Russia - civil war has broken out

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf is happening?

https://www.ft.com/content/0b57c31b-814d-4554-91d8-d49b066cea69

Russian separatists in Ukraine attacking Russia using American hardware lead by literal white nationalists who have white nationalist clothing brands

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“Andriy Chernyak, an official from Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, HUR, acknowledged for the first time some form of co-operation with the Russian Volunteer Corps and Free Russia Legion.

“Of course, we communicate with them. Of course, we share some information,” Chernyak said. “And, one might say, we even co-operate.”
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Colborne identified another member of the Russian Volunteer Corps in photographs posted by the group during its Belgorod operation as Russian Aleksandr Skachkov, a rightwing extremist. Skachkov was arrested in Ukraine in 2020 during a raid on people selling translations of the manifesto of the gunman behind the 2019 mass shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, according to Bellingcat.”

Another source for non-subscribers: https://www.rt.com/news/576802-pentagon-hardware-belgorod-attack/

So this Russian civil war seems to be nothing but a short-lived raid by Ukraine forces, using American hardware, supported by a few Russian stooges. There were probably more people posting about it on social media than there were participating in the actual "civil war."

Wow, RT. Tell me you're a troll without saying you're a troll. If a couple of hundred lightly armed russians can cross the border of a country at war and capture towns, that's pretty embarrassing for an army that used to be feared

That’s not civil war.

Thread title should be: Ukraine raids Russian border town to distract from loss at Bakhmut.

"Loss at Bakhmut" = Russian cope over taking 11 months to capture two of Ukraine's smallest cities, Soledar and Bakhmut, for a total of 22 square km advance, at the expense of tens of thousands of dead Russian troops and thousands of pieces of armor and artillery. And guess what - the Russians in Bakhmut are now depleted and becoming encircled.

There was a letter to the editor in WAPO this week that asked why we are not seeing more pics and videos of the fighting. Even during Vietnam there were daily reports. I realize that the US is not supposed to have soldiers there, but we are supporting this.
I would be interested in knowing more.

This is either the troll-iest or the dumbest comment I've ever read on DCUM. This is the most recorded war in human history. You know there's this thing called the internet, right? From reddit to twitter there is an endless supply of combat footage from Ukraine. Every day. And much of it incredibly brutal. Just because Fox News doesn't show it to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As to the original poster, while I do believe separatism by ethnic minorities within Russia will be a significant issue in the years ahead, I do not believe that Russians themselves will engage in civil war. Russians are far too docile. Look at their history - Stalinism, famine, unimaginable losses in WWII, gulags, corruption, deprivation, cultural destruction, and losing 200,000 soldiers (so far) in a war that was supposed to last three days. And nothing. No meaningful resistance or desire for change. If it wasn't for Gorbachev, the Politburo would probably still be in power. Most Russians are deeply cynical. And suffering leavened by vodka is the core of their identity.

Who cares what's on the internet. The question is why is this not being seen on Washington Post, CNN, Fox News, New York Times, USA Today, and the broadcast networks.

We all know why it is not shown on Fox and Fox lite(CNN). The other organizations have a lot online if you care to look.

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Anonymous wrote:Russians could care less that McDonald’s is gone and they cannot visit Europe or the west.

Banned from international sports? Don’t care.
We can Belarus and….Belarus.

200k families missing a family member from some rural town - non-issue.

I do not see any revolution happening- not because Russians like Putin; they just do not really care about anything big picture or mourn the ones lost in a small special operation.
Only thing that may unite them is an actual invasion- short of that they are lemmings.

LOL. Oh yeah. When I think of great summer vacation fun, Belarus jumps right up to the top of my list. The swimming pools are better than beaches in Turkey or the Italian or Croatian coasts. I can think of nothing more thrilling for the kids than a tour of the Belarusian State Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War. Yeah.

LOL all of these things are still widely available. Turkey in particular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russians could care less that McDonald’s is gone and they cannot visit Europe or the west.

Banned from international sports? Don’t care.
We can Belarus and….Belarus.

200k families missing a family member from some rural town - non-issue.

