Basis fills a gap that shouldn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

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Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Resentment is a strong word.

It is not because Basis doesn’t backfill that families dislike Basis boosters. It is because you guys tout ad nauseam about your high test scores due to the fact that you are a test in school starting in 6th and don’t backfill. Any school that does that will get similar stats. It is not that Basis is anything special or the teachers. That is where the backfilling discussion always comes into play is when test scores are discussed.

Yet people like you have this inflated sense that everyone is out to get Basis or resent or hate Basis.

Read your post and OP original post and the tone and how the narrative is really misplaced. If you don’t understand why this board does not like these type of Basis posts and hence families, well I don’t know what to say.

There is no dislike of Latin or DCI families on this board like there is of Basis, because these families don’t post such nonsense. They also tend to be much happier at their school and a lot less of them are on here or need to be.

Lol, I'm the PP. I don't have a kid at BASIS and don't even like BASIS. I was just explaining that the lack of backfilling is a major source of the criticism and resentment of BASIS. But I do think it's funny you thought I was a BASIS booster!

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Wait - this is a bit schizophrenic. In this thread, I keep hearing about all the ways that Basis is fundamentally UNacceptable, e.g., lack of flexibility, poor physical plant, sparse extracurriculars, sky high attrition, etc.

If Basis is so awful, who cares about its relatively narrow entry pathway and aversion to backfilling?

Those criticisms only emerge because people are resentful about how unavailable BASIS is as an option. It makes BASIS an all or nothing option, which heightens criticism of their approach. If BASIS were an option you could opt into later, when it was clear your kid would do well in their system, people wouldn't be as critical.

The backfilling issue makes BASIS exclusive and out of reach for a lot of families, and that's going to attract negative attention.

But Latin is even more exclusive, even with (sibling) backfilling. This is pure emotion and pathetic.

So Latin and DCI do backfill?

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Anonymous wrote:Essentially, Basis is a whipping boy for broader systemic frustrations with the DC education landscape. Even if Basis were to do all that some are requesting of it, hardly anything would change for 90%+ of DC families. Might some be less resentful? I guess so, but that only serves to highlight the pure irrationality of such resentment in the first place. DC needs more UMC-friendly options — a problem that Basis cannot solve to any meaningful degree.

I'd agree with you, PP, if BASIS DC were well run. It isn't particularly. Too much baaaad teaching, particularly by math by teachers right out of grad school. Still too much active alienating of families by admins, putting parents in their place (better under the current HoS though). Too many dim-witted policies, like the gimmicky experiment with middle school "linguistics", forcing kids to wait until 8th grade to take a language (1980s style) and only offering languages from a beginning level in 8th. Too much gaslighting of kids who supposedly can't cut it when weak teaching plays a large role in their failure. Too many lame ECs passed off as strong ones and too much money spent by families to participate. But the embarrassing business of trying to shame families into topping up teachers' salaries year after year might be the worst of it. BASIS DC could surely solve these problems and does not. The resentment isn't always irrational.

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No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Wait - this is a bit schizophrenic. In this thread, I keep hearing about all the ways that Basis is fundamentally UNacceptable, e.g., lack of flexibility, poor physical plant, sparse extracurriculars, sky high attrition, etc.

If Basis is so awful, who cares about its relatively narrow entry pathway and aversion to backfilling?

Those criticisms only emerge because people are resentful about how unavailable BASIS is as an option. It makes BASIS an all or nothing option, which heightens criticism of their approach. If BASIS were an option you could opt into later, when it was clear your kid would do well in their system, people wouldn't be as critical.

The backfilling issue makes BASIS exclusive and out of reach for a lot of families, and that's going to attract negative attention.

But Latin is even more exclusive, even with (sibling) backfilling. This is pure emotion and pathetic.

So Latin and DCI do backfill?

Yes - but not to a degree adequate to address the problem of two few UMC-acceptable middle and high schools. Those schools may allow more opportunities for later entry, but statistically, one has a much better chance at getting a 5th grade slot at Basis (~50%) than EVER getting a spot Latin or DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Essentially, Basis is a whipping boy for broader systemic frustrations with the DC education landscape. Even if Basis were to do all that some are requesting of it, hardly anything would change for 90%+ of DC families. Might some be less resentful? I guess so, but that only serves to highlight the pure irrationality of such resentment in the first place. DC needs more UMC-friendly options — a problem that Basis cannot solve to any meaningful degree.

I'd agree with you, PP, if BASIS DC were well run. It isn't particularly. Too much baaaad teaching, particularly by math by teachers right out of grad school. Still too much active alienating of families by admins, putting parents in their place (better under the current HoS though). Too many dim-witted policies, like the gimmicky experiment with middle school "linguistics", forcing kids to wait until 8th grade to take a language (1980s style) and only offering languages from a beginning level in 8th. Too much gaslighting of kids who supposedly can't cut it when weak teaching plays a large role in their failure. Too many lame ECs passed off as strong ones and too much money spent by families to participate. But the embarrassing business of trying to shame families into topping up teachers' salaries year after year might be the worst of it. BASIS DC could surely solve these problems and does not. The resentment isn't always irrational.

OK - so if Basis sucks that would seem to further highlight the problem of two few UMC-alternatives and demonstrate that Basis can’t solve this systemic problem.

Most schools in DC are problematic to failing and UMC folks don’t really pay such schools any mind, as they are non-entities in their educational calculus.

