Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not like the next POTUS can do anything about it. Congress can (but has failed to find a consensus in decades), and States can.

OP - yes states can do something about it but many southern states are going even further in the right where it is not allowed at all. Many women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, which is 4 weeks after a normal anatomy scan.

I argue with my mom (staunch pro lifer) all the time about this. She insists if women get pregnant accidentally or by rape or whatever then they should just be forced to carry the baby and give it up for adoption. What she doesn't have any empathy for is how hard it is on a woman's body when they are pregnant. My body is permanently hurt due to my 3 pregnancies. All very much wanted. But I have terrible pains and I don't think I could carry another pregnancy even if I wanted to.

I’ve never understood this argument. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that a fetus is a baby from day one, why does that mean the mother must sacrifice any portion of her body for the child if she does not want to? No one would force a mother to give a kidney to her child, even if most of us agree that she should. We also agree that it is up to the mom to choose whether to give her kidney or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Not voting for Trump, but think the hysterics (pun intended) are hyperbole. Republican women are not much different from Democrat women. I believe that reasonable policies will take place. I also believe Roe was bad precedent for ruling from the Ben h in many issues, and have asked for decades if this was so important why wasn’t it legislated or put in the constitution. Politicians should have continued to debate until there was a resolution among them.

Reasonable policies lead to Amber Thurman’s death and her young son’s being motherless.

The Supreme Court interprets the constitutionality of our laws. They’re the highest court in the land and the final authority. The SC ruled in Roe that women have the right to abortion access. After 40+ years of Roe being the law of the land, all 3 of Trump’s SC nominees said they considered it to be settled law. Why would Congress debate settled law? The people who need to explain themselves are the ones who threw out precedent they indicated was settled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Not voting for Trump, but think the hysterics (pun intended) are hyperbole. Republican women are not much different from Democrat women. I believe that reasonable policies will take place. I also believe Roe was bad precedent for ruling from the Ben h in many issues, and have asked for decades if this was so important why wasn’t it legislated or put in the constitution. Politicians should have continued to debate until there was a resolution among them.

Reasonable policies lead to Amber Thurman’s death and her young son’s being motherless.

The Supreme Court interprets the constitutionality of our laws. They’re the highest court in the land and the final authority. The SC ruled in Roe that women have the right to abortion access. After 40+ years of Roe being the law of the land, all 3 of Trump’s SC nominees said they considered it to be settled law. Why would Congress debate settled law? The people who need to explain themselves are the ones who threw out precedent they indicated was settled.

They don't have to explain themselves. They are happy with the changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not like the next POTUS can do anything about it. Congress can (but has failed to find a consensus in decades), and States can.

OP - yes states can do something about it but many southern states are going even further in the right where it is not allowed at all. Many women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, which is 4 weeks after a normal anatomy scan.

I argue with my mom (staunch pro lifer) all the time about this. She insists if women get pregnant accidentally or by rape or whatever then they should just be forced to carry the baby and give it up for adoption. What she doesn't have any empathy for is how hard it is on a woman's body when they are pregnant. My body is permanently hurt due to my 3 pregnancies. All very much wanted. But I have terrible pains and I don't think I could carry another pregnancy even if I wanted to.

I’ve never understood this argument. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that a fetus is a baby from day one, why does that mean the mother must sacrifice any portion of her body for the child if she does not want to? No one would force a mother to give a kidney to her child, even if most of us agree that she should. We also agree that it is up to the mom to choose whether to give her kidney or not.

Just because you don’t understand a position you don't agree with doesn't mean it is not valid. People do have different opinions than you. This happens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elective abortion is murder. Call it what you want to cover the fact, but that's the fact.
Thank your moms for not making this choice.

Get ready to incarcerate 20 percent of the women in this country including millions of moms. Good bye to your relatives, friends, neighbors and community members.

You go after the abortionist not the woman. This isn’t rocket science.

Well there it is. That is the beginning of the destruction of maternal health care systems in the abortion ban states.

In any case, then Trump is not your man because he is on the record saying that there has to be punishment for the woman.

[Anonymous]

I don’t consider myself a single issue voter, but abortion access is weighing very heavily on me during this election. I’ve never had an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy or needed to terminate a wanted pregnancy, but I know how dangerous pregnancy and childbirth are, and I know the sacrifices involved in parenting and I think abortion restrictions are very detrimental. I consider myself lucky that my candidate of choice aligns with my positions on abortion and most other issues, so I don’t have to vote based on abortion alone. If that wasn’t the case, I’m not sure what I’d do.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Tell me you know nothing about women’s health without…wait, you did tell me!

It’s not a new spin. Heretofore, care for all facets of women’s reproductive health wasn’t up for policing by lay folks. Simply because you are now only hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s “new.”

Calling people who disagree with you stupid and ignorant will never accomplish what you want it to accomplish. We will never say, yes you are right, I am so dumb thank you for setting me straight. I stand by the post you are responding to by the way.

