference that they are not legal immediately.

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Send the allll back and have them wait and in line.
When their number comes up, they are eligible fir a visa. Never a green card or citizenship and without any chain migration benefits.

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Only an idiot would look at the US, with its aging population and declining birth rates, and think, “yeah, let’s stop immigration, that’s the ticket!”

Talk about shithole countries....

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Anonymous wrote:Only an idiot would look at the US, with its aging population and declining birth rates, and think, “yeah, let’s stop immigration, that’s the ticket!”

Talk about shithole countries....

It's beyond your intellectual capacity to recognize the difference between legal and illegal immigration, isn't' it?

The main reason why Trump was elected is to address low skill/low education/illegal immigration. And he is doing exactly what he promised. And he gets great people's support for it.

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Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

That is all already built in. Glad you're on board

I'd be happy to keep the DACA kids who have college degrees or have joined the military. According to thus report about 4% have college degrees: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/profile-current-daca-recipients-education-industry-and-occupation

Why, because you think they are worthless takers and aren't contributing if they don't have a degree or haven't served in the military?

Well nearly 65% of Americans don't have degrees and 99% of Americans never served in the military. Congratulations on insulting a majority of regular Americans when you tried insulting DACA kids.

Also - the Republicans' aim is to deport them before they even have a chance to serve in the military or get through college.

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Why to conservatives consistently suck at political cartoons?

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Anonymous wrote:1) They have no prior criminal convictions

2) They are either pursuing education or has a job and not relying on public assistance

3) Chain immigration is ended for everyone except those bringing over minor dependents.

What about you? Do you support giving permanent status and under what conditions?

Just to make sure I understand - you want people to be able to bring over kids but not spouses?

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Anonymous wrote:Only an idiot would look at the US, with its aging population and declining birth rates, and think, “yeah, let’s stop immigration, that’s the ticket!”

Talk about shithole countries....

or workers that have been replaced by H1Bs.

get a real job kid. not your ivy league lawyer crap.

no more immigration. let the wages for low skilled labor increase.

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Anonymous wrote:Only an idiot would look at the US, with its aging population and declining birth rates, and think, “yeah, let’s stop immigration, that’s the ticket!”

Talk about shithole countries....

this is what you want kid?

more double dipping H1Bs??

scams shut it down!

Today's example of double-dipping in the immigration field involves a low-ranking university in the Virginia suburbs of Washington. It is one of the four such educational entities with remarkable profit margins that we reported on recently. Virginia International University (VIU) is also part of the Gulen network of schools that is said to siphon off educational funds into the politics of Turkey, as noted earlier. This is the conservative (but non-violent) Islamic cult that revolves around a self-exiled Turkish cleric, Fethtullah Gulen, who lives in rural Pennsylvania.

VIU's bread and butter is the foreign student trade; it would quickly go out of business if it were not able to issue the paperwork that leads to F-1 visas (as it can at the moment ). So that's the first and most obvious dip. But that is not enough for VIU; like some other compromised colleges, it also makes extensive use of the H-1B program.

https://cis.org/North/Double-Dipping-H1Bs-Virginia-International-University

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H1Bs are needed because there are not qualified US workers that can be "student event planners" They must be imported from Turkey.


There are two alternative theories to the "skills shortage" hokum of why there is this much usage of the H-1B program by VIU.

One is that the Gulen cult is using the H-1B program to bring over its friends and followers to help build that organization; other reports have shown that Gulen schools coerce their Turkish staff members, but not the American ones, to contribute substantial chunks of money to other Gulen organizations. We have no proof of that with VIU.

The other likely theory is that VIU, and the charter schools that make up most of the Gulen movement in the States, are using the lax rules of the H-1B system to bring in relatives and friends from Turkey, as another form of chain migration. These two theories do not conflict with each other.

But then again, maybe in Virginia there is no one qualified to be a "student event planner", and such people have to be brought in from Istanbul or Ankara.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, sorry.

Reagan agreed to amnesty with tightening up avenues of illegal immigration. The amnesty happened. Enforcement didn't. Why should anyone believe there will be enforcement in the future without there being teeth to it?

We've already had the amnesty. It happened 30 years ago. It's time for the enforcement. All amnesty did under Reagan was cause more people to come here illegally, taking a chance they'd get to stay. Cutting them a break will lead to more illegal aliens. Enforcement should happen quickly.

I agree Reagan was a ch a whisy washy wimp. Why do conservatives keep propping him up on a pedestal?? Tired of it already.