Sharing pronouns at work

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

So what? Why does it matter what Sarah's gender is? And why would people from other counties care? Many tend to hold conservative/sexist gender rules anyway.

Uhm what??? I'm as liberal as they get but I am also a woman. Straight, short, chubby woman. If someone constantly referred to me in some gender neutral way that would irritate me because I am a woman.

I do respect the wish of anyone to be addressed the way they want to be addressed, but I have that same right.

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

So what? Why does it matter what Sarah's gender is? And why would people from other counties care? Many tend to hold conservative/sexist gender rules anyway.

Uhm what??? I'm as liberal as they get but I am also a woman. Straight, short, chubby woman. If someone constantly referred to me in some gender neutral way that would irritate me because I am a woman.

I do respect the wish of anyone to be addressed the way they want to be addressed, but I have that same right.

So put the stupid pronoun in the stupid email. Nobody cares until you start pushing your values and preferences on others because it makes you feel better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should start including genitalia pictures instead of signature blocks, just so there’s no confusion.

Let's pretend that I identify as a man. If that's true, why would I need to tell people my pronouns? They will see who I am and act accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

So what? Why does it matter what Sarah's gender is? And why would people from other counties care? Many tend to hold conservative/sexist gender rules anyway.

Uhm what??? I'm as liberal as they get but I am also a woman. Straight, short, chubby woman. If someone constantly referred to me in some gender neutral way that would irritate me because I am a woman.

I do respect the wish of anyone to be addressed the way they want to be addressed, but I have that same right.

So put the stupid pronoun in the stupid email. Nobody cares until you start pushing your values and preferences on others because it makes you feel better.

I don't think you know who you are talking to any more because I was saying the same thing but then you went on some tirade about conservative/sexist foreigners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just call people by their names.

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Great solution! Thanks!

Who taught you to write?

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Hey I just called that number and Chicuil is not answering.

I told them to block your number.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should start including genitalia pictures instead of signature blocks, just so there’s no confusion.

Let's pretend that I identify as a man. If that's true, why would I need to tell people my pronouns? They will see who I am and act accordingly.

I would just stop talking to you. You (whatever whoever you are) are too confusing

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

Thanks.

It’s been obvious to all people I’ve met in 43 years on the planet and in every country I’ve visited, but I guess if someone incorrectly thought it was male I’d not be much offended.

Aren't we talking about emails?

I exactly. Also your little bubble of who you’re met doesn’t matter.

So only your bubble matters. Got it. The arguments of the close minded who think they’re open minded is amazing. So delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

Thanks.

It’s been obvious to all people I’ve met in 43 years on the planet and in every country I’ve visited, but I guess if someone incorrectly thought it was male I’d not be much offended.

Aren't we talking about emails?

I exactly. Also your little bubble of who you’re met doesn’t matter.

So only your bubble matters. Got it. The arguments of the close minded who think they’re open minded is amazing. So delusional.

No small minded, no the world matters, nobody’s bubble matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

So what? Why does it matter what Sarah's gender is? And why would people from other counties care? Many tend to hold conservative/sexist gender rules anyway.

Uhm what??? I'm as liberal as they get but I am also a woman. Straight, short, chubby woman. If someone constantly referred to me in some gender neutral way that would irritate me because I am a woman.

I do respect the wish of anyone to be addressed the way they want to be addressed, but I have that same right.

So because one person describes you as gender neutral, you need to announce to everybody that you are a woman?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Serious I don’t GAF that you are LBGTQ … please tell me the gender of
Xiratoe
Punyask
Chiangois
Lireoibgro

I’m writing an email I don’t know your gender. If you’re cool with being “they” then leave it out. If you want to be referred to by your gender please let me know what it is.

I have a gender-ambiguous foreign name. Why do you need to know my gender to write me an email? We use all first names at my company and in external emails as well (I'm a lawyer at a F500 so we are pretty buttoned up but no one is saying Mr or Ms). And you wouldn't be referring to someone in the third person in an email to them, right?

This is separate from trans inclusiveness but it's always brought up and annoys me.

Ciroeak needs access to building 20. Please update her/his/their badge to give her/him/them access.

The server is down. Byhresdy has responded to the emergency. Call her/him/them for testing,

I am more than happy to use they/their/them.

I am a woman with a foreign name where the gender is not obvious. Sometimes I like it when people who have not met me do not know that I am a woman. I believe I am taken more seriously when strangers I am corresponding with via email think I am a man (I work in the tech industry). I don't always want to announce my gender in my signature to avoid anti-woman bias.

I am the other PP with a foreign name. Totally agree on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I were penalized for not sharing pronouns, I would sue. This crap is getting out of hand.

You do not have to share any GD pronouns. It's your right to privacy.

You should check first if you live in an at-will or right-to-work state. You almost certainly do.

You can sue but you will lose. And be fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Global teams is actually where sharing pronouns is useful. There are hardly and trans people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Global teams is actually where sharing pronouns is useful. There are hardly and trans people.

I think a lot of us with ambiguous names are saying we don't care if ppl can tell our gender. Someone who has not met me might imagine I am older/younger, diff gender, diff race etc. So what? I don't really care and maybe it will be clearer if we meet on video or in person. You can avoid pronouns in emails pretty easily if you are not sure, and I am also not that sensitive about some person I've never met referring to me by the wrong pronoun.

All of this is why this makes sense as an option not a req.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Global teams is actually where sharing pronouns is useful. There are hardly and trans people.

I don't understand why it matters whether the coworker is a man or a woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't forcing people to do this also be a micro-aggression?

In what way?

I don't think this is what PP meant, but it does seem like someone struggling with their gender identity could be put in a tough position by having to share their pronouns before being fully "out" to their coworkers. I don't think it should be mandatory, for this reason.