Is 2024 about trans/crime/dei vs abortion and book banning type of issues?

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Anonymous wrote:Being that the supreme court is conservative, is the trans issue really an issue in terms of laws? I assume it won't get too crazy with allowances simply because the supreme court is conservative. I think most people are against trans people being classified in the same way biological sex is and they are against kids getting surgeries before 18. They are for everyone feeling safe from harm.

SCOTUS is the reason federal laws are now being changed to be inclusive of trans people. With Gorsuch voting with the liberal justices, they said trans discrimination is sex discrimination in the Bostock v Clayton County decision.

Are you saying you think this decision was a mistake and transgender people should be able to be fired just for being trans and forced into the underground economy?

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These are the types of folks concerned about trans people.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I'm not sure why you think you speak for all swing voters. I'm a swing voter as well and several "woke" issues will absolutely influence how I vote.

I don't speak for all. I'm making predictions the same as other posters. Is there room for more than you to have predictions?

It sounds more like you are universalizing your personal opinions and feelings rather than looking at any data for these “predictions”. The reality is “woke” issues are in the news because it’s generating clicks. it’s something many people care about, even if you don’t.

All this “woke” stuff generates clicks and is fresh meat for the very online people, but regular people do not care about it.

This is true. Normies simply can't get excited about pronouns. It's a nonstarter. They are looking for substantive change, not New World Order garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I'm not sure why you think you speak for all swing voters. I'm a swing voter as well and several "woke" issues will absolutely influence how I vote.

I don't speak for all. I'm making predictions the same as other posters. Is there room for more than you to have predictions?

It sounds more like you are universalizing your personal opinions and feelings rather than looking at any data for these “predictions”. The reality is “woke” issues are in the news because it’s generating clicks. it’s something many people care about, even if you don’t.

All this “woke” stuff generates clicks and is fresh meat for the very online people, but regular people do not care about it.

This is true. Normies simply can't get excited about pronouns. It's a nonstarter. They are looking for substantive change, not New World Order garbage.

+1 Go listen to some focus groups. This ish gets zero traction.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I'm not sure why you think you speak for all swing voters. I'm a swing voter as well and several "woke" issues will absolutely influence how I vote.

I don't speak for all. I'm making predictions the same as other posters. Is there room for more than you to have predictions?

It sounds more like you are universalizing your personal opinions and feelings rather than looking at any data for these “predictions”. The reality is “woke” issues are in the news because it’s generating clicks. it’s something many people care about, even if you don’t.

All this “woke” stuff generates clicks and is fresh meat for the very online people, but regular people do not care about it.

This is true. Normies simply can't get excited about pronouns. It's a nonstarter. They are looking for substantive change, not New World Order garbage.

My poor dear Joe Biden. What happened to him. I swear he will have Dylan Mullvaney introduce him at the DNC

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I agree with alot of this, except the economy is only going to be an issue if we're in a recession. I don't know who to vote for. On the one hand, 6 week abortion band are so overwhelming dumb and not based in any science whatsoever that I can't vote for anyone who has such an extreme position. On the other hand, I am mad about the erosion of women's protections by the trans women community. It's infuriating that I'm supposed to welcome biological men into what were supposed to be the spaces carved out for us. It's also anti science.

Basically I think democrats lack common sense and have never been able to figure out cause and effect very well. But I want abortion access and gun control. Republicans are unhinged about abortion and guns, but at least they don't try and gas light me all the time over sex issues. They were also objectively right about the best way to deal with Covid and usually right about crime.

All I want is a moderate candidate who understands China is a threat.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I agree with alot of this, except the economy is only going to be an issue if we're in a recession. I don't know who to vote for. On the one hand, 6 week abortion band are so overwhelming dumb and not based in any science whatsoever that I can't vote for anyone who has such an extreme position. On the other hand, I am mad about the erosion of women's protections by the trans women community. It's infuriating that I'm supposed to welcome biological men into what were supposed to be the spaces carved out for us. It's also anti science.

Basically I think democrats lack common sense and have never been able to figure out cause and effect very well. But I want abortion access and gun control. Republicans are unhinged about abortion and guns, but at least they don't try and gas light me all the time over sex issues. They were also objectively right about the best way to deal with Covid and usually right about crime.

All I want is a moderate candidate who understands China is a threat.

The Dems will win with or without you. The right offers nothing

[Anonymous]

Considering that the right wing freakout over Dylan Mulvaney only cost Anheuser Busch 0.4% in sales, and their stocks actually went UP I don't think that the right's anti-trans crusade is going to help them any.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean really are the major issues for presidential voters going to be people’s distaste with how lenient the democrats are on crime with their progressive criminal justice reforms that lead to increased crime, and how vocal they are about minute subsets of the American public (trans people) vs. how insane right wing politicians have become with banning abortion and are trying to basically remove the ability to vote for many people through their policies?

It’s sort of woke blowback annoyance from voters vs their fear of repressive, regressive religiously motivated anti-abortion right wingers. Is that a relatively coherent summation?

Broadly speaking, yes. It looks like it will come down to which is the lesser of two evils: the unhealthy obsession with wokery/DEI/CRT/defund police/exploding black crime/trans activism/denial of biological reality versus banning abortion.

I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the abortion banning people.

I have to admit I never thought the Democrats would end up where they are now. They have more in common with the intelligent design is science people of 1995 than intelligence, logic, and sensibility.

