Gosselins

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

maybe she shouldn’t have had six children at one time then … wtf do you think we responsible people only have the number of children we can care for? given how incredibly publicized the family was, I doubt there’s some big secret about what he did.

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Anonymous wrote:Last week Jon posted a pic of all the sextuplets as little kids and captioned it, “happy birthday to ALL my kids”…ouch!

It's interesting because Mady, Cara, and the two girl sextuplets that stayed with Kate did a live not too long ago and said that the public shouldn't believe what they heard about the cause of the rift. This was shortly after Collin did that interview. They didn't elaborate but did say that no, the "Kate kids" do not interact with the "Jon kids" and vice versa. Jon doesn't see any of the kids who live with Kate. Kate doesn't see the kids that live with Jon either.

Terribly sad. All Mady would say is that there are things the public will never know for the reasons for what went down.

So, basically, this is either a textbook example of parental poisoning and what happens when a select group stops believing the poisoning lies, OR something majorly nefarious went down that caused Kate to expel Collin and then later Hannah.

It was clearly Kate who expelled Collin but from what I've read it was Hannah's decision to move in with Jon. Kate didn't "expel" Hannah, it actually seemed to be more of Hannah expelling Kate, although Hannah has indicated that she and Kate are not totally estranged. Also, Kate showed up at H & C's high school graduation in PA, but only interacted with Hannah.

Collin was only 12 when Kate sent him away- what the heck could be so nefarious that a 12 year old could do for his mother to 'expel' him? In a loving family, I can't think of anything. I have a 12 year old, and even if they did something truly truly horrible, I would still maintain contact! Maybe at a distance, but cutting my own flesh and blood off entirely, especially at age TWELVE, just doesn't compute. I'm thinking of something like murder...but if Collin truly did do something that horrible, you'd think that would have gotten out to the media, no?


Long way of saying...I don't think anything majorly nefarious went down, I think Kate is just a narcissist and Collin wasn't afraid to call her out on her BS and that is just not ok in Kate's world. So he had to be gone. Just like Aunt Jodi and her husband, just like Beth Carson, just like her parents...

Josh Duggar is one example of why a 12 yr old should be sent away from siblings and get serious behavior therapy. You are very naive to think a 12 yr old can't do horrendous things to their siblings and other family members, pets, etc. Kate visited him at the institution, we really don't know what happened.

I don’t believe Kate had visited him for sometime when join eventually found him and got him out of the home. She left him there and would not tell the other custodial parent where she moved him to…this was so wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

maybe she shouldn’t have had six children at one time then … wtf do you think we responsible people only have the number of children we can care for? given how incredibly publicized the family was, I doubt there’s some big secret about what he did.

I can't help but compare this to Josh Duggar. Do you realize that Josh admits he started molesting his sisters in 2000 when he was 12? He was continuing this and other behaviors when their show started in 2008. Secrets are often kept, no matter how public the family is.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

How did Collin enlist in the military if he has such severe emotional problems? 🤔 I thought that was disqualifying.

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Anonymous wrote:Hannah and Collin will be featured on a show called "The Dark Side of the 2000s" next week and discuss the estranged relationship between Kate and Collin. I plan to watch.

https://www.today.com/parents/celebrity/collin-gosselin-kate-gosselin-vice-rcna93561

They should not be allowed to do this.

Why? They are both adults- recently turned 19.

That's legality. Emotionally they are children. They should not talk publicly to strangers about their family. A therapist? Sure. Friends? Sure. Strangers all over the world? No.

Why? It is their story to tell. Kate has spoke openly about Collin's supposed "issues" and that she sent him away - why should she be the only one who gets to control the narrative?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

How did Collin enlist in the military if he has such severe emotional problems? 🤔 I thought that was disqualifying.

Has he enlisted or just talked about it?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

How did Collin enlist in the military if he has such severe emotional problems? 🤔 I thought that was disqualifying.

Has he enlisted or just talked about it?

Yes, he enlisted in USMC. Sounds like he's headed to Parris Island soon.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.

maybe she shouldn’t have had six children at one time then … wtf do you think we responsible people only have the number of children we can care for? given how incredibly publicized the family was, I doubt there’s some big secret about what he did.

You meant they shouldn’t have had 6 kids. Not just her correct?

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Some diary entries from when Collin was TWO. She's always had it out for that poor boy.

I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy!
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Today was another 2 year old rough day! At nap (or even before the official start) they stripped again and got spankings, then after nap, a few more stripped and joel shredded a book as well as a paper shredder would! Then Alexis took the recycling off the counter and the final straw,… Collin pulled my press n seal off the counter and pulled ten feet or more off the almost new roll!!!!1 I was out of control so I made him goto his room until I could settle!UGH I hate this two year old naughtiness stuff!
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Oh I wanted to mention my stress melt down today. After dealing with insurance companies all day due to being sideswiped by the old lady in the Shillington farmers market parking lot and having to file those reports, then having Heather stop by unannounced and it was the girls first day back to school after vacation, then Alexis and her ear pain and trying to make her an appt to see the doctor at a ret a r ted practice, I let the kids play for the first time in the water table that had beans in it instead…. Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside. Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs…I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard! I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day!
I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!
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Collin continues to try my nerves! He is really extremely helpful and I can count on him to get the job done one minute and the next he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!!
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Today they were actually naughtier than normal. Collin and Aaden continue to try my patience as usual. It is as if they set out to do exactly what I have just asked them not to immediately after I tell them not to! It is soooo frustrating and I can’t say that I am as patient as I should be…in fact, I am plain rough sometimes in response to their constant disobedience!!!
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some diary entries from when Collin was TWO. She's always had it out for that poor boy.