I do not see any revolution happening- not because Russians like Putin; they just do not really care about anything big picture or mourn the ones lost in a small special operation.
Only thing that may unite them is an actual invasion- short of that they are lemmings.

Example 1 of lemmings at work

https://youtu.be/-C1LfwmJKtM

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Anonymous wrote:As long as 90% of Russian women continue to do porn who cares what happens to that country?

Really, since the west stopped using their oil and gas their only contribution to the world is on onlyfans.

They have plenty of carrots and cam girls.

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I’ve only read the headline so far but it looks like OP’s headed in the right direction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/24/yevgeniy-prigozhin-war-backfired-revolution/

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Anonymous wrote:Russians could care less that McDonald’s is gone and they cannot visit Europe or the west.

Banned from international sports? Don’t care.
We can Belarus and….Belarus.

200k families missing a family member from some rural town - non-issue.

I do not see any revolution happening- not because Russians like Putin; they just do not really care about anything big picture or mourn the ones lost in a small special operation.
Only thing that may unite them is an actual invasion- short of that they are lemmings.

LOL. Oh yeah. When I think of great summer vacation fun, Belarus jumps right up to the top of my list. The swimming pools are better than beaches in Turkey or the Italian or Croatian coasts. I can think of nothing more thrilling for the kids than a tour of the Belarusian State Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War. Yeah.

LOL all of these things are still widely available. Turkey in particular.

In Belarus? Um.. no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve only read the headline so far but it looks like OP’s headed in the right direction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/24/yevgeniy-prigozhin-war-backfired-revolution/

Seems you're correct.

“Here we are with Ukraine, that is our enemy, in the middle of the war, Russian Volunteer Corps groups come in effortlessly and go through (the border) in tanks and APCs without any repercussions and make their own videos if it,” the Wagner chief vented.
Prigozhin has frequently criticized Russia’s traditional military hierarchy as he sought to win a power struggle against military commanders to lead Putin’s ground effort in eastern Ukraine. Earlier this month he blamed Russian defense chiefs for “tens of thousands” of Wagner casualties because they didn’t have enough ammunition.
But his comments to Dolgov were alarmist even for the free-wheeling Putin ally. As he has frequently done, Prigozhin urged Moscow to step up its war in order to defeat Ukraine – urging Putin to “declare a martial law and a new wave of mobilization.”
A Ukrainian serviceman checks Russian positions after a fight, as Russia's attack on Ukraine continues, near the front line city of Bakhmut, in Donetsk region, Ukraine May 11, 2023.
Wagner forces claim to have taken Bakhmut. But Ukraine's forces could still exact a heavy toll
He warned that if Russian losses continue to mount, “all these divisions can end in what is a revolution, just like in 1917.”
“First the soldiers will stand up, and after that – their loved ones will rise up. It is wrong to think that there are hundreds of them – there are already tens of thousands of them – relatives of those killed,” he said. “And there will probably be hundreds of thousands – we cannot avoid that.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/europe/wagner-prigozhin-russia-manpower-ukraine-intl/index.html

I almost feel sorry for Prigozhin. Almost. Why?

"In wartime, all alarmists are executed on the spot."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en

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There is no civil war, no insurrection, no fire... *cough cough*

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/25/moscow-mystery-surrounds-blaze-at-russian-ministry-of-defence-building-18841853/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wtf is happening?

https://www.ft.com/content/0b57c31b-814d-4554-91d8-d49b066cea69

Russian separatists in Ukraine attacking Russia using American hardware lead by literal white nationalists who have white nationalist clothing brands

—————
“Andriy Chernyak, an official from Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, HUR, acknowledged for the first time some form of co-operation with the Russian Volunteer Corps and Free Russia Legion.

“Of course, we communicate with them. Of course, we share some information,” Chernyak said. “And, one might say, we even co-operate.”
——————

Colborne identified another member of the Russian Volunteer Corps in photographs posted by the group during its Belgorod operation as Russian Aleksandr Skachkov, a rightwing extremist. Skachkov was arrested in Ukraine in 2020 during a raid on people selling translations of the manifesto of the gunman behind the 2019 mass shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, according to Bellingcat.”

