NCS grades spin-off

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


If your daughter has “never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card,” then the converted grade would be an A- (3.7). That’s the grade your daughter earned. What’s the problem?


DP. Oh my goodness please pay attention. Posters have explained this hundred times. It should be a 3.7 but NCS configures it differently. That is the issue. They don't convert the average over. They convert the number grade to a letter grade first then convert that to a 4.0 scale. Please reread the thread. Too difficult to try to explain to you.


I don’t have time to reread the thread. The examples used above (comparing STA and NCS grades) contain B+ grades. There are plenty of grades below 90.


You should read the thread. Posters are talking about the average. They never said they didn't get a B.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Potomac and STA all report course grades the same on the transcript (as letter grades).

The only difference is whether or not they post a final GPA. NCS and Maret do (on a 4.0 scale) STA does (on a 100 scale), Sidwell, GDS and Potomac do not.

how does this matter if colleges all recalculate GPAs anyway? (They generally remove art, music and religion classes)


DP. Well because if your student continually receives grades on the high end of the the letter grade system for example receives an 86 constantly they are getting entered in as if the same if they receive an 83 (both receive a 3.0). Over time this can lower their gpa. Number system is more accurate and fair. Please try adding it up yourself. For example you have students that have never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card but when their actual numbers are converted to letters it can lower their grade.

A 4.0 93-100
A- 3.7 90-92
B+ 3.3 87-89
B 3.0 83-86
B- 2.7 80-82


If your daughter has “never had below a 90 average for a single semester on their report card,” then the converted grade would be an A- (3.7). That’s the grade your daughter earned. What’s the problem?


DP. Oh my goodness please pay attention. Posters have explained this hundred times. It should be a 3.7 but NCS configures it differently. That is the issue. They don't convert the average over. They convert the number grade to a letter grade first then convert that to a 4.0 scale. Please reread the thread. Too difficult to try to explain to you.


If NCS converts the 90 (A-) to a letter grade (A-), then convert that to a 4.0 scale (3.7), the grade is a 3.7 (A-). What am I missing?


You are missing a lot. They don't convert it that way.
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Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.


Depends on what the distribution of the grades are.

What were the grades & credits for each class?


That was all taken into account obviously. .5 credits and full credits taken into account


So A- was the lowest grade in all classes in all quarters?


She said the average for all classes for the semester! Poster has explained this multiple times. Math really is not your strong suit! Do you know what average means? You add up all of the classes and divide.


It’s more complicated than that for calculating GPA. It depends on the distribution of grades/credits and how the individual class scores fall in the grade range.

You are disparaging multiple people, some who are better at math than you. No need to be a B about it.


+100. If you are trying to gain sympathy for your crusade against NCS’ grading policy, it’s not working. You are not the best spokesperson.


There are multiple posters clearly.

I am not disparaging anyone and have not done so.

This is not one person at NCS. Multiple current and past parents and students.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.


Depends on what the distribution of the grades are.

What were the grades & credits for each class?


That was all taken into account obviously. .5 credits and full credits taken into account


So A- was the lowest grade in all classes in all quarters?


She said the average for all classes for the semester! Poster has explained this multiple times. Math really is not your strong suit! Do you know what average means? You add up all of the classes and divide.


It’s more complicated than that for calculating GPA. It depends on the distribution of grades/credits and how the individual class scores fall in the grade range.

You are disparaging multiple people, some who are better at math than you. No need to be a B about it.


+100. If you are trying to gain sympathy for your crusade against NCS’ grading policy, it’s not working. You are not the best spokesperson.


I am following the thread and not necessarily an NCS parent. I understand the issue at hand though and agree it is not fair.
Anonymous
So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Sort of. They convert it to a letter grade first then to a 4.0 score. 88 is converted to a B+ then that is converted to a 3.3.

BTW it is is no way ONE NCS mom. Talk to any senior parent or parent of students that graduated last year. They all express the same sentiment. That is who brought it to our attention.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the fundamental problem here that people think an A- should be a 4.0?


Nope not even close!

Problem is that grades averaging to a 90 or above gpa should be a 3.7 not a 3.58 or 3.6.


Depends on what the distribution of the grades are.

What were the grades & credits for each class?


That was all taken into account obviously. .5 credits and full credits taken into account


So A- was the lowest grade in all classes in all quarters?


She said the average for all classes for the semester! Poster has explained this multiple times. Math really is not your strong suit! Do you know what average means? You add up all of the classes and divide.


It’s more complicated than that for calculating GPA. It depends on the distribution of grades/credits and how the individual class scores fall in the grade range.

You are disparaging multiple people, some who are better at math than you. No need to be a B about it.


+100. If you are trying to gain sympathy for your crusade against NCS’ grading policy, it’s not working. You are not the best spokesperson.


There are multiple posters clearly.

I am not disparaging anyone and have not done so.

This is not one person at NCS. Multiple current and past parents and students.


Here were the unnecessary disparaging comments from recent posts:
“Math really is not your strong suit! Do you know what average means? “

“Ignore this poster. They just don't understand.”

“Are you obtuse? Seriously.”

“Oh my goodness please pay attention. “

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Yes. This is it.

The problem is--that converting each class score to the 4.0 scale first and then averaging for GPA is how GPAs are calculated the world over.

Some examples:

UC Berkely: https://reslife.berkeley.edu/gpa-calculator/
Princeton: https://registrar.princeton.edu/student-and-alumni-services/transcript-and-verification-services/calculate-your-gpa
UVA: https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-current-students/current-undergraduate-students/financial-aid-basics/eligibility/satisfactory-academic-progress/gpa-calculator

Shall I go on? You can look up any college and find this.
They all calculate GPA the SAME WAY NCS DOES. They convert each class score to 4.0 and then average for GPA.




