Black Voters Drift From Democrats, Imperiling Harris’s Bid, Poll Shows

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They relate to Trumps fighting the biased legal system
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty large chunks of black and Latino voters drifting away from Harris per the recent polls. Add to that whatever is going on with Muslims in Michigan. Will be interesting to see what happens. Trump is senile and crazy. So I guess it’ll be Vance and the Project 2025 people running things if Trump wins. I mean, on the one hand, if they can stem illegal immigration, renew the Trump tax cuts, stop trying to cancel student debt, and give a big F U to the pro Palestinian protesters, I’m not opposed to those things at all. My main areas of concern are for our international alliances, spiraling debt and entitlements (not that Ds would be any more responsible on those either) and the Supreme Court. I’m not a working class black or Latino or Palestinian in MI, so can’t speak to why they’re drawn to Trump. There’s probably some crossover with the things I’ve noted that I’d be in favor of. But also think some of g the em are deeply wrong on what would happen economically speaking. Like, if Trump actually implements any of the economic policies he’s espoused, inflation will come roaring back, agriculture and construction will collapse (since he’s planning to deport all those workers) and we’ll get slammed with another recession. Not sure how that will be beneficial to working class minorities but whatever. Sometimes people just want to burn it all down and I think that’s where we are right now. We haven’t hit bottom yet.

Agree.

IMO, the left has gone too far left, and that's why the more socially conservative Dems are turning away, just as the right has gone extreme right, which lead to the #neverTrumpers and Lincoln project.

Those who are socially conservative don't really think about foreign policy much. Dems have historically had weaker foreign policy, and focused more on internal issues. That's why Trump speaks so much to these Dems. He's an isolationist that wrapped in the MAGA flag.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty large chunks of black and Latino voters drifting away from Harris per the recent polls. Add to that whatever is going on with Muslims in Michigan. Will be interesting to see what happens. Trump is senile and crazy. So I guess it’ll be Vance and the Project 2025 people running things if Trump wins. I mean, on the one hand, if they can stem illegal immigration, renew the Trump tax cuts, stop trying to cancel student debt, and give a big F U to the pro Palestinian protesters, I’m not opposed to those things at all. My main areas of concern are for our international alliances, spiraling debt and entitlements (not that Ds would be any more responsible on those either) and the Supreme Court. I’m not a working class black or Latino or Palestinian in MI, so can’t speak to why they’re drawn to Trump. There’s probably some crossover with the things I’ve noted that I’d be in favor of. But also think some of g the em are deeply wrong on what would happen economically speaking. Like, if Trump actually implements any of the economic policies he’s espoused, inflation will come roaring back, agriculture and construction will collapse (since he’s planning to deport all those workers) and we’ll get slammed with another recession. Not sure how that will be beneficial to working class minorities but whatever. Sometimes people just want to burn it all down and I think that’s where we are right now. We haven’t hit bottom yet.


Curious.
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty large chunks of black and Latino voters drifting away from Harris per the recent polls. Add to that whatever is going on with Muslims in Michigan. Will be interesting to see what happens. Trump is senile and crazy. So I guess it’ll be Vance and the Project 2025 people running things if Trump wins. I mean, on the one hand, if they can stem illegal immigration, renew the Trump tax cuts, stop trying to cancel student debt, and give a big F U to the pro Palestinian protesters, I’m not opposed to those things at all. My main areas of concern are for our international alliances, spiraling debt and entitlements (not that Ds would be any more responsible on those either) and the Supreme Court. I’m not a working class black or Latino or Palestinian in MI, so can’t speak to why they’re drawn to Trump. There’s probably some crossover with the things I’ve noted that I’d be in favor of. But also think some of g the em are deeply wrong on what would happen economically speaking. Like, if Trump actually implements any of the economic policies he’s espoused, inflation will come roaring back, agriculture and construction will collapse (since he’s planning to deport all those workers) and we’ll get slammed with another recession. Not sure how that will be beneficial to working class minorities but whatever. Sometimes people just want to burn it all down and I think that’s where we are right now. We haven’t hit bottom yet.


Curious.


Not that complicated - we overspend. Lots of areas of bloat that I’d be fine with cutting. Our military for one has become a massive welfare program and full of contracting grift. But it’s politically toxic to do anything other than increase spending to them. On the left side, actual welfare programs have grown way too much. And now we’re also covering millions of destitute migrants. There is a saying that the more you subsidize something, the more you’ll get. To wit: increasing generational poverty and governmental dependence.
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Anonymous wrote:Democrats haven’t done anything to benefit black people. They cater to illegal immigrants. You should see some of the town halls where members of the black community ask why public resources are being lavished on providing for illegal immigrants while their communities receive nothing.

So we fix this by electing the racist guy?


I know, right? Lots of deplorables in this country who don't understand that actions have consequences.

And mostly, we know what the problem is. Latinos and Blacks are very misogynist. They were ready to support a Black man for President, but not a non-white woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats haven’t done anything to benefit black people. They cater to illegal immigrants. You should see some of the town halls where members of the black community ask why public resources are being lavished on providing for illegal immigrants while their communities receive nothing.

