Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.

I don't think the jurors here are the want to go home fast types...Presumably the people who really just want to go home fast would have found a way to get out of jury duty for a murder trial the first place. Id think it would be pretty easy to get disqualified for this jury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To play devil’s advocate, the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty in less than 4 hours of deliberation. This was nine hours

They only deliberated 6 hours to reach the not guilty verdict after the Rodney King beating.

And Casey Anthony was acquitted after 10 hours, so about the same time

I watched a lot of her trial and agreed with that acquittal. But Derek Chauvin is unquestionably guilty.

[Anonymous]

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If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.

I don't think the jurors here are the want to go home fast types...Presumably the people who really just want to go home fast would have found a way to get out of jury duty for a murder trial the first place. Id think it would be pretty easy to get disqualified for this jury.

Not so sure. The kind of people who didn't follow the Floyd case and had no prejudice about it are not really likely to be engaged, critical thinkers. Much more likely to want to just put an end to what must have been an extremely difficult several weeks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.

Glad you’re not a juror because you’re wrong.

The juror has to go by what was presented in court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

So the mother was also in jail?

[Anonymous]

If he’s guilty, does he get to stay out in bail?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

My dad was a juror in a murder trial and that wasn't his experience. All of the jurors took their job seriously and wanted to come to the right conclusion, not the easiest or fastest or unrelated conclusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.

Glad you’re not a juror because you’re wrong.

The juror has to go by what was presented in court.

That’s their mandate, but I can tell you after years of criminal jury trials, juries go rogue all the time. That’s why all parties prefer to resolve cases short of trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he’s guilty, does he get to stay out in bail?

Depends on what the judge says. Today we will only hear the verdict. The sentencing will come later. Could be a few weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.

I don't think the jurors here are the want to go home fast types...Presumably the people who really just want to go home fast would have found a way to get out of jury duty for a murder trial the first place. Id think it would be pretty easy to get disqualified for this jury.

Not so sure. The kind of people who didn't follow the Floyd case and had no prejudice about it are not really likely to be engaged, critical thinkers. Much more likely to want to just put an end to what must have been an extremely difficult several weeks.

They released profiles of the jurors yesterday and that did not seem to be the case on the basis of those profiles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he’s guilty, does he get to stay out in bail?

I'd imagine for his own safety he will put in protective custody within the prison/jail.

He will be out soon enough though. Waters made sure of that.

[Anonymous]

What are they waiting for, preparing the riot squads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

I served as a juror on a clear case of manslaughter. Father beat his infant for crying too much and baby died from severe blows to head. What PP described above is really what it sounds like being on a jury. It's just so damn sad.

Oh my. You must have been totally traumatized by that. I can't imagine.

It was awful. That poor mother. It was the third trial following two prior mistrials due to jury shenanigans like what was reported above. Jurors never talked about the admissible evidence, only the stuff that judge moved to strike from record. And some jurors felt it necessary to consider how bad their parents had it in jail so why should someone else go through that. Nothing at trial that should've been relevant where between jurors when doors were closed. Now, many years later, I know that if it ever comes down to jury trial, avoid at all costs. Jurors are humans who bring their baggage and biases into it and are really bitter about being there.

And I really wanted that dad to rot in jail.

So the mother was also in jail?

No, mother wasn't in jail. She was clearly distraught from the loss of her infant.

The bolded was meant to reference a juror who nearly refused to convict because that juror's father had been in jail. The memory of her father in jail made her sad and she didn't want anyone else to be sentenced to jail. It was ridiculous trying to get her to separate her father's case from the case at hand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I were a juror, I’d first vote to acquit on all charges (too much chaos to blame the officer trying to control a huge guy on drugs). But if a bunch of others want to convict, then I’d tell them that I’ll go along with manslaughter and we’re home for dinner. Or keep pushing for more and we’ll be here day after day because I’m not convicting this guy of murder.

Pretty sure the others would take my offer and call it a day.


^^definitely likely scenario.

I would never agree to either of those, so if we were both on the jury, guess we'd be there for a while until we declared hung jury.

Same. No way I’d go along with that BS.

This. You're supposed to vote your conscience, not negotiate to get home fastest. I'd like to believe I would hold my ground until convinced otherwise.

I don't think the jurors here are the want to go home fast types...Presumably the people who really just want to go home fast would have found a way to get out of jury duty for a murder trial the first place. Id think it would be pretty easy to get disqualified for this jury.

Not so sure. The kind of people who didn't follow the Floyd case and had no prejudice about it are not really likely to be engaged, critical thinkers. Much more likely to want to just put an end to what must have been an extremely difficult several weeks.

They released profiles of the jurors yesterday and that did not seem to be the case on the basis of those profiles.

Here they are: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-derek-chauvin-trial-jurors-20210419-tvxg5kya4jajzftlcsxwucmdcm-story.html