DUI and Death on Harrison

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Anonymous wrote:None of your business.

He killed someone on a public street. It is very much our business. By definition. This is not a private affair.

No. You do not need to be a judgmental, invasive a$$hole every chance you get. Step off.

MYOFB.

Again, this is a public affair. You can have a seat while the grownups discuss this. You're clearly much too dimwitted to participate in the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve replied and am totally amazed at how women - fellow moms - characterize the driver as a victim. Is it a cultural shift?

When I was in HS, MADD and other groups presented to the junior and senior classes. This was when the dinosaurs roamed in the 90s, before wine culture became more diffuse, with the health arguments (resveratrol in red wine, the French paradox) contributing to us feeling like we could mature as Americans and drink in a balanced way. And then that kind of plunged into other things, wine mommies, bad art from Marshall’s about wine o’clock, etc. is it that? Because I can’t imagine the moms who loved and nurtured and corrected us when I was a teen writing some of these justifications out, hitting submit, and being like job well done.

I started the teen version of MADD at my high school back in the dinosaur times. I don’t drink.

I still think people should not automatically jump to persecuting this kid and his family without hearing what happened first. And FFS stop stalking and doxxing the family.

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We’re right back where we started circa 1989 with alcohol education, PSAs against drunk driving, the MADD lobby, etc. clearly to no avail.

What’s the excuse now? We have enlightened parents (I’m one!) who’ve said for years that should it be unsafe to go home, call/text and we’ll get you, gladly - no questions asked. Or, everyone stays overnight, no questions asked.

Now with ride shares and Uber apps, this is even more tragic. I guarantee if any of those passengers would have texted anyone in their contacts they could have gotten a safe ride home. I would have driven any of these young people home and I’m a total stranger but a mom.

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Anonymous wrote:None of your business.

He killed someone on a public street. It is very much our business. By definition. This is not a private affair.

Whether or not a teenager is on suicide, watch (as was asked) is none of your business whether or not they committed a crime on a public street.

DP. He's an adult. It's 100000% ok to speculate about adults that kill other people (and endangered many others) due to their selfish, reckless choices.

I'm so effing tired of people suggesting empathy for drunk drivers.

You have no idea what led to him being behind the wheel that night.

Normal people don’t get off on persecuting people without any facts.

A gun was pointed to his head? Please, do share your facts.

The point is we have no facts.

And some people are all ready to lynch the kid.

The only way you believe there are no facts is if you think Arlington police framed the kid. Is that what you're suggesting?

I’m suggesting that you let the police and justice system do their work before you start publicly persecuting this kid and his family.

Go find some other way to get off.

The family hire you. You’re awfully defensive. Not much to know here. Clear he broke the law and someone is dead because of it

No, I just hate judgmental a-holes.

I will “judge” every drunk driver that kills someone and you can’t convince me there’s anything wrong with that

This thread is crazy because it’s a white teen from a UMC background. It’s just a little shocking isn’t it?

Hey, maybe some of you valiant mommies should task yourselves with calling every local news affiliate and scream about how they are judgy and should be ashamed of themselves for broadcasting the mug shot.

No, there are tons of threads where sick people get off on tearing people apart before they have any facts.

Remember the family who died while hiking? The royal threads? Various political scandals?

People really do get off on judging others, facts optional.

Is there anything you see as a fact in this situation?

One kid is dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve replied and am totally amazed at how women - fellow moms - characterize the driver as a victim. Is it a cultural shift?

When I was in HS, MADD and other groups presented to the junior and senior classes. This was when the dinosaurs roamed in the 90s, before wine culture became more diffuse, with the health arguments (resveratrol in red wine, the French paradox) contributing to us feeling like we could mature as Americans and drink in a balanced way. And then that kind of plunged into other things, wine mommies, bad art from Marshall’s about wine o’clock, etc. is it that? Because I can’t imagine the moms who loved and nurtured and corrected us when I was a teen writing some of these justifications out, hitting submit, and being like job well done.

It's definitely a cultural shift, including how those moms engage with alcohol in their own lives. The casual drinking trend and wine culture has really made it much more acceptable to empathize with drinking and driving culture, including kids who pick up on their poor examples.

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Anonymous wrote:Remind your kids not to ever get in a car with a driver who has been drinking. Uber. Walk. Call your mommy.
4 people got into that car as passengers.

Yup. And wear your freaking seatbelt.

So many bad decisions that night.

It was more than 4. I know of at least one passenger who was dropped off just before they crashed. Every single person who got in that car that night made a horrible decision, not just the driver.

Exactly.

You are allowed to be drunk and a passenger in a car. It can show poor judgement of course. It is in no way on any planet with sane people analogous to driving while drunk. Come on lady.

You have no idea why that kid ended up behind the wheel vs any of the other kids.

This is the second comment like this. So the story must be he was valiantly driving as the least drunk friend in the group. Which is why he drove and then made sure everyone had a seat belt on and drove at a reasonable speed.

No, we don’t know the story.

This is like a riddle. If you are the PP, you are suggesting this is the story.

No, there are a million possibilities. We don’t know what happened.

This isn’t that deep.

