Number of Longfellow kids admitted to TJ in 2022

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

This is 10000% spot on. Given TJ's national reputation, there should be very few people in the area who is qualified who decides not to apply, or who is offered admission and turns it down.

Perhaps applications are down because people have heard about how the rigor went up?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

Your argument is not sound. Fewer applicants does not suggest anything of the kind, it in fact suggests the opposite; that students are not interested and do not want to apply. And if you want to know the truth as to WHY that is, it is because kids simply do not want to spend their high school hyper focused on academics. Yes, it's uncomfortable for me to say it and for us to accept it, but it is the truth: TJ has a reputation of being extremely challenging academically and few kids outside of the usual TJ demographic are prepared to sacrifice other aspects of their high school experience to go to TJ. The kids know this; they know it means a lot of really hard work and very little time to have fun and socialize, and they are just not interested. It's a choice, there's nothing wrong with it. Simply put, the academic vibe at TJ doesn't jive culturally with most demographics. Even within the Asian community there are kids who shouldn't go but are nevertheless coerced into it by their family.

There is nothing that needs to change at TJ, it is simply a place for those who want to fully devote their high school experience to academics. One doesn't need to engineer artificial situations to make it more desirable for those who don't want to go. Simply make the application process free and socialize it at every school so every student is aware that they can apply if they want to. If students are truly interested, they will come.

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It’s a bit of a negative feedback loop. There’s a community of TJ alumni who are extremely worried that TJ has lost its cachet in certain circles and have invested enormous amounts of time trying to change TJ admissions so that it’s cool to attend to TJ again (and they can continue to take as much pride in their TJ diplomas). In large measure that has involved stigmatizing the Asian students who have sustained the school for years. But the Asian kids get the message that their presence is less valued and an increasing number of qualified kids no longer apply to TJ. The net result is a stagnant and more recently declining applicant pool.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a bit of a negative feedback loop. There’s a community of TJ alumni who are extremely worried that TJ has lost its cachet in certain circles and have invested enormous amounts of time trying to change TJ admissions so that it’s cool to attend to TJ again (and they can continue to take as much pride in their TJ diplomas). In large measure that has involved stigmatizing the Asian students who have sustained the school for years. But the Asian kids get the message that their presence is less valued and an increasing number of qualified kids no longer apply to TJ. The net result is a stagnant and more recently declining applicant pool.

No this doesn't really make sense, TJ is already top ranked nationally; it hasn't lost anything. I doubt any alumni worry about that or really care at all. If anything, some alumni who had a bad experience with regards to pressure/stress might care about making it better in terms of lowering that stress.

Also, Asians are not any less interested in attending than before; it's that the other demographics that are not really interested by comparison. And that makes sense as I explained in the prior post, a culture of academics above all else just isn't popular in non-Asian circles. Just look at the local schools, sports dominates the culture over academics and it will continue to be that way. Kids these days are brought up to value hard work less than in the past, so if they perceive an environment of all work and no fun, they will not want to attend.

TJ is a niche environment for kids who are smart/nerdy, are motivated and willing to work hard, and also feel like they can belong. Compare that to a base school where they would have a hard time finding a large enough peer group with similar interests. At TJ they don't have to worry about that since academics IS the culture; everything else might also exists but takes a big backseat. The college analogy to this is MIT/Caltech (and very few others) compared with some random school. Completely different environments.

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With the admissions changes, more non-Asian families have experienced TJ from the inside. Some of those families have students who were not able to handle the academic rigor. When they left, they have let everyone at their base high schools know that TJ is no joke. This has led to a decline in interest in the borderline prospective students who think TJ would be a good spot for them.

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“ it is simply a place for those who want to fully devote their high school experience to academics. ”

That is the impression I had until my kid went there. Maybe it is true for some kids and it may have been the case before the school culture reforms the current principal instituted but it’s not my kid’s experience nor does it seem most other freshman are skipping the extracurricular options TJ offers.

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“ TJ is a niche environment for kids who are smart/nerdy, are motivated and willing to work hard, and also feel like they can belong. Compare that to a base school where they would have a hard time finding a large enough peer group with similar interests. At TJ they don't have to worry about that since academics IS the culture; ”

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This is what makes it a great fit for kids that thrive on that feel.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

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Anonymous wrote:“ it is simply a place for those who want to fully devote their high school experience to academics. ”

That is the impression I had until my kid went there. Maybe it is true for some kids and it may have been the case before the school culture reforms the current principal instituted but it’s not my kid’s experience nor does it seem most other freshman are skipping the extracurricular options TJ offers.

Yeah I mean the only issue is the amount of pressure kids put on each other especially if they're comparing themselves to everyone around them with an eye toward college. When they do too much of that, they may feel forced to try to do too many things and end up being spread thin. This is sometimes is fine because they discover things they enjoy that they may not have gotten to experience until college, but other times it's a bad idea when they're involved with too many things and don't have enough time to sleep or relax for a bit. But this is a standard drawback at any intense place; people say the exact same thing about MIT, Caltech, or any other place where the whole peer groups is extremely strong where everyone feels the 'impostor syndrome'.

