Trump just lost Michigan

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

Base.Isn’t.Enough.

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Anonymous wrote:The CPI does not cover the cost of buying a home, only rent, and the cost of buying a home has out-paced wages in many places.

Also, when people cite the rise of wages vs inflation, they're not thinking about the actual concerns of working parents, including things like the ability to save for retirement and college.

I'm a Harris voter who gets why she is losing so many working class people. It's not that Trump is so much better, it's that the Dems keep saying they're doing so much based upon numbers that are meaningless in the day-to-day lives of so many Americans.

Or it’s that the media fails to cover Trump and the GOP’s plans to slash workers rights and end unions. I grew up in a double union household (and my siblings and spouse have been members of three others). Without union benefits my life and millions of others would be in far worse places. And it’s the GOP that opposes any power residing with the workers. They are 100% pro ownership and 100% pro scab.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to look at this the other way, will people who were going to vote for Trump consider voting for Harris? For many it’s a resounding no. And the conversation ends there.

Just like there is nothing Harris could do at this point that would make you vote for Trump.

If they don't want to vote for Harris they don't have to vote for Harris. But I can't see how anyone can, in good conscience, vote for Trump, given how clearly cognitively unfit he is to serve. A third choice would be to sit it out. They can absolutely survive Harris and will do just fine under a Harris term (sorry but the MAGA doom and gloom over a Harris term is grossly overblown), but Trump is at this point at best incoherent and at best outright malignant and likely to throw us into yet another set of completely unwarranted and unnecessary constitutional crises and other chaos far worse than his first term.

I don’t believe the country can survive Harris. Her economic and border policies have been disastrous. I am worried about my children’s future if she wins.

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What economic policies have been "disastrous"?

DP. Of Trump’s or Biden/Harris? Because we could make a long list of Trump’s policies and suggested policies that would qualify as disastrous.

Harris has never been POTUS. Biden's baggage is Biden's baggage and not her's. We are voting for a fit and qualified 59 year old instead of another four years of feeble minded old people in The White House.

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Anonymous wrote:The CPI does not cover the cost of buying a home, only rent, and the cost of buying a home has out-paced wages in many places.

Also, when people cite the rise of wages vs inflation, they're not thinking about the actual concerns of working parents, including things like the ability to save for retirement and college.

I'm a Harris voter who gets why she is losing so many working class people. It's not that Trump is so much better, it's that the Dems keep saying they're doing so much based upon numbers that are meaningless in the day-to-day lives of so many Americans.

Or it’s that the media fails to cover Trump and the GOP’s plans to slash workers rights and end unions. I grew up in a double union household (and my siblings and spouse have been members of three others). Without union benefits my life and millions of others would be in far worse places. And it’s the GOP that opposes any power residing with the workers. They are 100% pro ownership and 100% pro scab.

Unions have been dying for decades now, regardless of who's in power.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to look at this the other way, will people who were going to vote for Trump consider voting for Harris? For many it’s a resounding no. And the conversation ends there.

Just like there is nothing Harris could do at this point that would make you vote for Trump.

If they don't want to vote for Harris they don't have to vote for Harris. But I can't see how anyone can, in good conscience, vote for Trump, given how clearly cognitively unfit he is to serve. A third choice would be to sit it out. They can absolutely survive Harris and will do just fine under a Harris term (sorry but the MAGA doom and gloom over a Harris term is grossly overblown), but Trump is at this point at best incoherent and at best outright malignant and likely to throw us into yet another set of completely unwarranted and unnecessary constitutional crises and other chaos far worse than his first term.

I don’t believe the country can survive Harris. Her economic and border policies have been disastrous. I am worried about my children’s future if she wins.

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What economic policies have been "disastrous"?

DP. Of Trump’s or Biden/Harris? Because we could make a long list of Trump’s policies and suggested policies that would qualify as disastrous.

Harris has never been POTUS. Biden's baggage is Biden's baggage and not her's. We are voting for a fit and qualified 59 year old instead of another four years of feeble minded old people in The White House.

Maybe so, but Harris is not willing to separate herself enough from Biden, and that is costing her the election.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on how his base feels about his running mate.

SE Michigan, where the Big 3 (now 2?) are, usually carries the state. They will be upset but they were already reliably blue. Will have to see how much the rest of the state will sympathize with the auto workers. Western MI has some red stalwarts.

Michigan auto workers have done much better under Biden than under Trump.

And I know the conventional wisdom about western MI but it’s one of those many suburban areas that has trended hard toward Democrats ever since 2016, DeVos family be damned.

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

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Guys. He doesn’t have the numbers this time. It’s not happening.

I repeatedly point this out and…silence. The trolls have nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

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Guys. He doesn’t have the numbers this time. It’s not happening.

I repeatedly point this out and…silence. The trolls have nothing.

The trolls don't realize that most Americans are fed up with the piss poor leadership offered by elderly unfit men over the past 8 years and there is no desire for another 4 years of garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Arabs/Muslims along with 3rd parties will hand the state to Trump.

