DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:...and i would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you darn meddling kids

Scooby dooby doooooo

Well Shaggy...I was not trying to deceive anyone as you imply. I was really tired and made a mistake of recall. Anyway, facts are inconvenient when you just REALLY WANT to believe something is true that is not. I understand you and empathize with your problem. I was just trying to help those who actually want to know the facts as there is a lot of unsupported opinion on this thread masquerading as fact. I know these hard facts won't help you.

[Anonymous]

FC Bordeaux USA obviously recruits players. They have a U13, U15, and U19 team. It is a recruitment program, not a development program.

[Anonymous]

^^^ Another moron. Don't make stupid coments unless you have done your homework. The U-19 team has been coached by the same person for 7+ years and came over from Olney the year before. I don't believe they do any more recruiting than other clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

[Anonymous]

^^^Yes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and i would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you darn meddling kids

Scooby dooby doooooo

Well Shaggy...I was not trying to deceive anyone as you imply. I was really tired and made a mistake of recall. Anyway, facts are inconvenient when you just REALLY WANT to believe something is true that is not. I understand you and empathize with your problem. I was just trying to help those who actually want to know the facts as there is a lot of unsupported opinion on this thread masquerading as fact. I know these hard facts won't help you.

Lol..i was siding with you...you are the meddling kid with the stats...get it?..Anyways...we shall move on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and i would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you darn meddling kids

Scooby dooby doooooo

Well Shaggy...I was not trying to deceive anyone as you imply. I was really tired and made a mistake of recall. Anyway, facts are inconvenient when you just REALLY WANT to believe something is true that is not. I understand you and empathize with your problem. I was just trying to help those who actually want to know the facts as there is a lot of unsupported opinion on this thread masquerading as fact. I know these hard facts won't help you.

Lol..i was siding with you...you are the meddling kid with the stats...get it?..Anyways...we shall move on

OK. I get it. I'm Shaggy. Or am I Velma? Hard to know who is who on this anonymous board..anyhoo...I have more stats on good team (ranking) vs. signing numbers vs. league for Maryland. I really think it tells an interesting story. Maybe I'll share them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

The million dollar question is if all options available could a kid be developed the same over the years if he were in a DA team, an ECNL team, a non-DA/ECNL team or just a Rec team, assuming he/she put in the same amount of effort themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

The million dollar question is if all options available could a kid be developed the same over the years if he were in a DA team, an ECNL team, a non-DA/ECNL team or just a Rec team, assuming he/she put in the same amount of effort themselves?

Is there anyone who thinks a kid working hard in rec will come out the same as a kid working hard in ECNL/DA/a national team for their country? To think that, you'd have to believe that there is no benefit from playing with and against motivated, talented peers and that coaching doesn't make a difference either. No one actually believes that, right? The better your team and competition, the better you will be if you are in a supportive environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

The million dollar question is if all options available could a kid be developed the same over the years if he were in a DA team, an ECNL team, a non-DA/ECNL team or just a Rec team, assuming he/she put in the same amount of effort themselves?

Is there anyone who thinks a kid working hard in rec will come out the same as a kid working hard in ECNL/DA/a national team for their country? To think that, you'd have to believe that there is no benefit from playing with and against motivated, talented peers and that coaching doesn't make a difference either. No one actually believes that, right? The better your team and competition, the better you will be if you are in a supportive environment.

Well, you are talking about the logic side of the story...Some people may be the outliers or at least they believe so...

[Anonymous]

There are kids with more athleticism and better soccer brains in "lesser" leagues...but those kids are usually lacking some important things...ie..touch, skills, competetiveness, drive, decesion making, dedication, determination, etc.

Very few kids have it all. That's why very few move on.

[Anonymous]

One of the OP here. DA is probably the best situation but the entire premise of my argument is not every kid has access to or wants to play DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are kids with more athleticism and better soccer brains in "lesser" leagues...but those kids are usually lacking some important things...ie..touch, skills, competetiveness, drive, decesion making, dedication, determination, etc.

Very few kids have it all. That's why very few move on.

Is soccer the most difficult sport to master in terms of the player attributes demanded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the OP here. DA is probably the best situation but the entire premise of my argument is not every kid has access to or wants to play DA.

I think that's understood by all, as is the point that many will be able to play in college without going through the ECNL or DA experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ ... vs Everything else. This is about elite soccer.

You fools still don't get it. Yes, ECNL/DA are great options and are full of great players that are going DI. That was never the issue. The issue is that not every player want to play ECNL/DA. There are teams that are elite players who play on non ECNL/DA teams. These non ECNL/DA teams are elite teams that play against other elite teams, ibncluding ECNL.

Yes, Loudon and Arlington are transitioning to ECNL and DA, respectovely, but they were selected because they produced elite teams with DI talent.

The point, morons, is that a family that does not want ECNL/DA but wants elite play has options and the numbers above only prove my point. ECNL/DA might produce more D! players but FC Bordeaux USA is ranked nationally because it has beat other elite teams, including ECNL teams. Also, I believe the team had 9 DI signees.

I hate to be rude but I feel like folks are so caught up in their bubbles that they don't realize that there are folks out there who just can't access ECNL/DA yet have kids that are as good or better than the kids on those teams. I have been around the game enough to have seen some very strong teams that are not affiliated with elite clubs like those in ECNL/DA. I ran into FC Bordeux at the Bethesda Tournament last year. They won their bracket which including smashing BRYC top ranked ECNL club.

BTW, Pipeline and SAC have an affiliation with WS but not every elite player is joining WS.

Nobody has ever debated these points. Parents have been saying these things on forums when it was just ECNL too. Choose your best path. In all the scenarios it is the kid who has to do the legwork to get scouted. The, team or the league are mearly the platform.

The million dollar question is if all options available could a kid be developed the same over the years if he were in a DA team, an ECNL team, a non-DA/ECNL team or just a Rec team, assuming he/she put in the same amount of effort themselves?

Is there anyone who thinks a kid working hard in rec will come out the same as a kid working hard in ECNL/DA/a national team for their country? To think that, you'd have to believe that there is no benefit from playing with and against motivated, talented peers and that coaching doesn't make a difference either. No one actually believes that, right? The better your team and competition, the better you will be if you are in a supportive environment.

Some parents who have gone through the process may tell you that it's not the team practices and games that will make the difference, at least not until U16 or so.