When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

Just like there is evidence that J6 was instigated by undercover agents from three letter deep state agencies and ANTIFA. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that.

See how this goes?

Show the proof what what you posted.

I showed my work.

You won't be able to because there is ZERO proof of ANTIFA involvement in J6 or any "deep state" instigation of J6 activities. There is proof of Trump cronies in positions of power influencing the activities of Law Enforement and Military on that day, however.

You are posting from your "Bible" MSM and suggesting to atheists that this is the one true way. Then look in wonderment when they scoff at you.

Trump, Ginni, Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Gym Jordan… they were all pretty open about what they were planning. Not a single “antifa” has been named. “Fa” is amply represented though.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

Just like there is evidence that J6 was instigated by undercover agents from three letter deep state agencies and ANTIFA. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that.

See how this goes?

Show the proof what what you posted.

I showed my work.

You won't be able to because there is ZERO proof of ANTIFA involvement in J6 or any "deep state" instigation of J6 activities. There is proof of Trump cronies in positions of power influencing the activities of Law Enforement and Military on that day, however.

You are posting from your "Bible" MSM and suggesting to atheists that this is the one true way. Then look in wonderment when they scoff at you.

Trump, Ginni, Giuliani, Mark Meadows, Gym Jordan… they were all pretty open about what they were planning. Not a single “antifa” has been named. “Fa” is amply represented though.

Perhaps if you badger the meaning of the words "insurrection" or "coup" to fit your warped worldview. You likely have no problem badgering words though, so par for the course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So post something that isn't MSM that shows what Roy Epps did as you allege.

They won't because they either don't have evidence and just "know" it - as if that is supposed to be in any way coherent or credible, or the only so-called evidence they have is from some freakazoid conspiracy rag that has zero track record for truthfulness.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

Prove the bubble wrong. Prove that you aren't a nutjob. Give us credible citations of some big deep state antifa scheme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So post something that isn't MSM that shows what Roy Epps did as you allege.

They won't because they either don't have evidence and just "know" it - as if that is supposed to be in any way coherent or credible, or the only so-called evidence they have is from some freakazoid conspiracy rag that has zero track record for truthfulness.

Yeah, because spy agencies, who regularly conduct information warfare through MSM, are going to tell on themselves through the same MSM .

What other J6ers got 60 minutes puff piece interviews?

See how it goes?

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

Prove the bubble wrong. Prove that you aren't a nutjob. Give us credible citations of some big deep state antifa scheme.

You are completely missing the point. The whole invocation of J6 is a non-sequitur anyway.

As if differing degrees of a particular behavior negates the existence of the same behavior for the other side. No; not how it works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So post something that isn't MSM that shows what Roy Epps did as you allege.

They won't because they either don't have evidence and just "know" it - as if that is supposed to be in any way coherent or credible, or the only so-called evidence they have is from some freakazoid conspiracy rag that has zero track record for truthfulness.

Yeah, because spy agencies, who regularly conduct information warfare through MSM, are going to tell on themselves through the same MSM .

What other J6ers got 60 minutes puff piece interviews?

See how it goes?

Oh so now the "spy agencies" are involved? Are you seriously trying to claim the CIA was involved in J6? And again, without you having even a single shred of credible evidence to prove it?

You just keep showing yourself to be nuttier and nuttier. The exercise was to prove that you are NOT a right wing nutjob. But instead you've only confirmed it.

[Anonymous]

1984 is really instructive in terms of mind control concepts. You have to say that 2+2=5 because The Party defines truth. Truth doesn't exist independently, it is created and defined by The Party. You hear very similar things these days (example: "the science" during covid was political science, not actual science, and compliance was considered a moral obligation).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So post something that isn't MSM that shows what Roy Epps did as you allege.

They won't because they either don't have evidence and just "know" it - as if that is supposed to be in any way coherent or credible, or the only so-called evidence they have is from some freakazoid conspiracy rag that has zero track record for truthfulness.

Yeah, because spy agencies, who regularly conduct information warfare through MSM, are going to tell on themselves through the same MSM .

What other J6ers got 60 minutes puff piece interviews?

See how it goes?

Oh so now the "spy agencies" are involved? Are you seriously trying to claim the CIA was involved in J6? And again, without you having even a single shred of credible evidence to prove it?

You just keep showing yourself to be nuttier and nuttier. The exercise was to prove that you are NOT a right wing nutjob. But instead you've only confirmed it.

No, that is not the exercise. Stop taking the thread off topic. If you want to create another "insurrection" thread, go for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1984 is really instructive in terms of mind control concepts. You have to say that 2+2=5 because The Party defines truth. Truth doesn't exist independently, it is created and defined by The Party. You hear very similar things these days (example: "the science" during covid was political science, not actual science, and compliance was considered a moral obligation).

It's funny because many posters in this thread can't even see it in themselves. SMH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So post something that isn't MSM that shows what Roy Epps did as you allege.

They won't because they either don't have evidence and just "know" it - as if that is supposed to be in any way coherent or credible, or the only so-called evidence they have is from some freakazoid conspiracy rag that has zero track record for truthfulness.

Yeah, because spy agencies, who regularly conduct information warfare through MSM, are going to tell on themselves through the same MSM .

What other J6ers got 60 minutes puff piece interviews?

See how it goes?

Which other coup participants became the target of right wing conspiracies? He’s suing Fox, you know. That kind of thing tends to attract media.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

Prove the bubble wrong. Prove that you aren't a nutjob. Give us credible citations of some big deep state antifa scheme.

You are completely missing the point. The whole invocation of J6 is a non-sequitur anyway.

As if differing degrees of a particular behavior negates the existence of the same behavior for the other side. No; not how it works.

Not at all missing the point. J6 is a perfect illustration. There's position A, that Trump got right wingers riled up with his lies that the election was stolen from him, along with floating the crazy idea that they result of Trump's loss could be overturned, and they stormed the Capitol as a result. There's probably a literal million data points that point to this. And then there's position B, that none of that happened, that instead somehow it was all a false flag by the "deep state" and anarchocommunists designed to make Trump and the right wing look bad. And, there's hardly any evidence at all to support this, and what little weak nonsense they have to point at, has either been repeatedly debunked, has been twisted and contorted beyond recognition (such as Epps), or was outright fabricated and circulated on social media.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

Prove the bubble wrong. Prove that you aren't a nutjob. Give us credible citations of some big deep state antifa scheme.

You are completely missing the point. The whole invocation of J6 is a non-sequitur anyway.

As if differing degrees of a particular behavior negates the existence of the same behavior for the other side. No; not how it works.

Not at all missing the point. J6 is a perfect illustration. There's position A, that Trump got right wingers riled up with his lies that the election was stolen from him, along with floating the crazy idea that they result of Trump's loss could be overturned, and they stormed the Capitol as a result. There's probably a literal million data points that point to this. And then there's position B, that none of that happened, that instead somehow it was all a false flag by the "deep state" and anarchocommunists designed to make Trump and the right wing look bad. And, there's hardly any evidence at all to support this, and what little weak nonsense they have to point at, has either been repeatedly debunked, has been twisted and contorted beyond recognition (such as Epps), or was outright fabricated and circulated on social media.

Yup, still missing the point. And keying on incident as if it is determinative of the entire phenomenon. Next you are going to tell me it was actually Republicans who initiated the "Defund the Police" mantra :roll: .

You are lost in the sauce, my friend.