S/o: Do you support murdering CEOs ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Murder is never okay.

The guy was hanging out in Hawaii for 6 months and seemed to find plenty of time to go to a gym.

It appears the shooter had mental illness.

What if it’s Bin Laden? Or Hitler? Or even Jordan Neely? Where on the spectrum of “bad person” does it suddenly become okay to kill?

Obviously CEO is not on the same level as Hitler, but he was responsible for suffering and death. At what point does it become acceptable?

I think most people see the nuance that not all killing is bad/wrong. Self defense is okay. Killing enemies is okay. At what point would Brian have crossed the line into it being self defense or to take out an enemy?

[Anonymous]

Slaughtering families in Korea, Germany, Vietnam, Middle East, Libya, Ukraine and Russia = good!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

You can’t murder people either to get your way. Back to the drawing board

And yet murdering entire classrooms of 7 year olds also doesn't change anything because of corporate and special interest lobbying.

Just bend over and take it, whether it is from uncontrollable gun violence to healthcare CEOs milling people en masse.

Come up with a new idea since all the others aren’t working. It’s not up to others to solve your problems. Be the change.

Why don't you ask the founders of the country how they enacted change to escape from oppressive taxation under a government they had no say in?

Oh yeah, that's right, they started an entire war over it and killed British oppressors.

You sound like a lobbyist who earns a living undermining our democracy so that your corporate overlords can buy their 5th yacht.

Yea, the whole country was founded on killing the British as well as indigenous people. For “freedom” lol.

The US has always been a violent place. We refuse to do anything about gun violence. We start new wars constantly. We exploit other countries for cheap labor, including children.

Not really sure what people expect. We’re not a peaceful country.

[Anonymous]

No

Shooter was a spoiled rich kid radicalized at college.

[Anonymous]

I am only just learning about Taylor Lorenz, that woman is unhinged. The Washington Post employs her?! They need to rethink that.

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Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

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I think original pp is asking how do you fight for real change, especially when you are up against a monolith like the American healthcare industry, not saying she thinks murdering the CEO is the right way.

So what are your suggestions?

I am the OP.

I share Jeff’s shock at the number of people who feel (take your pick): approve, support, show joy, express feelings victory, encouraged, “understand” (tacitly approve), in response to this:

- cold blooded murder. That is why I started this thread.

In the case of Luigi, he appears to have been in an excellent position to have worked for peaceful change, because:

- public Ivy grad

- clearly intelligent (valedictorian @ Gilman)

- close family member already in politics

- family connected with the assisted living industry (often paid by benefits affected by the ACA).

To me, Luigi had all the tools at his disposal to peacefully effect meaningful change, but he chose murder instead. He might have had a mental health breakdown in the late summer / Fall.

But I cannot find any excuse for the, presumably-sane, responders on DCUMAD who support violence to address the issues they see with CEOs in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this kind of behavior (murdering someone in cold blood) is acceptable and are actually "celebrating" it, are the epitome of what is wrong with society. All life is sacred, even this deranged individual who took the life of another. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.

The shooter’s life is sacred, too. Sounds like he had a mental breakdown and wasn’t fully in control of his actions whereas the CEO of the health care company knew exactly what he was doing when he sold his stocks at the expense of a pension fund or his company employed AI to deny claims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

NP

I think original pp is asking how do you fight for real change, especially when you are up against a monolith like the American healthcare industry, not saying she thinks murdering the CEO is the right way.

So what are your suggestions?

I am the OP.

I share Jeff’s shock at the number of people who feel (take your pick): approve, support, show joy, express feelings victory, encouraged, “understand” (tacitly approve), in response to this:

- cold blooded murder. That is why I started this thread.

In the case of Luigi, he appears to have been in an excellent position to have worked for peaceful change, because:

- public Ivy grad

- clearly intelligent (valedictorian @ Gilman)

- close family member already in politics

- family connected with the assisted living industry (often paid by benefits affected by the ACA).

To me, Luigi had all the tools at his disposal to peacefully effect meaningful change, but he chose murder instead. He might have had a mental health breakdown in the late summer / Fall.

But I cannot find any excuse for the, presumably-sane, responders on DCUMAD who support violence to address the issues they see with CEOs in the USA.

Of course what he did was appalling. He should be put on trial. So should CEOs whose policies lead to death, bodily harm and pain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Slaughtering families in Korea, Germany, Vietnam, Middle East, Libya, Ukraine and Russia = good!

Yet Josh Shapiro joined the IDF to kill Palestinians for their land??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Murder is never okay.

The guy was hanging out in Hawaii for 6 months and seemed to find plenty of time to go to a gym.

It appears the shooter had mental illness.

What if it’s Bin Laden? Or Hitler? Or even Jordan Neely? Where on the spectrum of “bad person” does it suddenly become okay to kill?

Obviously CEO is not on the same level as Hitler, but he was responsible for suffering and death. At what point does it become acceptable?

