NVSL ASR and excessive heat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tuckahoe coach naturally is asking for a recount. lol.

Of what?

Total points per team. Specifically Tuckahoe and Chesterbrook.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one "owes" anyone anything.
Stuff happens.
Life lessons all around

ok, but these HS kids have had to deal with more than their share. should have happened in 2021

Are you for real? You are literally talking about recreation swim relays like it’s a momentous occasion that was stripped away. It was rained out today, it happens. You need to get a grip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think an indoor pool is a great idea. I wonder how much they would charge NVSL.

I can't think of any indoor facility that comes close to having the needed capacity. There were over 800 athletes that competed today. Places like George Mason and the larger rec centers seat maybe 500 spectators. They hit capacity for HS meets which have maybe 150 athletes and family members.

Atlanta’s summer rec swim league has its championship at the Georgia dome, Georgia tech’s indoor aquatic facility, which seats around 2000. I imagine that people watch their kids swim and then leave, so you wouldn’t need to seat everyone at the same time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think its unfair how much more the fast kids get for their swim team registration.

B meet Larlo pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 lame, long, boring B meets that aren't even scored like real meets.

A meet Larla pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 super fun A meets, with themes and team lunches, 5 B meets, extra attention from coaches during Practice, relay carnival, all star relay carnival, and individual all stars. A
meet Larla's parents aren't required to do any extra volunteering above what B meet Larlo's parenrs do. It honestly feels like the B team families are subsidizing the A swimmers.

Oh please, A meet families naturally volunteer a LOT more. Our team doesn't currently have volunteer requirements, but I can tell you A meet families are a lot more committed to the team and do a hell of a lot more of the work. Team Reps ALWAYS have A meet swimmers as do all of our officials, data coordinator, table head and so forth. It's rare that a family with strictly B meet swimmers are volunteering to do any of the big jobs.

A meets and B meets: only A meet parents serve as officials. Ever. Not a single B-meet-only parent serves as an official.

B meets: half the A meet swimmers don’t go because they have long course or relay meets

Practices: A meet club swimmers don’t go to summer swim practices except maybe Friday; they go to club practices all week. B meet swimmers get the benefit of all the summer league coaches’ instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think an indoor pool is a great idea. I wonder how much they would charge NVSL.

I can't think of any indoor facility that comes close to having the needed capacity. There were over 800 athletes that competed today. Places like George Mason and the larger rec centers seat maybe 500 spectators. They hit capacity for HS meets which have maybe 150 athletes and family members.

Atlanta’s summer rec swim league has its championship at the Georgia dome, Georgia tech’s indoor aquatic facility, which seats around 2000. I imagine that people watch their kids swim and then leave, so you wouldn’t need to seat everyone at the same time.

Yes, ASA and Gwinnett Swim League have a full week of champs by division. For ASA, any child who wants to participate is permitted to swim. There is no Georgia Dome anymore. They demolished it in 2017.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think its unfair how much more the fast kids get for their swim team registration.

B meet Larlo pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 lame, long, boring B meets that aren't even scored like real meets.

A meet Larla pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 super fun A meets, with themes and team lunches, 5 B meets, extra attention from coaches during Practice, relay carnival, all star relay carnival, and individual all stars. A
meet Larla's parents aren't required to do any extra volunteering above what B meet Larlo's parenrs do. It honestly feels like the B team families are subsidizing the A swimmers.

Oh please, A meet families naturally volunteer a LOT more. Our team doesn't currently have volunteer requirements, but I can tell you A meet families are a lot more committed to the team and do a hell of a lot more of the work. Team Reps ALWAYS have A meet swimmers as do all of our officials, data coordinator, table head and so forth. It's rare that a family with strictly B meet swimmers are volunteering to do any of the big jobs.

Honest question, how do you run a team without any volunteer requirements?

We have considered it but overall our parents are great and don’t need threats of volunteer fees to help out. If we need volunteers we will reach out to families who haven’t volunteered much. Once they know we know they aren’t volunteering they typically step up more. Having a relatively large team also helps.

Even with volunteer requirements some families will still end up doing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think an indoor pool is a great idea. I wonder how much they would charge NVSL.

I can't think of any indoor facility that comes close to having the needed capacity. There were over 800 athletes that competed today. Places like George Mason and the larger rec centers seat maybe 500 spectators. They hit capacity for HS meets which have maybe 150 athletes and family members.

