Dockworker’s strike

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why even bring up your uncle then? What was the purpose?

He is cackling with delight that shelves will be empty and after the pandemic inflation, the orange sun king will return.

Basically he wants the union to do Trump’s bidding and make Biden Harris look bad.

Have you looked at the Longshoremans’ demands? They don’t mention a single candidate. They are about wages and automation only.

Demands for increased wages are reasonable but people need to stop demanding limits on automation.

Automation will inevitably replace expensive workers.

Automation is coming for your job too. Humans having jobs is more important than maximum profit.

Humans can do non automatable jobs. Humans should not be killing themselves for an economic farce.

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Anonymous wrote:Why even bring up your uncle then? What was the purpose?

He is cackling with delight that shelves will be empty and after the pandemic inflation, the orange sun king will return.

Basically he wants the union to do Trump’s bidding and make Biden Harris look bad.

Have you looked at the Longshoremans’ demands? They don’t mention a single candidate. They are about wages and automation only.

Demands for increased wages are reasonable but people need to stop demanding limits on automation.

Automation will inevitably replace expensive workers.

Automation is coming for your job too. Humans having jobs is more important than maximum profit.

How much extra are you willing to pay for bananas?

The longshoreman are demanding a 70%+ raise and were offered a 50% raise. If those goes on more than a week public opinion is going to swing against them.

Their max pay is now $39 an hour now, a 70% raise is being instituted over 6 years at $5 an hour a year.

$39/hour for a max salary is chicken scratch for what those people have to endure. That’s around $75,000-$80,000 a year for back breaking work where you always the risk of having your skull, legs, or back caved in by a shipping container. Shame on you for thinking they’re being greedy in their demands.

This thread really brings to light how phony these supposed “Democrats” are on this board. These “Democrats” on here are mostly neoconservative Republicans who have libertarian social and cultural views. Not Democrats in my book at all.

I stand with the workers of America, not greedy corporations. You should too.

Their other main demand is no automation. Can't complain about risk and difficulty if you are insisting on no robotic help.

Longshoreman are very well paid. You aren't including overtime, bonuses or profit sharing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to automate the ports. It’s that simple. Look at other counties. I’m sorry that some dock worker won’t be able to collect a big salary and then pass the job down to his son, but this is so much bigger. 95% of our goods come by ship. We need efficient supply chains. Keep unions for other jobs not this.

Yes, move those longshoremen to union manufacturing jobs, rebuild USA's manufacturing base, and charge tariffs on exporters like China and Bangladesh who don't pay a decent wage, so the can't dump their product at a lower price than made in USA. Reduce pollution from shipping.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to automate the ports. It’s that simple. Look at other counties. I’m sorry that some dock worker won’t be able to collect a big salary and then pass the job down to his son, but this is so much bigger. 95% of our goods come by ship. We need efficient supply chains. Keep unions for other jobs not this.

Yes, move those longshoremen to union manufacturing jobs, rebuild USA's manufacturing base, and charge tariffs on exporters like China and Bangladesh who don't pay a decent wage, so the can't dump their product at a lower price than made in USA. Reduce pollution from shipping.

Longshoreman get paid a lot more than union manufacturing workers.

How much more are you willing to pay for everything? Do you like being able to get fresh fruits and vegetables in winter?

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Anonymous wrote:Why even bring up your uncle then? What was the purpose?

He is cackling with delight that shelves will be empty and after the pandemic inflation, the orange sun king will return.

Basically he wants the union to do Trump’s bidding and make Biden Harris look bad.

Have you looked at the Longshoremans’ demands? They don’t mention a single candidate. They are about wages and automation only.

Demands for increased wages are reasonable but people need to stop demanding limits on automation.

Automation will inevitably replace expensive workers.

Automation is coming for your job too. Humans having jobs is more important than maximum profit.

How much extra are you willing to pay for bananas?

The longshoreman are demanding a 70%+ raise and were offered a 50% raise. If those goes on more than a week public opinion is going to swing against them.

Their max pay is now $39 an hour now, a 70% raise is being instituted over 6 years at $5 an hour a year.

$39/hour for a max salary is chicken scratch for what those people have to endure. That’s around $75,000-$80,000 a year for back breaking work where you always the risk of having your skull, legs, or back caved in by a shipping container. Shame on you for thinking they’re being greedy in their demands.

This thread really brings to light how phony these supposed “Democrats” are on this board. These “Democrats” on here are mostly neoconservative Republicans who have libertarian social and cultural views. Not Democrats in my book at all.

I stand with the workers of America, not greedy corporations. You should too.

I don't see how shutting down the ports and stopping all trade to the Eastern seaboard a few weeks before a national election advances the interests of glorified forklift operators who are already making six figures. And these workers have already been offered a 50 percent wage increase, which they rejected. In a few days, it will be impossible to find fresh fruit in more than half the country. And that's just the beginning. Stopping nearly all trade is going to have rapidly cascading effects that are going to impact every human being in the United States - from food shortages to a big spike in inflation to job losses as the economy grinds to a halt. And to choose to strike just weeks before people vote effectively hands the election to Trump and the GOP. Harris and Democrats have no chance in these circumstances.

I'm not sure why unions think they're going to get a better deal with Republicans in power. If anything, the Longshoremen Union have made a very compelling case for why we need to accelerate automation in the ports. It should not be possible for a few thousand well-paid union members to impact the livelihoods and well-being of every American while actively throwing a national election to Donald Trump and the GOP.