I think most people see the nuance that not all killing is bad/wrong. Self defense is okay. Killing enemies is okay. At what point would Brian have crossed the line into it being self defense or to take out an enemy?

This line you are talking about.
Even if it's crossed, bring them to trial. Don't lump him in with bin laden.

[Anonymous]

No. But I'm also not going to spend time mourning a bad person whose policy decisions harmed many.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

NP

I think original pp is asking how do you fight for real change, especially when you are up against a monolith like the American healthcare industry, not saying she thinks murdering the CEO is the right way.

So what are your suggestions?

I am the OP.

I share Jeff’s shock at the number of people who feel (take your pick): approve, support, show joy, express feelings victory, encouraged, “understand” (tacitly approve), in response to this:

- cold blooded murder. That is why I started this thread.

In the case of Luigi, he appears to have been in an excellent position to have worked for peaceful change, because:

- public Ivy grad

- clearly intelligent (valedictorian @ Gilman)

- close family member already in politics

- family connected with the assisted living industry (often paid by benefits affected by the ACA).

To me, Luigi had all the tools at his disposal to peacefully effect meaningful change, but he chose murder instead. He might have had a mental health breakdown in the late summer / Fall.

But I cannot find any excuse for the, presumably-sane, responders on DCUMAD who support violence to address the issues they see with CEOs in the USA.

I think this is a very naive take. Murder is obviously not the solution or justified, and what happened was really the result of a total breakdown on this young man's part. Setting that aside, no young person, however well-connected and equipped as you say, is going to change healthcare in this country. There are already many people with more appropriate degrees and bright intellects already in politics trying to enact change, unsuccessfully. The industry is too powerful and the profits too great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Change the question.

Why do you support CEOs killing people every day with their business decisions? Just because it is legal?

How much suffering did wall street bankers impose in the country after 2008 that require us all to collectively bail them out? How much suffering do healthcare exec inflict in thousands of people per day? When the high and nightly inflict suffering they are never punished for their crimes. They are rewarded for it with taxpayer bailouts, higher stock prices, and bigger paychecks.

You're asking the wrong question. Why do you support CEO malfeasance?

Sure ask thst question

Fight for real change which will not happen just by killing a CEO. Only stupid people think that way.

For large organizations, these guys are just as interchangeable. I'm sure there is an acting CEO who took over that guys work.

But this is un-American. Everyone is entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers

Maybe that doesn't matter anymore in this new America

So how do you suppose we change things then? American citizens cannot change the govt because citizens United has given unlimited buying and lobbying power to corporations and special interest groups to corrupt our government. The institutions that are supposed to regulate these businesses have also been captured.

So please tell us all how we are supposed to change this corporate oppression when we can't democratically elect officials to change laws since they're all bought by corporations or are blocked from doing so because of citizens United.

I see

So you think this is the way? It isn't. They guys can afford top security if they think they need it. Nothing changes because of this. Meanwhile you have untrained people running around with guns. Would you be fine if he missed and hit the guy behind him or killed the man's kids? You debase yourself while still changing nothing

NP

I think original pp is asking how do you fight for real change, especially when you are up against a monolith like the American healthcare industry, not saying she thinks murdering the CEO is the right way.

So what are your suggestions?

I am the OP.

I share Jeff’s shock at the number of people who feel (take your pick): approve, support, show joy, express feelings victory, encouraged, “understand” (tacitly approve), in response to this:

- cold blooded murder. That is why I started this thread.

In the case of Luigi, he appears to have been in an excellent position to have worked for peaceful change, because:

- public Ivy grad

- clearly intelligent (valedictorian @ Gilman)

- close family member already in politics

- family connected with the assisted living industry (often paid by benefits affected by the ACA).

To me, Luigi had all the tools at his disposal to peacefully effect meaningful change, but he chose murder instead. He might have had a mental health breakdown in the late summer / Fall.

But I cannot find any excuse for the, presumably-sane, responders on DCUMAD who support violence to address the issues they see with CEOs in the USA.

Counterpoint is that with his front row seat to the workings of wealth and power, he knew all too well that working for change in this particular area is a pipe dream. Convince the people that it’s their fault for electing the wrong politicians, or for choosing the wrong health plan, or for not having a better job—but we all know they’re screwed regardless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The links you provided show no examples of “celebrating”. Let me ask you this - do you think these ceos celebrate deaths they caused to get that yearly bonus? Stop twisting things to fit your narrative. Nobody sane celebrates deaths but there’s plenty of cruelty to go around.

No “celebrate” ??

Ok, well Governor Josh Shapiro has characterized the response as “celebrating,” while you, PP, some internet rando idiot, challenges my use of the word “celebrating.”

I think I’m going to go with Governor Shapiro over you, dumbass.

[Anonymous]

I think it's wrong for anyone to murder or your torture as a blanket statement.

However I'd ask the question back: is the healthcare insurance industry specifically right in denying 33% of all claims based on a system (AI) that is statistically proven wrong awhile innocents have died and/or suffered immensely? If so, why have they been able to continue without reprimand?