Muslims have basically nothing in common with the D party, no common beliefs or values. The only thing that the D party can offer is some kind of broad validation of their minority status, but no validation of their actual views or goals. If you look at Pew polling of Muslims, support for Ds have been declining since 2014. The only thing the left has going for it is the race hustle, but current events call the actual ROI for Muslims of that approach into question. Most people don't see themselves as being "minority" first. They see their identity as being interwoven with their beliefs and culture, and the D party isn't exactly traditional or religious.

Trump's base and the only ones that he evens makes an attempt to appeal to, are white, conservative Christians (although why a man who has violated almost every one of the Ten Commandments is their choice, I have no idea). During Trump's administration, women and minorities faced increasing disdain and violence. Trump has instigated the increase of anti-Black violence, anti-Latino violence, chauvinism, anti-Asian violence, antiSemitism, anti-LGBTQ violence and so on. Trump gave acceptance to white nationalists, white supremacists, chauvinists and Christian evangelicals so that they could openly voice their hatred and their bigotry no longer had to be hidden.

The first two years of his administration saw a rise in anti-Muslims violence and made being Muslim in America more dangerous. The number of women attacked for their Muslim clothing and head gear increased. General violence against Muslims increased. Trump is no friend to Muslims.

I'm surprised that self-preservation doesn't affect their judgment and decision. I am Asian American and I watched violence against Asians during Trump's term in office. I read articles of an elderly Asian grandma assaulted on a street corner and sent to the hospital. I know of cases even in the DC metropolitan area of Asians being targeted and attacked just for being Asian. I don't want to see this type of violence in my children's future just because there are white conservatives who feel enabled because we have a Bigot in Chief at the head of our government.

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Anonymous wrote:Arabs/Muslims along with 3rd parties will hand the state to Trump.

Muslims have basically nothing in common with the D party, no common beliefs or values. The only thing that the D party can offer is some kind of broad validation of their minority status, but no validation of their actual views or goals. If you look at Pew polling of Muslims, support for Ds have been declining since 2014. The only thing the left has going for it is the race hustle, but current events call the actual ROI for Muslims of that approach into question. Most people don't see themselves as being "minority" first. They see their identity as being interwoven with their beliefs and culture, and the D party isn't exactly traditional or religious.

Trump's base and the only ones that he evens makes an attempt to appeal to, are white, conservative Christians (although why a man who has violated almost every one of the Ten Commandments is their choice, I have no idea). During Trump's administration, women and minorities faced increasing disdain and violence. Trump has instigated the increase of anti-Black violence, anti-Latino violence, chauvinism, anti-Asian violence, antiSemitism, anti-LGBTQ violence and so on. Trump gave acceptance to white nationalists, white supremacists, chauvinists and Christian evangelicals so that they could openly voice their hatred and their bigotry no longer had to be hidden.

The first two years of his administration saw a rise in anti-Muslims violence and made being Muslim in America more dangerous. The number of women attacked for their Muslim clothing and head gear increased. General violence against Muslims increased. Trump is no friend to Muslims.

I'm surprised that self-preservation doesn't affect their judgment and decision. I am Asian American and I watched violence against Asians during Trump's term in office. I read articles of an elderly Asian grandma assaulted on a street corner and sent to the hospital. I know of cases even in the DC metropolitan area of Asians being targeted and attacked just for being Asian. I don't want to see this type of violence in my children's future just because there are white conservatives who feel enabled because we have a Bigot in Chief at the head of our government.

Christians see Trump as their big, bad protector rather than seeing him as one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Arabs/Muslims along with 3rd parties will hand the state to Trump.

Muslims have basically nothing in common with the D party, no common beliefs or values. The only thing that the D party can offer is some kind of broad validation of their minority status, but no validation of their actual views or goals. If you look at Pew polling of Muslims, support for Ds have been declining since 2014. The only thing the left has going for it is the race hustle, but current events call the actual ROI for Muslims of that approach into question. Most people don't see themselves as being "minority" first. They see their identity as being interwoven with their beliefs and culture, and the D party isn't exactly traditional or religious.

Trump's base and the only ones that he evens makes an attempt to appeal to, are white, conservative Christians (although why a man who has violated almost every one of the Ten Commandments is their choice, I have no idea). During Trump's administration, women and minorities faced increasing disdain and violence. Trump has instigated the increase of anti-Black violence, anti-Latino violence, chauvinism, anti-Asian violence, antiSemitism, anti-LGBTQ violence and so on. Trump gave acceptance to white nationalists, white supremacists, chauvinists and Christian evangelicals so that they could openly voice their hatred and their bigotry no longer had to be hidden.

The first two years of his administration saw a rise in anti-Muslims violence and made being Muslim in America more dangerous. The number of women attacked for their Muslim clothing and head gear increased. General violence against Muslims increased. Trump is no friend to Muslims.