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Missouri defunded all state libraries in retaliation for being criticized for book banning... wtf is going on in the GOP??

They've really are the party against education.

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Missouri defunded all state libraries in retaliation for being criticized for book banning... wtf is going on in the GOP??

They've really are the party against education.

What is a state library? Do all states have those?

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Anonymous wrote:Why in hell are some people so obsessed with the 0.1% of people who are trans?

I personally don't care, except for two observations:

1.) trans people, as with anyone else using medical alterations such as steroids, should not be allowed into competitive sports

2.) public bathrooms, showers, and changing rooms should have separate stalls, locking floor to ceiling doors for privacy in the first place regardless of it's all women or not.

How much will it cost schools to implement this? Wouldn't that money be better spent on education?

The GOP hates education. They prefer to funnel money to churches and private equity via charters and private schools. And they attack teachers unions and push for wasting money on stupid crap like making all school windows bulletproof to withstand war guns. Cause that’s affordable and a sane use of money.

No one group caused the death spiral of public education than democrats that refused to open schools during the pandemic. Don’t ever forget that, because most parents never will.

My FCPS students were attending pretend school long after their cousins in both red and blue states were back in the classroom. I blame the democrats on our school board and the democrats at the state level who let them get away with it. For anyone saying that it isn't an issue

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/online-learning-covid-19-detrimental-adolescent-mental-health-school-satisfaction-performance

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/22/02/harvard-edcast-negative-effects-remote-learning-childrens-wellbeing

https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/COVID-pandemic-remote-learning-affected-high-schoolers-social-emotional-health

I bet those states hemorrhaged the loss of more teachers than your kid’s’ school. Ask yourself who was and is teaching those students now. In Florida, the answer is anyone who was prior military. No experience required. No degree required. Military experience. That’s the only requirement to backfill the teacher loss when teachers left the classroom because DeSantis kept the schools open.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm apparently in the minority on this, but I'm hoping 2024 is a referendum on WWIII. I just don't if we'll have a "no" candidate to choose.

Care to expand? Let me guess, you’re against helping Ukraine? I would say the majority of people are against WW3. In what ways do you want presidential candidates to avoid it?

The Donbas and Taiwan are the two most likely flashpoints. I'd want a candidate committed to de-escalation. There are multiple paths to de-escalation and I'm open to creativity on those fronts.

To me, whether one group of Russian speakers pay taxes to Moscow or Kiev, or a group of Mandarin speakers pay taxes to Beijing or Taipei is dwarfed by domestic concerns. I just don't think the lives of friends and family are worth it.

While very few truly want WWIII, many people will let themselves get escalated into it. I want leadership that can see the path that leads to war, and get off it before its too late. We do this on a personal level, in that we all learn that some times its best to just walk away. Not every insult, threat or slight needs to be met with retaliation.

Exactly. Maybe the USA should expand into Canada. Both peoples speak English.

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Anonymous wrote:My prediction... top issue is the economy.

Abortion will become an issue if the candidates take extreme positions. For example, I was leaning towards DeSantis and then he went for a 6 week ban. Too far. If he had done a 12 or 14 week ban, it would have been a non-issue. Most voters are like this-- neither want total freedom to about up to kindergarten nor restrictions that effectively ban it in most normal cases.

Ukraine and Taiwan will be an issue, along with positions related to America's waning influence abroad (especially if the dollar continues to fall out of favor).

Border security will be a major issue.

Crime will be a major issue.

Woke issues will become an issue bc people are getting tired of it. But I think the kind of people who will vote on these issues are not swing voters anyway. I'm a swing voter who has had it with woke stuff, but it won't sway my vote either way.

I agree with alot of this, except the economy is only going to be an issue if we're in a recession. I don't know who to vote for. On the one hand, 6 week abortion band are so overwhelming dumb and not based in any science whatsoever that I can't vote for anyone who has such an extreme position. On the other hand, I am mad about the erosion of women's protections by the trans women community. It's infuriating that I'm supposed to welcome biological men into what were supposed to be the spaces carved out for us. It's also anti science.

Basically I think democrats lack common sense and have never been able to figure out cause and effect very well. But I want abortion access and gun control. Republicans are unhinged about abortion and guns, but at least they don't try and gas light me all the time over sex issues. They were also objectively right about the best way to deal with Covid and usually right about crime.

All I want is a moderate candidate who understands China is a threat.

The Dems will win with or without you. The right offers nothing

JD Vance, Abbott, DeSantis and kemp says hello.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean really are the major issues for presidential voters going to be people’s distaste with how lenient the democrats are on crime with their progressive criminal justice reforms that lead to increased crime, and how vocal they are about minute subsets of the American public (trans people) vs. how insane right wing politicians have become with banning abortion and are trying to basically remove the ability to vote for many people through their policies?

It’s sort of woke blowback annoyance from voters vs their fear of repressive, regressive religiously motivated anti-abortion right wingers. Is that a relatively coherent summation?

Broadly speaking, yes. It looks like it will come down to which is the lesser of two evils: the unhealthy obsession with wokery/DEI/CRT/defund police/exploding black crime/trans activism/denial of biological reality versus banning abortion.

I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the abortion banning people.

I have to admit I never thought the Democrats would end up where they are now. They have more in common with the intelligent design is science people of 1995 than intelligence, logic, and sensibility.

Girl please. You know you’re lying. You will not hold your nose. You will proudly vote for Gilead. Yes you will aunt Lydia.