You simply cannot impose your will on women and force them to give birth. You can try and succeed in some cases, but you can't take away a fundamental right. This has always been the case. Abortion has been illegal before and it just drives it into the back alley. Abortion rights have actually increased after Roe was overturned.

This battle will rage on until the laws reflect that reality.

Are you a prophet? Who knows what is going to happen...I don't know, you don't know. Just because you want something really strongly doesn't mean it is inevitable.

Prophet? I'm not an idiot. Abortion has been banned before and it went into the back alley. There's no mystery here.

Women will not be forced to give birth against their will. It is simply not possible. You will succeed in a few cases but you will just not be able to win this fight. Not in the past. Not now. and not in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Not voting for Trump, but think the hysterics (pun intended) are hyperbole. Republican women are not much different from Democrat women. I believe that reasonable policies will take place. I also believe Roe was bad precedent for ruling from the Ben h in many issues, and have asked for decades if this was so important why wasn’t it legislated or put in the constitution. Politicians should have continued to debate until there was a resolution among them.

Reasonable policies lead to Amber Thurman’s death and her young son’s being motherless.

The Supreme Court interprets the constitutionality of our laws. They’re the highest court in the land and the final authority. The SC ruled in Roe that women have the right to abortion access. After 40+ years of Roe being the law of the land, all 3 of Trump’s SC nominees said they considered it to be settled law. Why would Congress debate settled law? The people who need to explain themselves are the ones who threw out precedent they indicated was settled.

They don't have to explain themselves. They are happy with the changes.

We’re owed an explanation on their shift from the position they stated under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Dobbs ruling, but I agree that we’ll never get one.

[Anonymous]

OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.

I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.

You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.

I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.

You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.

You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not like the next POTUS can do anything about it. Congress can (but has failed to find a consensus in decades), and States can.

OP - yes states can do something about it but many southern states are going even further in the right where it is not allowed at all. Many women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, which is 4 weeks after a normal anatomy scan.

I argue with my mom (staunch pro lifer) all the time about this. She insists if women get pregnant accidentally or by rape or whatever then they should just be forced to carry the baby and give it up for adoption. What she doesn't have any empathy for is how hard it is on a woman's body when they are pregnant. My body is permanently hurt due to my 3 pregnancies. All very much wanted. But I have terrible pains and I don't think I could carry another pregnancy even if I wanted to.

I’ve never understood this argument. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that a fetus is a baby from day one, why does that mean the mother must sacrifice any portion of her body for the child if she does not want to? No one would force a mother to give a kidney to her child, even if most of us agree that she should. We also agree that it is up to the mom to choose whether to give her kidney or not.

1. What "portion of her body" is the mother sacrificing?
2. There is a difference between not taking extraordinary steps to save a dying child vs proactively terminating the life of one.
3. In vast majority of cases, the mother did something to cause the pregnancy. We want to incentivize women to prevent pregnancy, not to terminate after the fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider myself a single issue voter, but abortion access is weighing very heavily on me during this election. I’ve never had an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy or needed to terminate a wanted pregnancy, but I know how dangerous pregnancy and childbirth are, and I know the sacrifices involved in parenting and I think abortion restrictions are very detrimental. I consider myself lucky that my candidate of choice aligns with my positions on abortion and most other issues, so I don’t have to vote based on abortion alone. If that wasn’t the case, I’m not sure what I’d do.

Go online and find the right recipe.

No need for a professional to dilate your canal and terminate that life for you if you act early.
Lots of people even agree with that procedure at up to 12-16 weeks.
It’s the desire to terminate a child that can survive outside the mother’s body that creeps people out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Tell me you know nothing about women’s health without…wait, you did tell me!

It’s not a new spin. Heretofore, care for all facets of women’s reproductive health wasn’t up for policing by lay folks. Simply because you are now only hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s “new.”

Calling people who disagree with you stupid and ignorant will never accomplish what you want it to accomplish. We will never say, yes you are right, I am so dumb thank you for setting me straight. I stand by the post you are responding to by the way.

You simply cannot impose your will on women and force them to give birth. You can try and succeed in some cases, but you can't take away a fundamental right. This has always been the case. Abortion has been illegal before and it just drives it into the back alley. Abortion rights have actually increased after Roe was overturned.

This battle will rage on until the laws reflect that reality.

Are you a prophet? Who knows what is going to happen...I don't know, you don't know. Just because you want something really strongly doesn't mean it is inevitable.

Prophet? I'm not an idiot. Abortion has been banned before and it went into the back alley. There's no mystery here.

Women will not be forced to give birth against their will. It is simply not possible. You will succeed in a few cases but you will just not be able to win this fight. Not in the past. Not now. and not in the future.

Most people these days don't have much principle. You are overestimating women's resolve. Sure there will be women willing to die to get their abortion but most will go with the flow. They will either keep the baby, go with adoption, or work harder to prevent pregnancy in first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.

I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.

You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.

You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.

You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.

I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.

You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.

You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.

You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.

Does the fetus get 3/5 of a vote?