Another source for non-subscribers: https://www.rt.com/news/576802-pentagon-hardware-belgorod-attack/

So this Russian civil war seems to be nothing but a short-lived raid by Ukraine forces, using American hardware, supported by a few Russian stooges. There were probably more people posting about it on social media than there were participating in the actual "civil war."

Wow, RT. Tell me you're a troll without saying you're a troll. If a couple of hundred lightly armed russians can cross the border of a country at war and capture towns, that's pretty embarrassing for an army that used to be feared

That’s not civil war.

Thread title should be: Ukraine raids Russian border town to distract from loss at Bakhmut.

"Loss at Bakhmut" = Russian cope over taking 11 months to capture two of Ukraine's smallest cities, Soledar and Bakhmut, for a total of 22 square km advance, at the expense of tens of thousands of dead Russian troops and thousands of pieces of armor and artillery. And guess what - the Russians in Bakhmut are now depleted and becoming encircled.

There was a letter to the editor in WAPO this week that asked why we are not seeing more pics and videos of the fighting. Even during Vietnam there were daily reports. I realize that the US is not supposed to have soldiers there, but we are supporting this.
I would be interested in knowing more.

As to the original poster, while I do believe separatism by ethnic minorities within Russia will be a significant issue in the years ahead, I do not believe that Russians themselves will engage in civil war. Russians are far too docile. Look at their history - Stalinism, famine, unimaginable losses in WWII, gulags, corruption, deprivation, cultural destruction, and losing 200,000 soldiers (so far) in a war that was supposed to last three days. And nothing. No meaningful resistance or desire for change. If it wasn't for Gorbachev, the Politburo would probably still be in power. Most Russians are deeply cynical. And suffering leavened by vodka is the core of their identity.

Every single thing you listed from the USSR days applied equally to every single ethnicity within it, including Ukrainians. It was a Soviet problem, not a Russian problem. Soviet history, not Russian history. Gulags, WW2 losses, corruption, deprivation describes the entire FSU space, not just Russia. Yes, including Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no civil war, no insurrection, no fire... *cough cough*

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/25/moscow-mystery-surrounds-blaze-at-russian-ministry-of-defence-building-18841853/

Ukrainians were committing terror attacks before the "civil war." This is nothing new.

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Well, he’s not biased at all!

[Anonymous]

“[Putin] will remain as a near-Hitler, as one of the worst dictators, one of the persons who started one of the cruelest wars in in Europe. He wanted to live on in the history of Russia and the world somewhere in between Peter I and Catherine the Great. But he will be somewhere between Hitler and [former Libyan leader Muammar] Qaddafi."

Interesting read from someone who actually knows Russian challenges ahead.

Interesting read

Interview: The 'War Of Clans For Putin's Throne Has Begun'

https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-clans-war-russia-interview-succession-ukraine-war/32425962.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“[Putin] will remain as a near-Hitler, as one of the worst dictators, one of the persons who started one of the cruelest wars in in Europe. He wanted to live on in the history of Russia and the world somewhere in between Peter I and Catherine the Great. But he will be somewhere between Hitler and [former Libyan leader Muammar] Qaddafi."

Interesting read from someone who actually knows Russian challenges ahead.

Interesting read

Interview: The 'War Of Clans For Putin's Throne Has Begun'

https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-clans-war-russia-interview-succession-ukraine-war/32425962.html

On the scale of Europe’s cruelest wars, this one doesn’t even register.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“[Putin] will remain as a near-Hitler, as one of the worst dictators, one of the persons who started one of the cruelest wars in in Europe. He wanted to live on in the history of Russia and the world somewhere in between Peter I and Catherine the Great. But he will be somewhere between Hitler and [former Libyan leader Muammar] Qaddafi."

Interesting read from someone who actually knows Russian challenges ahead.

Interesting read

Interview: The 'War Of Clans For Putin's Throne Has Begun'

https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-clans-war-russia-interview-succession-ukraine-war/32425962.html

On the scale of Europe’s cruelest wars, this one doesn’t even register.

On the scale of “with modernity we ought to know better” it does.