UMD's natatorium has a capacity of 1,000 spectators. The bulkhead is moveable so it should be able to be set up for SCM. I have no idea how much it costs to rent the facility but it's probably more than what the NVSL shells out for ASR and All Stars. Also, an indoor competition natatorium is completely different from a neighborhood outdoor recreation pool that doubles as a "competition" pool. Once you go indoors, and records are smashed, you can't go back to an outdoor setting - or else you have indoor and outdoor records.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think an indoor pool is a great idea. I wonder how much they would charge NVSL.

I can't think of any indoor facility that comes close to having the needed capacity. There were over 800 athletes that competed today. Places like George Mason and the larger rec centers seat maybe 500 spectators. They hit capacity for HS meets which have maybe 150 athletes and family members.

UMD's natatorium has a capacity of 1,000 spectators. The bulkhead is moveable so it should be able to be set up for SCM. I have no idea how much it costs to rent the facility but it's probably more than what the NVSL shells out for ASR and All Stars. Also, an indoor competition natatorium is completely different from a neighborhood outdoor recreation pool that doubles as a "competition" pool. Once you go indoors, and records are smashed, you can't go back to an outdoor setting - or else you have indoor and outdoor records.

I also am NOT schlepping out to college park on a Wednesday evening. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think an indoor pool is a great idea. I wonder how much they would charge NVSL.

I can't think of any indoor facility that comes close to having the needed capacity. There were over 800 athletes that competed today. Places like George Mason and the larger rec centers seat maybe 500 spectators. They hit capacity for HS meets which have maybe 150 athletes and family members.

UMD's natatorium has a capacity of 1,000 spectators. The bulkhead is moveable so it should be able to be set up for SCM. I have no idea how much it costs to rent the facility but it's probably more than what the NVSL shells out for ASR and All Stars. Also, an indoor competition natatorium is completely different from a neighborhood outdoor recreation pool that doubles as a "competition" pool. Once you go indoors, and records are smashed, you can't go back to an outdoor setting - or else you have indoor and outdoor records.

PVS LC Open Champs starts today at UMD (and this is the week it always is) so that is not going to ever be an option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think its unfair how much more the fast kids get for their swim team registration.

B meet Larlo pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 lame, long, boring B meets that aren't even scored like real meets.

A meet Larla pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 super fun A meets, with themes and team lunches, 5 B meets, extra attention from coaches during Practice, relay carnival, all star relay carnival, and individual all stars. A
meet Larla's parents aren't required to do any extra volunteering above what B meet Larlo's parenrs do. It honestly feels like the B team families are subsidizing the A swimmers.

Oh please, A meet families naturally volunteer a LOT more. Our team doesn't currently have volunteer requirements, but I can tell you A meet families are a lot more committed to the team and do a hell of a lot more of the work. Team Reps ALWAYS have A meet swimmers as do all of our officials, data coordinator, table head and so forth. It's rare that a family with strictly B meet swimmers are volunteering to do any of the big jobs.

A meets and B meets: only A meet parents serve as officials. Ever. Not a single B-meet-only parent serves as an official.

B meets: half the A meet swimmers don’t go because they have long course or relay meets

Practices: A meet club swimmers don’t go to summer swim practices except maybe Friday; they go to club practices all week. B meet swimmers get the benefit of all the summer league coaches’ instruction.

Our pool is a bit different. Our referee and starter are a husband and wife. Their older kid set pool records, but their younger kid is way down the ladder. They work A and B meets even though their kid doesn't swim A meets

Our A meet swimmers largely go to B meets because we have a large team with lots of jockeying for ladder position.

Practices are well attended by club swimmers because our coach is also the club coach for about half of them and a high school coach. His club practices at our pool before the swim team. Most just stay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think its unfair how much more the fast kids get for their swim team registration.

B meet Larlo pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 lame, long, boring B meets that aren't even scored like real meets.

A meet Larla pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 super fun A meets, with themes and team lunches, 5 B meets, extra attention from coaches during Practice, relay carnival, all star relay carnival, and individual all stars. A
meet Larla's parents aren't required to do any extra volunteering above what B meet Larlo's parenrs do. It honestly feels like the B team families are subsidizing the A swimmers.

Oh please, A meet families naturally volunteer a LOT more. Our team doesn't currently have volunteer requirements, but I can tell you A meet families are a lot more committed to the team and do a hell of a lot more of the work. Team Reps ALWAYS have A meet swimmers as do all of our officials, data coordinator, table head and so forth. It's rare that a family with strictly B meet swimmers are volunteering to do any of the big jobs.