So we fix this by electing the racist guy?


Are you a black American and do you think Trump is racist?


NP not who you were asking but yes and I do not think Trump is a racist. I don't subscribe to the bs that mass media perpetuated. Biden has done nothing for blacks so I'm voting Trump.

Other than getting close to 400,000 Black folks killed due to his incompetence and nonchalant behavior, what else did Trump do for Black people?


Could you provide a citation for this?
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Anonymous wrote:Pretty large chunks of black and Latino voters drifting away from Harris per the recent polls. Add to that whatever is going on with Muslims in Michigan. Will be interesting to see what happens. Trump is senile and crazy. So I guess it’ll be Vance and the Project 2025 people running things if Trump wins. I mean, on the one hand, if they can stem illegal immigration, renew the Trump tax cuts, stop trying to cancel student debt, and give a big F U to the pro Palestinian protesters, I’m not opposed to those things at all. My main areas of concern are for our international alliances, spiraling debt and entitlements (not that Ds would be any more responsible on those either) and the Supreme Court. I’m not a working class black or Latino or Palestinian in MI, so can’t speak to why they’re drawn to Trump. There’s probably some crossover with the things I’ve noted that I’d be in favor of. But also think some of g the em are deeply wrong on what would happen economically speaking. Like, if Trump actually implements any of the economic policies he’s espoused, inflation will come roaring back, agriculture and construction will collapse (since he’s planning to deport all those workers) and we’ll get slammed with another recession. Not sure how that will be beneficial to working class minorities but whatever. Sometimes people just want to burn it all down and I think that’s where we are right now. We haven’t hit bottom yet.


Curious.


Not that complicated - we overspend. Lots of areas of bloat that I’d be fine with cutting. Our military for one has become a massive welfare program and full of contracting grift. But it’s politically toxic to do anything other than increase spending to them. On the left side, actual welfare programs have grown way too much. And now we’re also covering millions of destitute migrants. There is a saying that the more you subsidize something, the more you’ll get. To wit: increasing generational poverty and governmental dependence.


LOL.

Trump doesn’t care about debt and how much do you think deporting millions will cost us? (Hint: The estimates are $1 TRILLION)

“President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new ten-year borrowing during his full term in office, or $4.8 trillion excluding the CARES Act and other COVID relief.
President Biden, in his first three years and five months in office, approved $4.3 trillion of new ten-year borrowing, or $2.2 trillion excluding the American Rescue Plan.”



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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty large chunks of black and Latino voters drifting away from Harris per the recent polls. Add to that whatever is going on with Muslims in Michigan. Will be interesting to see what happens. Trump is senile and crazy. So I guess it’ll be Vance and the Project 2025 people running things if Trump wins. I mean, on the one hand, if they can stem illegal immigration, renew the Trump tax cuts, stop trying to cancel student debt, and give a big F U to the pro Palestinian protesters, I’m not opposed to those things at all. My main areas of concern are for our international alliances, spiraling debt and entitlements (not that Ds would be any more responsible on those either) and the Supreme Court. I’m not a working class black or Latino or Palestinian in MI, so can’t speak to why they’re drawn to Trump. There’s probably some crossover with the things I’ve noted that I’d be in favor of. But also think some of g the em are deeply wrong on what would happen economically speaking. Like, if Trump actually implements any of the economic policies he’s espoused, inflation will come roaring back, agriculture and construction will collapse (since he’s planning to deport all those workers) and we’ll get slammed with another recession. Not sure how that will be beneficial to working class minorities but whatever. Sometimes people just want to burn it all down and I think that’s where we are right now. We haven’t hit bottom yet.


Curious.


Not that complicated - we overspend. Lots of areas of bloat that I’d be fine with cutting. Our military for one has become a massive welfare program and full of contracting grift. But it’s politically toxic to do anything other than increase spending to them. On the left side, actual welfare programs have grown way too much. And now we’re also covering millions of destitute migrants. There is a saying that the more you subsidize something, the more you’ll get. To wit: increasing generational poverty and governmental dependence.


LOL.

Trump doesn’t care about debt and how much do you think deporting millions will cost us? (Hint: The estimates are $1 TRILLION)

“President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new ten-year borrowing during his full term in office, or $4.8 trillion excluding the CARES Act and other COVID relief.
President Biden, in his first three years and five months in office, approved $4.3 trillion of new ten-year borrowing, or $2.2 trillion excluding the American Rescue Plan.”




MAGA doesn't care if the trillion in debt is used to help Americans. They just don't want the cause to be due to helping the others - foreigners and migrants.
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Anonymous wrote:Good article from the NYT today
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/briefing/hispanic-black-americans-election-poll.html?unlocked_article_code=1.SE4.Fq36.j6L9fmLwWO-E&smid=url-share


So Americans of color like the patriarchy? This should be interesting.