For kids who can sort of figure out how to relax and not worry so much about what others are doing and trust that it will be ok as long as they stay interested and happy, and first and foremost primarily focus on academics, then branch out on a few other interests they have if time allows it, TJ could be a fantastic experience.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

Your argument is not sound. Fewer applicants does not suggest anything of the kind, it in fact suggests the opposite; that students are not interested and do not want to apply. And if you want to know the truth as to WHY that is, it is because kids simply do not want to spend their high school hyper focused on academics. Yes, it's uncomfortable for me to say it and for us to accept it, but it is the truth: TJ has a reputation of being extremely challenging academically and few kids outside of the usual TJ demographic are prepared to sacrifice other aspects of their high school experience to go to TJ. The kids know this; they know it means a lot of really hard work and very little time to have fun and socialize, and they are just not interested. It's a choice, there's nothing wrong with it. Simply put, the academic vibe at TJ doesn't jive culturally with most demographics. Even within the Asian community there are kids who shouldn't go but are nevertheless coerced into it by their family.

There is nothing that needs to change at TJ, it is simply a place for those who want to fully devote their high school experience to academics. One doesn't need to engineer artificial situations to make it more desirable for those who don't want to go. Simply make the application process free and socialize it at every school so every student is aware that they can apply if they want to. If students are truly interested, they will come.

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Also, Asians are not any less interested in attending than before;

I know Asian families that decided not to apply for TJ after the admissions changes, feeling it would be of lower quality and not worth the effort. These were Loudoun families.

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Also, Asians are not any less interested in attending than before;

I know Asian families that decided not to apply for TJ after the admissions changes, feeling it would be of lower quality and not worth the effort. These were Loudoun families.

Their loss...

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Also, Asians are not any less interested in attending than before;

I know Asian families that decided not to apply for TJ after the admissions changes, feeling it would be of lower quality and not worth the effort. These were Loudoun families.

Honestly I really struggle to understand why so many from Loudoun want to send their kids. That commute is just SO far. Especially when they have the Academy as an option now right in Loudoun.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

Many highly qualified kids don't want to attend TJ, simply because they and their parents understand that they'll get better college admissions if they're at the top of their base school than they get if they're middle of the pack at TJ. Some others don't want to attend because it's too much work. These aren't problems that need to be solved.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a rising 7th grader, will be in Algebra 1 and is generally a strong student. He will apply for TJ but if not accepted then he will be equally happy at McLean HS as well.

I am just trying to gauge realistic chances, I googled and it said 62 kids but then on this board someone mentioned 42, I would appreciate if someone can share the correct number. TIA!

Seems like Longfellow kids have some of the best odds of any school!

No... quite literally the exact opposite. If one takes a randomly chosen applicant from the FCPS pool, applying from Longfellow is one of the worst odds as there is a very, very small chance the applicant would fall in the top 1.5%. Take a randomly chosen applicant and send them from Poe MS, then there is a higher probability that they would fall into the top 1.5% of reserved seats.

The odds of getting into TJ from Longfellow were higher than from any other AAP center with a substantial number of TJ applicants, at least last year, as the prior post indicates.

There are some middle schools that only had a limited number of applicants to TJ in the Class of 2026. Schools with less than 20 applicants included Stone (11), Whitman (13), Herndon (15), Liberty (16), and Poe (17). So, depending on the number of kids at those schools who ended up admitted to TJ, either based on the 1.5% set aside or from the residual pool, the admissions rate from some of those schools likely was higher than the rate at Longfellow (26.2%). But then, if you don't get into TJ, you don't have McLean as your back-up option.

I have no idea how they determine top students at Longfellow or anywhere else. My kid is a freshman at mclean. He probably would have gotten into TJ on the old system (he just kills math tests - no idea why). He had all A’s in honors classes at Longfellow. I look at his friend group who also didn’t get into TJ and there are some strong science/math kids there. But the kids that did go to TJ also appear to be strong students - so no complaints on quality of the class. He’s having a great experience at McLean. Your kid will be fine either way.

Between all the grade inflation and application gaming, it's difficult for them to differentiate students beyond a point. Regardless, I'm sure there are many equally strong opportunities available at McLean. One of my kid's is applying next year. They're a total rockstar. Won all kinds of math awards at the state level even. Straight A's in the highest track etc, but I realize it's kind of a crap shoot. Still I'm not really clear whether they'd really be better off at TJ. Their homeschool Langlely is also great so either way I'm fine with however way it goes.

Just math awards does not get the kid to get into TJ. If you look at scoring rubric, 1/3 score is gpa, 1/3 is SPS answers, 1/3 is stem problem and writing the answer. If the kid can solve problem but is a poor writer, they won’t make it

Either way the suggestion that the new system introduces more uncertainty into the process is correct. The net result is that people are less inclined to believe the top candidates are being admitted to TJ and more inclined to shrug when their kid doesn’t get in. Maybe that’s what FCPS wanted.

If by uncertainty, you mean fairness then I agree.