A meets and B meets: only A meet parents serve as officials. Ever. Not a single B-meet-only parent serves as an official.

B meets: half the A meet swimmers don’t go because they have long course or relay meets

Practices: A meet club swimmers don’t go to summer swim practices except maybe Friday; they go to club practices all week. B meet swimmers get the benefit of all the summer league coaches’ instruction.

Then why join the recreational summer swim team?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sucks for my kid. 2020 no ASR, 2021 no ASR, 2024 no free relay at ASR

These hs kids just can't catch a break.

Why can't they have each age group make it up tomorrow or this weekend. think outside of the box.

And yes, I volunteer, and help as much as I can. I would do whatever I could to host 3 heats of an age group this weekend.

They can't, per the rules in the NVSL rule book. (p. 70):
If any events of an All-Star Meet cannot be swum on the date originally scheduled, the events shall be canceled and not rescheduled.
Awards (but not points) for any events not swum shall be made based on the meet’s final seeding. Team trophies for the All-Star Relay Carnival shall be awarded based on the results of completed events but shall not be awarded unless at least 12 events have been swum.

I fully expect there to be a rule change proposal this for next year. While I agree with giving points for events that were already swum, I think it is crazy to not count anything for event that didn't get swum. If they are giving awards based on seeding they should also give points based on seeing. It puts some teams at an unfair advantage or disadvantage; strong medley teams will win over strong freestyle teams. I say this as someone who's team has no skin in this game as we are not even close to one of the top 3 teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think its unfair how much more the fast kids get for their swim team registration.

B meet Larlo pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 lame, long, boring B meets that aren't even scored like real meets.

A meet Larla pays $200 and gets to swim in 5 super fun A meets, with themes and team lunches, 5 B meets, extra attention from coaches during Practice, relay carnival, all star relay carnival, and individual all stars. A
meet Larla's parents aren't required to do any extra volunteering above what B meet Larlo's parenrs do. It honestly feels like the B team families are subsidizing the A swimmers.

Oh please, A meet families naturally volunteer a LOT more. Our team doesn't currently have volunteer requirements, but I can tell you A meet families are a lot more committed to the team and do a hell of a lot more of the work. Team Reps ALWAYS have A meet swimmers as do all of our officials, data coordinator, table head and so forth. It's rare that a family with strictly B meet swimmers are volunteering to do any of the big jobs.

A meets and B meets: only A meet parents serve as officials. Ever. Not a single B-meet-only parent serves as an official.

B meets: half the A meet swimmers don’t go because they have long course or relay meets

Practices: A meet club swimmers don’t go to summer swim practices except maybe Friday; they go to club practices all week. B meet swimmers get the benefit of all the summer league coaches’ instruction.

Then why join the recreational summer swim team?

Because it is fun and helps break up the grind for kids who swim year round. The teams also still want them because they are the ones winning races and contributing to the relays.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No lights. And weird rules about lanes 1 and 6 and dqing if you went outside some boundary line. I appreciate Rutherford hosting. Nice field. But.. the pool area and pool were pretty rough.

What was the boundary line thing? I didn’t hear about this.

The “corners” of the pool are curved. The spot where the curve starts is marked, and if a kid touches the wall beyond that (the curved area), he is dq’d because technically he is swimming a shorter distance.

I say this with all due respect to Rutherford. They did an amazing job with hosting. It was well organized, great signage, things flowed well. That said, for an all star event to be hosted where the kids have to “remember” where to stay within certain s boundaries is crazy. It puts lanes 1 and 6 at a significant disadvantage from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one "owes" anyone anything.
Stuff happens.
Life lessons all around

ok, but these HS kids have had to deal with more than their share. should have happened in 2021

Are you for real? You are literally talking about recreation swim relays like it’s a momentous occasion that was stripped away. It was rained out today, it happens. You need to get a grip.

I am for real. My kid has missed out on 2 ASR relay years they qualified for. And many more things like lots of us. But the older HS kids have for sure.

I just don't know why there is nothing in place for a re-do. So what if some can't go. It gives the chance to kids who can.

And to my kid, it was a big deal to make ASR relays this year. We didn't cry about it, but it sucks. My kid doesn't make champs or other big meets, so a big deal.