This democrat stands with the robots now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you see Biden confuse the Yemen "strikes" question yesteday when he thought it was about the Longshoremen "strike".

No, who cares? What's your point? How is this relevant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here comes inflation.

Too many losers working in their basements that expect actually valuable commodities and manufactured goods for their non-essential tornado of worthless digital drivel.

What do you do for work, love?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why even bring up your uncle then? What was the purpose?

He is cackling with delight that shelves will be empty and after the pandemic inflation, the orange sun king will return.

Basically he wants the union to do Trump’s bidding and make Biden Harris look bad.

Have you looked at the Longshoremans’ demands? They don’t mention a single candidate. They are about wages and automation only.

Demands for increased wages are reasonable but people need to stop demanding limits on automation.

Automation will inevitably replace expensive workers.

Automation is coming for your job too. Humans having jobs is more important than maximum profit.

How much extra are you willing to pay for bananas?

The longshoreman are demanding a 70%+ raise and were offered a 50% raise. If those goes on more than a week public opinion is going to swing against them.

Their max pay is now $39 an hour now, a 70% raise is being instituted over 6 years at $5 an hour a year.

$39/hour for a max salary is chicken scratch for what those people have to endure. That’s around $75,000-$80,000 a year for back breaking work where you always the risk of having your skull, legs, or back caved in by a shipping container. Shame on you for thinking they’re being greedy in their demands.

This thread really brings to light how phony these supposed “Democrats” are on this board. These “Democrats” on here are mostly neoconservative Republicans who have libertarian social and cultural views. Not Democrats in my book at all.

I stand with the workers of America, not greedy corporations. You should too.

It isn't the democrats who are opposing this strike or the suggested salary demands.

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Anonymous wrote:This is about unions trying to sabotage the economy in order to throw the election to trump. That’s ALL this is.

The average dock worker earns $300,000/yr!!! I have an advanced degree and work in public service and I don’t earn that much! These are basically knuckleheads with no education who operate equipment, they’re overpaid as it is.

This is political interference. The DoJ needs to look into this immediately.

Boo Hoo. Hard physical work that provides the commodities and manufactured products necessary for civilization makes more money than your non-essential, sap sucking, parasitic, sloppy, slovenly “work” probably remotely performed in your PJs.

You do know that longshoremen don't unload ships by hand, right? There are... buttons they press.

I mean, it's hard work operating those cranes and repairing them, and so think they should be paid fairly and more than they are. However, they aren't lugging crates on their backs anymore.

It's really too bad the Teamsters don't endorse Democrats anymore, and are aligned more with anti union republicans. Not the way to get a pay increase and better working conditions, folks.

Right? Not sure what the strategy is here. So unions are threatening to deprive the entire Eastern seaboard of food and goods a few weeks before a national election, thereby effectively ensuring a Republican victory in November. Unions have somehow concluded that Trump and the GOP are their natural allies? Never mind that just yesterday Trump was rambling about how much he hates paying overtime. This is who unions have decided to champion.

Brilliant. If I'm a Democrat in office watching this, I would turn on unions so fast - just for the mendacity alone. Clearly, unions are run by morons. Absolutely no one in America is going to side with extremely well-paid longshoremen who are going to be costing this country $5 billion per day with their actions plus food shortages plus a massive inflationary spike. It's blackmail on all Americans. And it effectively becomes a national security crisis.

The Dems flooded the US with over 10 million illegal aliens who compete with union workers for construction jobs.

10 million isn't the right number and you clearly don't know who unions and union jobs work if you believe that. Also, even if what you typed is true, then why not hold the employers responsible for hiring undocumented workers?

Great idea. Now let's think back to third grade civics. Which branch of government is responsible for enforcing laws on the books? That would be the executive branch. Biden stopped holding employers responsible in 2021. So in review, this administration allowed millions to flood over our border and then stopped enforcement of the magnet that brings them here.

No, you don't get to claim this as if it is something new. I mean Trump literally employees undocumented migrants om his properties and did while he was president. You want those laws enforced? Pass the legislation that funds the enforcement. Trump told the GOP not to pass it, that is all you should need to know.

There are already laws on the books that are currently not being enforced!

I do get to claim the truth.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/politics/ice-workplace-raids/index.html

[Anonymous]

What's worse - Biden mentioning collective bargaining yesterday or both sides meeting last week for the first time since June?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to automate the ports. It’s that simple. Look at other counties. I’m sorry that some dock worker won’t be able to collect a big salary and then pass the job down to his son, but this is so much bigger. 95% of our goods come by ship. We need efficient supply chains. Keep unions for other jobs not this.

Yes, move those longshoremen to union manufacturing jobs, rebuild USA's manufacturing base, and charge tariffs on exporters like China and Bangladesh who don't pay a decent wage, so the can't dump their product at a lower price than made in USA. Reduce pollution from shipping.

I don't agree about the tariffs. Maybe we just close the ports so the goods can't come in - ha. But definitely rebuild US manufacturing, and at the quality it was in the 1980s. Yes I'll pay more and buy less.

[Anonymous]

ah, so this is political

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's worse - Biden mentioning collective bargaining yesterday or both sides meeting last week for the first time since June?

Since JUNE??

[Anonymous]

Yep.

"The two sides in the dispute have not met since June, and as of now, no talks are scheduled."

https://abc7ny.com/post/longshoremens-association-ila-strike-tri-state-area-braces-possible-could-impact-14-east-gulf-coast-ports/15374386/

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Hurricane Helene's economic losses could total over $160 billion, per Newsweek.