This response about the "patriarchy" is 100% why Dems are not going to win the election. Most Americans don't view everything as related to gender or race. Stop using language social justice warrior language, normal people don't talk like this.
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Anonymous wrote:You just need to look at Baltimore. It’s 100% Democrat run and has been that way for almost a century. It’s literally impossible to blame Republicans in any way for any of the city’s problems although I’m sure someone on this thread will try. Hundreds of millions of dollars and affirmative action and everything else and yet the city is failing on every single metric.

Black people want safe communities, to start with. Democrats don’t care that the same guy is arrested 100 times. And they don’t care how many people we let into our country to live for free with no vetting whatsoever. Republicans aren’t perfect but at least they want safe communities. And nothing is more important than that.


Safe communities starts with securing the border. 100% lockdown.
Only vetted people allowed to cross. DMZ military patrolled zone for the rest.
Most people really have no clue how bad it is and how it's spread to many major cities now.


This is factually incorrect and driven by right wing hysteria. The fact is, if we immediately deported every last illegal alien and asylum seeker tomorrow it would barely make a dent in crime.


Data from liberal NYC indicates that migrants make up 75%of arrests. It's not hysteria.

Do you have a link for that?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a democratic pollster. Internals show this same trend. We're worried. Very worried. Please get the vote out.


Dare to say that not going the mini-primary route in favor of what was deemed to be the safe option was a colossal mistake. The whole case for Kamala was predicated on turnout among black voters.


This.
People are pissed that they had no say and that the powers that be didn’t listen when we tried to tell them in 2020 that we don’t like her.
Kamala didn’t win one vote when she ran for President in 2020 (dropped out before primaries and was polling at 1%. 1%!!! No one likes her.)
Crowning her candidacy by backdoor behind-the-scenes elitist selection was really dumb. And then we’re supposed to swallow that the other party is the one that is a “threat to democracy?” Please.
What is this if not an installed presidency?
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Anonymous wrote:I can’t access the NYT article, so I’ll simply say that without looking at the data, assessing how the sampling was done, and having a good reason to link the data with actual behavior, it’s hard to know whether anyone is “drifting”. I hope they’re at least sampling people who have strong histories of the actually voting.
This Black female will be voting for Harris - Walz.


The issue is not among black females.
It’s among black men who are realizing that there’s been no benefit to them in voting with a block that shames their masculinity as toxic. And they have a very difficult time with the fact that Kamala had no issue getting tough on crime when it involved locking up black men with harsh sentences for drug offenses but then publicly championed bailing out violent “protestors” who went around smashing up small businesses and burning down city blocks and looting. Where was her “look the other way” attitude then? And why is she also pro-immigrant when it comes to entering our country illegally. Yes there are exceptions for asylum seekers. But that would account for less than 15% of those crossing the border.
They just can’t get behind her because she speaks out of both sides of her mouth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Black voters probably noticed that Kamala was in on the big lie of the past 2-3 years, i.e. that Joe Biden really isn’t losing his mind.


+1
She had to know and agree to cover. Even his cabinet is covering with little attempts to “gently remind him” of what’s next in a meeting. So awkward.
And also it’s like watching the movie DAVE except for instead of having a body double play the role of President while the president is in a coma, they are just having Biden play himself and are “helping” him pretend to be all there. It would be very kind and sweet if he weren’t the president!!!

Dementia is a general diagnosis that covers multiple different categories of cognitive decline. I voted for Biden, but he has telltale signs and he presents like a person living with Parkinson’s disease. They have him on some pretty good drugs, obviously. But you can’t hide it from those who see this daily in other people—it’s in his eyes and mouth. And even occasionally in his hand gestures. And in the way he slumps his head and shoulders inward. It’s not purposeful. It’s just symptoms.

And if you notice, he doesn’t have a public evening schedule. I imagine the sundowning is extremely difficult to control.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why Obama is the one attempting to address this issue among black men. I know he’s half black, but Biden is the one who got the most votes of any president ever—nearly 4 milllion votes more than Obama did! Clearly, Biden is wildly popular. So why isn’t Biden out there rallying people to come out and vote for Kamala the way they all supported him?


Biden went after the broad democrat party.

Harris is going after the young and woke vote. These are two different segments. She has actually pissed off a lot of the democrat party.


Dumb move.
They can try to get out the vote, but all data shows that the older crowd are still the ones who make time to get to the polls. The young and woke are still too self absorbed for this.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get why Obama is the one attempting to address this issue among black men. I know he’s half black, but Biden is the one who got the most votes of any president ever—nearly 4 milllion votes more than Obama did! Clearly, Biden is wildly popular. So why isn’t Biden out there rallying people to come out and vote for Kamala the way they all supported him?


"nearly 4 milllion votes more than Obama did"

You realize what population growth is, right?


Don’t be silly.
This was a huge leap and does not in any way account for “population growth.” 4 million additional people do not spontaneously show up to the polls due to population growth. They are inspired to action by a dynamic leader to get out the vote!!
(What—do you not think this is a reasonable explanation for the huge Biden following that Obama lacked?)
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