Does ISIS have a right to be pissed off?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Let's see... sit around poor and disaffected in Europe ,N. Africa, some overlooked central Asian country or build an EMPIRE with me on top? hmmm. if I'm a young man between 15 and 35... OH, and I can scoop up a Yazidi bride whose husband I've just beheaded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Well that s a long long way from half.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Well that s a long long way from half.

I'm not the person who said "half the people", but that's obviously a figure of expression. And I do think hundreds of Europeans in a group like this is shocking and hugely problematic, especially given the ease with which Europeans can come to the U.S.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think, after America was SAVAGELY and PITILESSLY ATTACKED on 9/11, we made some hard choices. Based on what we knew at the time and Saddams cagey behavior and refusal to abide by agreements of HIS DEFEAT which led us to strongly suspect WMDs and our continued vulnerability, we attacked. Saddam now appears almost quaint in his role of 'brutal dictator', and we now know his cagey behavior was due to fear that Iran would see him as weak, and I agree -- we needed far better analysis from our CIA. We were let down a lot by our intelligence gathering at that time period, which I would guess was a systems thing-not due to lacking capable men and women doing the hard work. Many of us hoped that Iraqis would rise up as say, Eastern Europe did when freed from the Russian boot, dance in the street and carry on. We were naïve, and learned that Saddam was holding together with his iron fist groups of people who basically hated each other. Still, the Kurds are DEFINITELY better off and quite good role models. and we were making political process with the rest of the country. Then our President jumped at the opportunity to up and leave with nothing to support a continued transformation to greater stability and progress as a healthy nation. Simultaneously, we did not support moderate resistance to Assad. ISIS filed the vacuum in both countries. No, I do not feel badly for what we did in Iraq overall given that we did not have the benefit of 50/50 hindsight. Given what has transpired since, I feel badly for what we DIDN'T do to support the country as the facts on the ground evolved.

And this, ladies and gentlemen - this callous disregard of death and misery imposed on millions of brown civilians, coupled with our support of oppressive, backward dictators like Al-Sauds, Al-Khalifas and Al-Thanis - is, in a nutshell, at the core of why most of the Arabs who are still alive think America is a big, hypocritical bully. We shrug off millions of deaths as long as they aren't our own. We kiss the shoulders of monarchs who rape and oppress their populaces. And then we talk about democracy and human rights that simply ought to be protected in places that we'd like to control, and don't yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bush had it right . Kill them in their sandbox . Keep them busy trying to stay alive with no time to attack us here. That is the wise strategy.

Bush didn't kill them in their sandbox, and has in fact sent American troops to support one sandbox bully against another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Well that s a long long way from half.

I'm not the person who said "half the people", but that's obviously a figure of expression. And I do think hundreds of Europeans in a group like this is shocking and hugely problematic, especially given the ease with which Europeans can come to the U.S.

Fine but then obviously rap music is not the cause of ISIS, which was the logic of that poster.

The fact is that if an extremist movement starts, a limited number wackos from countries all over the world will join in. Hell, remember Jose Padilla. He was a member of the Latin Kings, and yet he got involved with Al Qaeda.

The two things we can do to avoid the problem, which we refuse to learn are:

1. Do not do things that cause extremist movements to start.
2. Where extremism starts, do not get involved unless we absolutely have to, because we then become one of their targets.

There are about 190 countries in the world, most of them peace-loving and at least a baker's dozen capable of fighting foreign wars, plus the UN umbrella. The Middle East problems don't need to be our problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Well that s a long long way from half.

I'm not the person who said "half the people", but that's obviously a figure of expression. And I do think hundreds of Europeans in a group like this is shocking and hugely problematic, especially given the ease with which Europeans can come to the U.S.

Fine but then obviously rap music is not the cause of ISIS, which was the logic of that poster.

The fact is that if an extremist movement starts, a limited number wackos from countries all over the world will join in. Hell, remember Jose Padilla. He was a member of the Latin Kings, and yet he got involved with Al Qaeda.

The two things we can do to avoid the problem, which we refuse to learn are:

1. Do not do things that cause extremist movements to start.
2. Where extremism starts, do not get involved unless we absolutely have to, because we then become one of their targets.

There are about 190 countries in the world, most of them peace-loving and at least a baker's dozen capable of fighting foreign wars, plus the UN umbrella. The Middle East problems don't need to be our problems.

I think we should blame jazz. My grandpapi says it is the root of all evil. That Kenny G, he should be blamed for all the issues in the Middle East...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Half the people in ISIS seem to be middle class kids from England and Australia, raised on rap music. Should we blame rap music?

I'd love to see your source on that.

Not addressing the raised on rap music obviously, but I am watching NBC Nightly News and they just reported that ISIS has between 7,000 and 12,000 foreign fighters, including hundreds from Europe.

Well that s a long long way from half.

I'm not the person who said "half the people", but that's obviously a figure of expression. And I do think hundreds of Europeans in a group like this is shocking and hugely problematic, especially given the ease with which Europeans can come to the U.S.

I am the rap poster. It was tongue in cheek.. Though one of the self admitted Isis terrorists is in fact a British rapper turned terrorist. The point of bringing up rap is there is a group of young second generation Muslim immigrants in France, Britain, Holland etc. Searching for an identity..they try mainstream , don't get whatever validation they seek and turn to butchery..yes, half is a figure of speech. The leadership appears to be foreign. In my booked, that counts for more than half.

Fine but then obviously rap music is not the cause of ISIS, which was the logic of that poster.

The fact is that if an extremist movement starts, a limited number wackos from countries all over the world will join in. Hell, remember Jose Padilla. He was a member of the Latin Kings, and yet he got involved with Al Qaeda.

The two things we can do to avoid the problem, which we refuse to learn are:

1. Do not do things that cause extremist movements to start.
2. Where extremism starts, do not get involved unless we absolutely have to, because we then become one of their targets.

There are about 190 countries in the world, most of them peace-loving and at least a baker's dozen capable of fighting foreign wars, plus the UN umbrella. The Middle East problems don't need to be our problems.

[Anonymous]

What does the Bible say?

From the book of John in the New Testament:

1 John 3:15 - Love One Another

"…14We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.…"

[Anonymous]

I am the rap poster. It was tongue in cheek.. Though one of the self admitted Isis terrorists is in fact a British rapper turned terrorist. The point of bringing up rap is there is a group of young second generation Muslim immigrants in France, Britain, Holland etc. Searching for an identity..they try mainstream , don't get whatever validation they seek and turn to butchery..yes, half is a figure of speech. The leadership appears to be foreign. In my booked, that counts for more than half.

[Anonymous]

I have noticed an increase in people like OP since Muslima stopped posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bush had it right . Kill them in their sandbox . Keep them busy trying to stay alive with no time to attack us here. That is the wise strategy.

I have noticed that there are a lot of people like this who are nutjobs devoid of humanity.

[Anonymous]

Short answer: No, IS has no right whatsoever to do any of the horrid things they are doing.
What kind of a question is that even?
Most of the members are not Iraqis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Short answer: No, IS has no right whatsoever to do any of the horrid things they are doing.
What kind of a question is that even?
Most of the members are not Iraqis.

I guess no one has a right to be pissed but you.

Pissed. No one said that murder and other horrid things are justified. Nice try mr. Strawman.

Take responsibility for the shit the US does around the world. I know, you don't give a shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bush had it right . Kill them in their sandbox . Keep them busy trying to stay alive with no time to attack us here. That is the wise strategy.

I have noticed that there are a lot of people like this who are nutjobs devoid of humanity.

They keep you and your family alive,