Poor American kids in Florida to take immigrant jobs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no limit to how low these MAGAS will go.

Unbelievable , asking high school freshman to work full time hours and overnight shifts, while school is in session and on school nights, and high school juniors to do so with no breaks.

Ah, the inhumanity !

FIFY.

As has been said, you want to argue about the value of part time, ends at a reasonable hour or full time school break/ seasonal work, take it the parenting teens board. This about high school freshman being allowed working 6pm to 6am in a meat packing plant (not inspected by the now dismantled OSHA) on school nights. Now, if any DCUM UMC parents want to defend this specific practice and say they’d be fine with it for their kid, go for it. But stop with the “my kids always worked a few hours a week (except during baseball season) in a safe job that didn’t interfere with sleep or homework and that’s the same thing as overnight shifts in under conditions where most American adults refuse to work” BS. You know that this law isn’t about your 15-17 year old’s part time weekend and evening strip mall gig, which is already legal in Florida. And if you don’t, FFS read the OP.

You can’t defend the actual law (vs the already legal PT normal teen job your kid does) because it’s indefensible. So, you’re trying to pretend the law isn’t as awful as it is. You know what though? It’s okay to say on an anonymous forum that (1) you don’t GAF because it will never hurt your kid or (2) yes, this will hurt many kids and Ron DeSantis is special sort of awful for putting already vulnerable kids in this position. No one in MAGA world will know you didn’t march in lockstep here. So, be intellectually honest for once and quit conflating two totally different situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teen wanted to work over the summer, but foreign Eastern European temp workers took all the jobs.

Did he want to work overnight with no breaks on school nights?

Also, where are you located? Everywhere in FFX is advertising for lifeguards right now. Never met an “Eastern European temp worker” in that role…

Every single one of the lifeguards at my parents’ building in NOVA for the past 20 years has been a temporary European worker. Year after year.

(I’m not against it, just providing some anecdata.)

And I know for a fact that those eastern European workers at my pool are not minors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

The homeschool piece makes it worse, not better. First, it means parents of kids in actual schools will have their kids drop out and be “home schooled” so they can work. (And who are we kidding, if you are willing to have your 14 year old work overnight shifts, you are doing so because you are desperate and lack the income, education and /or judgement to actually provide any education at home. And two, your kid is no longer being seen by mandatory reporters of child abuse and neglect (that is teachers) while they are being asked to do jobs so bad that adults won’t take them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Boy those goal posts that you're moving must be heavy.

Again... Federal labor laws prohibit 14 year olds from working more than a certain number of hours per day and week. It also prohibits them from working in certain dangerous jobs.

[Anonymous]

Don't teen babysitters work overnight already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Boy those goal posts that you're moving must be heavy.

Again... Federal labor laws prohibit 14 year olds from working more than a certain number of hours per day and week. It also prohibits them from working in certain dangerous jobs.

Except, everyone who enforces federal labors laws has been fired. Remember?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't teen babysitters work overnight already?

You’d trust a 14 year old to watch your kids overnight? In Fairfax County, it’s not legal to leave your own kid alone overnight until they are 16.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't teen babysitters work overnight already?

You’d trust a 14 year old to watch your kids overnight? In Fairfax County, it’s not legal to leave your own kid alone overnight until they are 16.

Is it legal in Fairfax County to let your kids be out unsupervised at night?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Boy those goal posts that you're moving must be heavy.

Again... Federal labor laws prohibit 14 year olds from working more than a certain number of hours per day and week. It also prohibits them from working in certain dangerous jobs.

Except, everyone who enforces federal labors laws has been fired. Remember?

No more paid federal watchdogs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't teen babysitters work overnight already?

Is babysitting a regulated industry where safe workplace rules apply? I don't think so. It doesn't have "shifts."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Honestly, people in this thread and others today are so dumb. Just the way MAGA likes their voters.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Honestly, people in this thread and others today are so dumb. Just the way MAGA likes their voters.

+1

All fine with kids going out unsupervised at night and getting into trouble, immature brains and all, but the horror if they have a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Honestly, people in this thread and others today are so dumb. Just the way MAGA likes their voters.

+1

All fine with kids going out unsupervised at night and getting into trouble, immature brains and all, but the horror if they have a job.

You're being deliberately obtuse, because there is no defending it. This law is about allowing 8th graders to work full time graveyard shifts on school nights, the kind of jobs immigrants used to do, because they can't find adults willing to do it. It's about exploiting poor and vulnerable kids. It's not about baby sitting or part time jobs at the mall, which the kids are already allowed to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law would apply to HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN ONLY. Look it up.

In that case, I see nothing wrong with it, though I would not allow my own kids to work overnights.

I worked 15-20 hours a week starting at 16 (and usually more in the summers). I balanced school, a school sport, marching band, and my PT job as a grocery store cashier just fine. It was good for me (taught me great time management skills) and I needed the money to help pay for upcoming college expenses.

Are you dense? No one is talking about the merits of teenagers having jobs. They are talking about rolling back worker protections and allowing 14 year olds to work oversight, leaving them open to the predation and danger that happens when you work at jobs at 1 am.

Honestly, people in this thread and others today are so dumb. Just the way MAGA likes their voters.

+1

I can’t believe all stupid people in this thread defending this $&it. These jobs will be taken mostly by low income POC. Specifically girls. But of course this would never affect the DCUM crowd because they would never allow their kids to do this, or be in a position forced to do this. And the fact that so many don’t see the trickle down effect is astounding. I thought this country cared about its children? This sad. Set aside the work part, are you also okay with kids not getting a break to eat during an 8 hour shift? Most of you would quit jobs if they don’t allow coffee runs while on the clock.


Example of the trickle down. In Memphis Tn, FedEx during the mid 80s, started hiring college students during the Christmas season to sort millions of packages on the overnight 10pm to 6am shift, the pay was significantly above minimum wage. Back then they also offered about $500 a year for tuition reimbursement, so it was a great recruiting tool. As FedEx grew, they started hiring students to work year around. The University of Memphis (Memphis State) had over 22% students of color (meaning African American) drop out after only working for FedEx for 8 months, 17% decrease in college applications from Memphis area AA high school students. Understandably, most are now 18, and can decide for themselves, but most came from low income families that needed them to contribute to their household. Instead of attempting to get an education/complete their education, they started working for FEDEX because it paid good money. It took Memphis nearly 20 (around 2003) years to recover from this deficit and get the percentages back up to where they were in the 1980’s regarding college applications from families making less than $30,000 annually (including non-POC families). Even with high paying jobs from FEDEX and UPS, Memphis consistently ranks in the top 5 for violent crime. Now of course FEDEX wasn’t the main factor in these drops, and I’m not blaming FEDEX at all. (My mother worked there for over 30 years, actually worked for Fred Smith in the early years.)And of course I’m probably leaving out nuances from the study conducted by U of M, but it clearly laid out when lower income young adults, especially AA males, joined the work force from high school or while in college, they don’t go/go back to college. Thankfully, FedEx has made significant inroads in keeping the enrollment up for college student workers by better managing the shifts of that demographic and incentives to stay in school.

Saying this to say, many times when kids on the fringe start working, they often push education to the back burner because they’ve become dependent on the money.

[Anonymous]

^ please pardon the grammar errors, started getting sleepy.