I don't mean that. It's a more subjective process, borne of pandering for political gain, with a not-so-healthy dose of anti-Asian bias tossed into the mix.

Wasn’t it meant to address cheating on an entrance test?

You can’t be that naive.

I know! For years families were gaming admissions which culminated in some prep centers creating question banks so their customers would effectively have early access to the test. These affluent families would buy their way into TJ. So glad they put an end to the cheating with the improved selection criteria. It's also greatly reduced the toxicity at TJ and helped foster a collegial atmosphere.

No one was able to buy their way into TJ.

The "improved" selection criteria is a pork-barrel approach that guarantees seats to schools regardless of whether the students from those schools are the highest achieving in the region or possess the greatest STEM aptitude. It's diminished TJ's reputation and invited debates among current TJ freshmen and sophomores as to which students truly belong there, and which students simply got into because they were among the small number of applicants from schools that weren't AAP centers and generally don't elicit much interest in TJ.

Curious how the old process is guarantee students who got in are posses the greatest STEM aptitude and are the highest achieving student?

Nothing is guaranteed, but they looked at awards won and extracurriculars. Someone who made state MathCounts or USAJMO in 7th grade(about 10 in the entire country) would not be rejected like they have been the past few years.

Someone keeps bringing up USAJMO as though it should be a golden ticket into TJ. There is a lot more to being a strong contributor to a full-service elite high school than scoring well in a math competition.

+1, it's not a good idea to have any single accomplishment or background serve as a slam-dunk guarantee into TJ. If there is, you can be assured that striver families will move heaven and earth and sacrifice any amount of their child's well-being that is necessary to get them in. That's why I like the new admissions process; there is no golden path.

In vast majority of the cases, you have a very valid point that no single achievement should as a slam-dunk. I agree with that in general.

There are a few exceptions like USAJMO. You do need to understand what it entails - and no just reading up online about it does not tell you much, you need to actually experience something like that. It is like saying a two time MVP in NBA should not be an automatic choice for the next season. Dont go too deep into this analogy, just trying to make a point about the level of significance of USAJMO at a young age.

Someone who is or was even close to qualifying for USAJMO by 8th grade should be an automatic admit to TJ. We are talking about maybe 20 kids across the entire nation, forget Virginia. No you cannot just prep to it.

Serious question: why? What evidence does that one achievement give that a student will be a superior contributor to the overall environment?

What evidence is there that the existing "tests" for TJ will be a superior contributor?

What evidence do you have that such a student would not be a superior contributor to the overall environment? As I mentioned when you have no idea what it takes to get to that level, you end with questions like yours.

No one has really explained either what it means to make a superior contribution to the overall environment. It's a matter of opinion so you can just say whatever you want.

It's a matter of opinion because for each student, it is different. For some, it might be providing a unique perspective to classroom discussions. For others, it might be (in the case of TJ) the ability to give your friends a memorable moment through a performance at I-Nite. For still others, it might be genuinely caring about the experience that others are having within the academic environment, and working towards lifting others up instead of relentlessly comparing oneself to others. Or perhaps it's the ability contribute to an athletic team (like the 2008 boys soccer state champions) that raises the profile of the school.

TJ isn't an academy - it's a full service high school. If it wants to genuinely attract the best and brightest - something it hasn't done for decades given the decline in application numbers - then it needs to be a place where the best and brightest of all types and backgrounds WANT to go. Otherwise it will continue to top flawed ranking systems that overselect for test-taking ability while continuing to fail to produce much in terms of real STEM impact.

What the heck? You truly believe that a kid who "makes a memorable moment" or is a decent athlete is contributing something important to the school, but the kid who is winning a bunch of awards with the TJ Math team and making the school recognized on a national stage isn't? That is some grade A crazy mental gymnastics there.

The USAJMO thing is a red herring anyway. The number of 7th or 8th graders in the TJ catchment who qualify for JMO is miniscule. There's at best one kid every handful of years. It would be impossible for anyone to make any sweeping statements about whether kids like that contribute positively to TJ, as there are so very, very few. Unless something is majorly wrong with the kid's application, any kid who has the mathematical skills and motivation to qualify for JMO in middle school absolutely belongs at TJ. From Day 1 of 9th grade, that kid would be one of the top kids on the TJ math team, and thus they'd be guaranteed to make a positive contribution to TJ.

TJ doesn't need any help being recognized on a national stage. They need a lot of help being seen as a desirable destination for students in the Northern Virginia area among non-Asian communities.

We have nearly three times as many students in the catchment area as we had in 2000, but fewer applicants to TJ year over year than we did at that point. That's a problem and suggests strongly that the school isn't getting the students it should.

Many highly qualified kids don't want to attend TJ, simply because they and their parents understand that they'll get better college admissions if they're at the top of their base school than they get if they're middle of the pack at TJ. Some others don't want to attend because it's too much work. These aren't problems that need to be solved.

Or maybe they and their parents are just tired of the constant politics around TJ and know they won’t have to put up with the nonsense at their base schools. TJ has become something between a punching bag and a joke.