I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy!
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Today was another 2 year old rough day! At nap (or even before the official start) they stripped again and got spankings, then after nap, a few more stripped and joel shredded a book as well as a paper shredder would! Then Alexis took the recycling off the counter and the final straw,… Collin pulled my press n seal off the counter and pulled ten feet or more off the almost new roll!!!!1 I was out of control so I made him goto his room until I could settle!UGH I hate this two year old naughtiness stuff!
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Oh I wanted to mention my stress melt down today. After dealing with insurance companies all day due to being sideswiped by the old lady in the Shillington farmers market parking lot and having to file those reports, then having Heather stop by unannounced and it was the girls first day back to school after vacation, then Alexis and her ear pain and trying to make her an appt to see the doctor at a ret a r ted practice, I let the kids play for the first time in the water table that had beans in it instead…. Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside. Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs…I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard! I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day!
I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!
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Collin continues to try my nerves! He is really extremely helpful and I can count on him to get the job done one minute and the next he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!!
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Today they were actually naughtier than normal. Collin and Aaden continue to try my patience as usual. It is as if they set out to do exactly what I have just asked them not to immediately after I tell them not to! It is soooo frustrating and I can’t say that I am as patient as I should be…in fact, I am plain rough sometimes in response to their constant disobedience!!!
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Who wrote this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some diary entries from when Collin was TWO. She's always had it out for that poor boy.

I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy!
--
Today was another 2 year old rough day! At nap (or even before the official start) they stripped again and got spankings, then after nap, a few more stripped and joel shredded a book as well as a paper shredder would! Then Alexis took the recycling off the counter and the final straw,… Collin pulled my press n seal off the counter and pulled ten feet or more off the almost new roll!!!!1 I was out of control so I made him goto his room until I could settle!UGH I hate this two year old naughtiness stuff!
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Oh I wanted to mention my stress melt down today. After dealing with insurance companies all day due to being sideswiped by the old lady in the Shillington farmers market parking lot and having to file those reports, then having Heather stop by unannounced and it was the girls first day back to school after vacation, then Alexis and her ear pain and trying to make her an appt to see the doctor at a ret a r ted practice, I let the kids play for the first time in the water table that had beans in it instead…. Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside. Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs…I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard! I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day!
I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!
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Collin continues to try my nerves! He is really extremely helpful and I can count on him to get the job done one minute and the next he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!!
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Today they were actually naughtier than normal. Collin and Aaden continue to try my patience as usual. It is as if they set out to do exactly what I have just asked them not to immediately after I tell them not to! It is soooo frustrating and I can’t say that I am as patient as I should be…in fact, I am plain rough sometimes in response to their constant disobedience!!!
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Who wrote this?

Kate.

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^is this from Kate? Sounds like a teenage diary.

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I watched the Vice special. Not much new information, but some interesting points:

• The way Jon noticed that Collin was gone was because Jon would go to the kid’s school during lunch to eat with them. He said this was the only time he ever got to see the kids collectively. He noticed Collin was gone and the other kids were not saying where he was. He asked a guidance counselor who told him Collin was no longer enrolled, but would not give him any further information.

• Jon said Kate sent Collin away once he started to disclose the abuse he was facing at home to teachers and other adults.

• Hannah said the siblings did not know where Collin was, and that when she found out, she did not want to go back home to Kate because she was angry. This resulted in a fight between Jon and Kate over Hannah and her custody.

• Hannah also said all the siblings know what actually happened to Collin now, but that they still chose not to have a relationship with him. She does not disclose why, nor do the producers ask, but Hannah seems incredulous over her sibling’s decision to not speak to Collin even after finding out the truth.

- Hannah said that when she initially moved in with Jon, she had no relationship with Kate. Now (this was filmed in January 2023 or late 2022) she is working on bettering that
relationship and at least speaking to her mom.

• Collin got into a nearly fatal accident last year and none of his other siblings nor his mom reached out to him. He said he still loves his siblings to death and hopes they can reconnect one day.

Overall, this left me with more questions than answers. Hannah participated in this and seems to be firmly on Collin’s side and seems to not understand how their siblings could do that to Collin even after finding out the truth. However, a few months later, she was on lives with her sisters who were throwing shade at their brother and saying she would never do a tell all without her siblings consent, KNOWING this was filmed and would eventually come out.

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Anonymous wrote:^is this from Kate? Sounds like a teenage diary.

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here, she goes to UMiami

No she doesn't. She's still in high school and will be graduating soon.

Collin intends to join the military (or already joined?). Mady and Cara are graduating from Syracuse and Fordham this year. Not sure what the other 5 plans are.

How did they afford the out of state tuition?

Mady has said on tiktok that she is not receiving parental help for college and has loans. I believe Alexis also said that she's paying for college. Pretty despicable that their parents blew all that money instead of helping their kids out.

Kate controlled all the money. This isn't Dad's fault. She blew the money or is keeping it for herself. If she doesn't have a relationship with Dad, not his responsibility.

It’s not his fault he couldn’t keep a job or contribute financially for his family?