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

He didn't "pass away." He was killed in a violent crash by a reckless, drunk criminal. Please don't use polite phrases like "pass away" to describe this reality. He was murdered. Killed. Unalived. Made dead.

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Anonymous wrote:Remind your kids not to ever get in a car with a driver who has been drinking. Uber. Walk. Call your mommy.
4 people got into that car as passengers.

Yup. And wear your freaking seatbelt.

So many bad decisions that night.

It was more than 4. I know of at least one passenger who was dropped off just before they crashed. Every single person who got in that car that night made a horrible decision, not just the driver.

Exactly.

You are allowed to be drunk and a passenger in a car. It can show poor judgement of course. It is in no way on any planet with sane people analogous to driving while drunk. Come on lady.

You have no idea why that kid ended up behind the wheel vs any of the other kids.

This is the second comment like this. So the story must be he was valiantly driving as the least drunk friend in the group. Which is why he drove and then made sure everyone had a seat belt on and drove at a reasonable speed.

No, we don’t know the story.

So there was no underage drinking behind the wheel? You're saying police are lying?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of your business.

He killed someone on a public street. It is very much our business. By definition. This is not a private affair.

Whether or not a teenager is on suicide, watch (as was asked) is none of your business whether or not they committed a crime on a public street.

Bullshit. I am entitled by right to know the details of this case. If he's a suicide risk and that's the reason bond is being denied, I have a right to know. You can eff right off with that bullshit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of your business.

He killed someone on a public street. It is very much our business. By definition. This is not a private affair.

Whether or not a teenager is on suicide, watch (as was asked) is none of your business whether or not they committed a crime on a public street.

Bullshit. I am entitled by right to know the details of this case. If he's a suicide risk and that's the reason bond is being denied, I have a right to know. You can eff right off with that bullshit.

No, you are not “entitled” to any of that info.

WTF is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Remind your kids not to ever get in a car with a driver who has been drinking. Uber. Walk. Call your mommy.
4 people got into that car as passengers.

Yup. And wear your freaking seatbelt.

So many bad decisions that night.

It was more than 4. I know of at least one passenger who was dropped off just before they crashed. Every single person who got in that car that night made a horrible decision, not just the driver.

What was the make of the car to have that many people?

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

Yes- basically the same age as this case--only a few months separation in age.

So turning 18 actually has legal consequences? Who knew?

Everyone.

Exactly. I don’t get why people were so upset that they treated the minor…as a minor.

That’s how it works.

It may have been the technically correct decision to try him as a minor, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why people wanted his adult conduct to be met with adult consequence, especially given that he was almost 18.

It wasn’t adult conduct, by definition. Teens can do terrible things before they turn 18, but that doesn’t generally result in their being charged as adults. In this case, the driver is legally an adult, and that has different consequences under the law.

Oh stop with your definitions.I know this case is different from a legal standpoint. I'm just talking about why many people were upset when the other almost-adult had almost no consequences. That's why in my first post I said "technically" correct. We all saw what he did, and this wasn't some little kid just using bad judgment. It wasn't even just drunk driving. It was drunk driving and deciding to speed like a maniac. It was egregious. This was an almost-man taking a stranger's life engaging in reckless conduct that goes beyond just having a drink and getting behind the wheel. That's why it felt outrageous. I'm not trying to win the argument in court - I'm talking about why people were outraged.

What was outrageous was a handful of people expecting the law to be disregarded and for a minor to be treated like an adult because the victim and his parents were from their own social circle. They tried to make it into a basis to unseat county officials who were just doing their jobs and following the law, and failed.

In this case the alleged drunk driver is legally an adult, so it will be handled differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Tell your kids never to get in any car where they can't be in a seat belt. Walk. Uber. Call your Mommy.

You can tell teens that until you are blue in the face. I'm very sure the parents did. When less than 2 miles from home----many weigh the risk..

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Anonymous wrote:We’re right back where we started circa 1989 with alcohol education, PSAs against drunk driving, the MADD lobby, etc. clearly to no avail.

What’s the excuse now? We have enlightened parents (I’m one!) who’ve said for years that should it be unsafe to go home, call/text and we’ll get you, gladly - no questions asked. Or, everyone stays overnight, no questions asked.

Now with ride shares and Uber apps, this is even more tragic. I guarantee if any of those passengers would have texted anyone in their contacts they could have gotten a safe ride home. I would have driven any of these young people home and I’m a total stranger but a mom.

Fortunately, there is way less drunk driving than there was 30 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Remind your kids not to ever get in a car with a driver who has been drinking. Uber. Walk. Call your mommy.
4 people got into that car as passengers.

Yup. And wear your freaking seatbelt.

So many bad decisions that night.

It was more than 4. I know of at least one passenger who was dropped off just before they crashed. Every single person who got in that car that night made a horrible decision, not just the driver.

Exactly.

You are allowed to be drunk and a passenger in a car. It can show poor judgement of course. It is in no way on any planet with sane people analogous to driving while drunk. Come on lady.

You have no idea why that kid ended up behind the wheel vs any of the other kids.

“He was less drunk and was being a good friend to the end, literally.”

Was it not his car?