I'm surprised that self-preservation doesn't affect their judgment and decision. I am Asian American and I watched violence against Asians during Trump's term in office. I read articles of an elderly Asian grandma assaulted on a street corner and sent to the hospital. I know of cases even in the DC metropolitan area of Asians being targeted and attacked just for being Asian. I don't want to see this type of violence in my children's future just because there are white conservatives who feel enabled because we have a Bigot in Chief at the head of our government.

I am Asian too and I will not vote for a party that trades on racist dog-whistles, let alone explicit racist policies, such as a Muslim ban. This is my bedrock principle and single-issue vote, and explains why I've never voted for a Republican candidate. They've all done that in some measure, or let their supporters go relatively unchecked in that direction. I do this even though as a wealthy person, some GOP economic policies have benefited me and my family, and even though I think that the American Left of the past few years has entirely lost itself in frothy, but ultimately virtue-signaling and impractical, DEI extremism. You don't hear that sort of crap from the European Left, or any other left-wing party in the world. They run on jobs and prices, like the Democrats should do.

Just think how powerful the GOP would be if they welcomed people of all religions and skin color. They'd get all the immigrant votes! The Africans, East Asians, South Asians, Arabs and Muslims, Central and South Americans, they're ALL more socially conservative than the average American!

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Anonymous wrote:Arabs/Muslims along with 3rd parties will hand the state to Trump.

Muslims have basically nothing in common with the D party, no common beliefs or values. The only thing that the D party can offer is some kind of broad validation of their minority status, but no validation of their actual views or goals. If you look at Pew polling of Muslims, support for Ds have been declining since 2014. The only thing the left has going for it is the race hustle, but current events call the actual ROI for Muslims of that approach into question. Most people don't see themselves as being "minority" first. They see their identity as being interwoven with their beliefs and culture, and the D party isn't exactly traditional or religious.

Trump's base and the only ones that he evens makes an attempt to appeal to, are white, conservative Christians (although why a man who has violated almost every one of the Ten Commandments is their choice, I have no idea). During Trump's administration, women and minorities faced increasing disdain and violence. Trump has instigated the increase of anti-Black violence, anti-Latino violence, chauvinism, anti-Asian violence, antiSemitism, anti-LGBTQ violence and so on. Trump gave acceptance to white nationalists, white supremacists, chauvinists and Christian evangelicals so that they could openly voice their hatred and their bigotry no longer had to be hidden.

The first two years of his administration saw a rise in anti-Muslims violence and made being Muslim in America more dangerous. The number of women attacked for their Muslim clothing and head gear increased. General violence against Muslims increased. Trump is no friend to Muslims.

I'm surprised that self-preservation doesn't affect their judgment and decision. I am Asian American and I watched violence against Asians during Trump's term in office. I read articles of an elderly Asian grandma assaulted on a street corner and sent to the hospital. I know of cases even in the DC metropolitan area of Asians being targeted and attacked just for being Asian. I don't want to see this type of violence in my children's future just because there are white conservatives who feel enabled because we have a Bigot in Chief at the head of our government.

I am Asian too and I will not vote for a party that trades on racist dog-whistles, let alone explicit racist policies, such as a Muslim ban. This is my bedrock principle and single-issue vote, and explains why I've never voted for a Republican candidate. They've all done that in some measure, or let their supporters go relatively unchecked in that direction. I do this even though as a wealthy person, some GOP economic policies have benefited me and my family, and even though I think that the American Left of the past few years has entirely lost itself in frothy, but ultimately virtue-signaling and impractical, DEI extremism. You don't hear that sort of crap from the European Left, or any other left-wing party in the world. They run on jobs and prices, like the Democrats should do.

Just think how powerful the GOP would be if they welcomed people of all religions and skin color. They'd get all the immigrant votes! The Africans, East Asians, South Asians, Arabs and Muslims, Central and South Americans, they're ALL more socially conservative than the average American!

I am white and could care less about the skin color or gender of a political candidate. All I care about is having someone fit and capable serving in the most powerful job in the world. We haven't had fit and capable since Obama left office. I truly believe most people are waking up to feel this same way and most will vote for Harris for this reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

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Guys. He doesn’t have the numbers this time. It’s not happening.

I repeatedly point this out and…silence. The trolls have nothing.

There’s silence because there’s currently no data to back up your conclusion. You’re being ignored because you’re offering only emotion and nothing of substance to the discussion.

So, by all means, continue to repeatedly point out…your feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:Base.Doesn’t.Care.

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Guys. He doesn’t have the numbers this time. It’s not happening.

I repeatedly point this out and…silence. The trolls have nothing.

There’s silence because there’s currently no data to back up your conclusion. You’re being ignored because you’re offering only emotion and nothing of substance to the discussion.

So, by all means, continue to repeatedly point out…your feelings.

Right? This guy wants to contradict all the polls and not offer any analysis and expects people to engage.

The race is incredibly tight and the momentum seems to be moving back to Trump. I was a very long term proponent of the Great Biden Replacement Theory and thought they'd do the switch in September to benefit from the honeymoon phase. But they pulled the trigger too early and now the momentum has shifted.