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Sort of. They convert it to a letter grade first then to a 4.0 score. 88 is converted to a B+ then that is converted to a 3.3.

BTW it is is no way ONE NCS mom. Talk to any senior parent or parent of students that graduated last year. They all express the same sentiment. That is who brought it to our attention.


That’s the same thing. No extra math there.

This is really how most schools do it. Even top colleges.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Yes. This is it.

The problem is--that converting each class score to the 4.0 scale first and then averaging for GPA is how GPAs are calculated the world over.

Some examples:

UC Berkely: https://reslife.berkeley.edu/gpa-calculator/
Princeton: https://registrar.princeton.edu/student-and-alumni-services/transcript-and-verification-services/calculate-your-gpa
UVA: https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-current-students/current-undergraduate-students/financial-aid-basics/eligibility/satisfactory-academic-progress/gpa-calculator

Shall I go on? You can look up any college and find this.
They all calculate GPA the SAME WAY NCS DOES. They convert each class score to 4.0 and then average for GPA.






That is for CURRENT undergrad students not for admission.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Yes. This is it.

The problem is--that converting each class score to the 4.0 scale first and then averaging for GPA is how GPAs are calculated the world over.

Some examples:

UC Berkely: https://reslife.berkeley.edu/gpa-calculator/
Princeton: https://registrar.princeton.edu/student-and-alumni-services/transcript-and-verification-services/calculate-your-gpa
UVA: https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-current-students/current-undergraduate-students/financial-aid-basics/eligibility/satisfactory-academic-progress/gpa-calculator

Shall I go on? You can look up any college and find this.
They all calculate GPA the SAME WAY NCS DOES. They convert each class score to 4.0 and then average for GPA.




Exactly. This is a very common way to calculate GPA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Sort of. They convert it to a letter grade first then to a 4.0 score. 88 is converted to a B+ then that is converted to a 3.3.

BTW it is is no way ONE NCS mom. Talk to any senior parent or parent of students that graduated last year. They all express the same sentiment. That is who brought it to our attention.


You are nuts. I was a parent in this class (class of 2023). There was no talk about this. NCS calculates GPAs like all colleges do the world over and the rest of us all understand this. It's how my GPA was calculated in college, it's how my husband's was calculated. It's how my kid's GPA was calculated at another private and in MCPS.
You take the number grade received in each class; assign it a course GPA (for example: any final course grade between 90-92 is assigned a 3.7 GPA for that course), average these course GPAs by the number of classes and the weight of each class (i.e. if it is a semester or year long course). There is your GPA.

This OP is a troll. Her 10 page post was deleted on Friday night and it's about to be deleted again. She is just egging all of us on.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Yes. This is it.

The problem is--that converting each class score to the 4.0 scale first and then averaging for GPA is how GPAs are calculated the world over.

Some examples:

UC Berkely: https://reslife.berkeley.edu/gpa-calculator/
Princeton: https://registrar.princeton.edu/student-and-alumni-services/transcript-and-verification-services/calculate-your-gpa
UVA: https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-current-students/current-undergraduate-students/financial-aid-basics/eligibility/satisfactory-academic-progress/gpa-calculator

Shall I go on? You can look up any college and find this.
They all calculate GPA the SAME WAY NCS DOES. They convert each class score to 4.0 and then average for GPA.




Exactly. This is a very common way to calculate GPA.


St. Albans does not do it that way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Sort of. They convert it to a letter grade first then to a 4.0 score. 88 is converted to a B+ then that is converted to a 3.3.

BTW it is is no way ONE NCS mom. Talk to any senior parent or parent of students that graduated last year. They all express the same sentiment. That is who brought it to our attention.


You are nuts. I was a parent in this class (class of 2023). There was no talk about this. NCS calculates GPAs like all colleges do the world over and the rest of us all understand this. It's how my GPA was calculated in college, it's how my husband's was calculated. It's how my kid's GPA was calculated at another private and in MCPS.
You take the number grade received in each class; assign it a course GPA (for example: any final course grade between 90-92 is assigned a 3.7 GPA for that course), average these course GPAs by the number of classes and the weight of each class (i.e. if it is a semester or year long course). There is your GPA.

This OP is a troll. Her 10 page post was deleted on Friday night and it's about to be deleted again. She is just egging all of us on.



I am not the op and did not start this thread. Jeff can verify that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So NCS converts each class score to the 4.0 scale first then averages those for GPA. Upset NCS mom wants to average class scores first before converting to 4.0 scale. Is that accurate?


Yes. This is it.

The problem is--that converting each class score to the 4.0 scale first and then averaging for GPA is how GPAs are calculated the world over.

Some examples:

UC Berkely: https://reslife.berkeley.edu/gpa-calculator/
Princeton: https://registrar.princeton.edu/student-and-alumni-services/transcript-and-verification-services/calculate-your-gpa
UVA: https://sfs.virginia.edu/financial-aid-current-students/current-undergraduate-students/financial-aid-basics/eligibility/satisfactory-academic-progress/gpa-calculator

Shall I go on? You can look up any college and find this.
They all calculate GPA the SAME WAY NCS DOES. They convert each class score to 4.0 and then average for GPA.




Exactly. This is a very common way to calculate GPA.


St. Albans does not do it that way.


well for the one millionth time, STA does their own weird thing. They compute a numeric GPA and you never, ever hear about a GPA on a 4.0 scale. They don't match their numeric GPA to a letter grade.
The compute GPA in a way that no other high schools in DC do and no major universities do.

NCS and STA do entirely different things. In this way and in MANY ways. They are different institutions. If you had kids in both you would realize that about a week in.
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