Why not similarly ignore Basis? Or, if we are intent to focus on it, why not place similar focus on Sousa middle or Ballou?
Even if “Basis Boosters” are crowing, who cares if Basis is so demonstrably terrible?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

How many of these kids are listing BASIS as their number 1 choice? There's no way to tell, but from what I have heard over the years, if you list it as your number 1, you have a high likelihood of getting in. Most people don't list it as number 1, because it isn't their number 1 choice.

We know how many students are on the waitlist on match day, which means they didn't match with a school they ranked higher than BASIS. We also know how many waitlist offers BASIS made by October; it's unlikely a student would get a waitlist offer at a higher ranked school before they would get an offer at BASIS. So we have a pretty good, not perfect, sense of the chances of getting an offer if you didn't match with a school you ranked higher.

SY21-22: 80% (76% if no preference)
SY22-23: 65% (58%)
SY23-24: 67% (63%)
SY24-25: 63% (60%)
SY25-26: 54% (49%)

Exactly. So about half of students listing BASIS in the lottery get no offer, and even if these families are listing Latin or DCI higher, they aren't getting in there either because it's even less likely.

Listing BASIS as your #1 does not improve your odds of getting a spot there. The only way that your ranking of BASIS would impact your chances of getting in would be if you ranked a school you were more likely to get a spot at higher. So say you ranked Eliot-Hine #1 and BASIS #2. You would very likely get a spot at Eliot-Hine in the lottery, and thus would not even be placed on the waitlist for BASIS. But other than that scenario, your chances of getting into BASIS will be completely dependent on your random lottery draw and whether you have a preference (EA or sibling). That's it. And less than half of kids with no preference who rank BASIS get in either in the lottery or off the waitlist.

Looking at it your way, the chances of getting into BASIS or a school ranked higher are better than the percentages originally listed:

SY24-25: 71%
SY25-26: 62%

This is (applicants who matched with a higher ranked school + matches + waitlist offers by October) / total applicants

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Anonymous wrote:Essentially, Basis is a whipping boy for broader systemic frustrations with the DC education landscape. Even if Basis were to do all that some are requesting of it, hardly anything would change for 90%+ of DC families. Might some be less resentful? I guess so, but that only serves to highlight the pure irrationality of such resentment in the first place. DC needs more UMC-friendly options — a problem that Basis cannot solve to any meaningful degree.

I'd agree with you, PP, if BASIS DC were well run. It isn't particularly. Too much baaaad teaching, particularly by math by teachers right out of grad school. Still too much active alienating of families by admins, putting parents in their place (better under the current HoS though). Too many dim-witted policies, like the gimmicky experiment with middle school "linguistics", forcing kids to wait until 8th grade to take a language (1980s style) and only offering languages from a beginning level in 8th. Too much gaslighting of kids who supposedly can't cut it when weak teaching plays a large role in their failure. Too many lame ECs passed off as strong ones and too much money spent by families to participate. But the embarrassing business of trying to shame families into topping up teachers' salaries year after year might be the worst of it. BASIS DC could surely solve these problems and does not. The resentment isn't always irrational.

Things are slowly, incrementally changing:

New HoS is not a gaslighter. I understand that people had a lot of problems with the old guy.

Linguistics is gone, and has been replaced by a writing class for 6th and 7th graders, which was needed, and the school saw that and made the change.

EC's are also getting more numerous and a bit better (and some of them are quite good, like the Debate and Science Olympiad teams that actually win competitions).

It is too bad that language starts in 8th grade, but not a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Resentment is a strong word.

It is not because Basis doesn’t backfill that families dislike Basis boosters. It is because you guys tout ad nauseam about your high test scores due to the fact that you are a test in school starting in 6th and don’t backfill. Any school that does that will get similar stats. It is not that Basis is anything special or the teachers. That is where the backfilling discussion always comes into play is when test scores are discussed.

Yet people like you have this inflated sense that everyone is out to get Basis or resent or hate Basis.

Read your post and OP original post and the tone and how the narrative is really misplaced. If you don’t understand why this board does not like these type of Basis posts and hence families, well I don’t know what to say.

There is no dislike of Latin or DCI families on this board like there is of Basis, because these families don’t post such nonsense. They also tend to be much happier at their school and a lot less of them are on here or need to be.

Lol, I'm the PP. I don't have a kid at BASIS and don't even like BASIS. I was just explaining that the lack of backfilling is a major source of the criticism and resentment of BASIS. But I do think it's funny you thought I was a BASIS booster!

Well then your reason for why many posts on boosting Basis threads is wrong. They don’t resent Basis familles because there is no backfilling.

They just don’t tolerate the BS entitled crap that Basis is so great and that is why families don’t like Basis and counter the backfilling rightly by why test scores are better.

See how that goes?

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Basis is 5th grade lottery. So a typical list is WL 2nd Street, WL Cooper, Basis, in that order. Yes the kids who match Latin dont show up in the Basis match or WL numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Resentment is a strong word.

It is not because Basis doesn’t backfill that families dislike Basis boosters. It is because you guys tout ad nauseam about your high test scores due to the fact that you are a test in school starting in 6th and don’t backfill. Any school that does that will get similar stats. It is not that Basis is anything special or the teachers. That is where the backfilling discussion always comes into play is when test scores are discussed.

Yet people like you have this inflated sense that everyone is out to get Basis or resent or hate Basis.

Read your post and OP original post and the tone and how the narrative is really misplaced. If you don’t understand why this board does not like these type of Basis posts and hence families, well I don’t know what to say.

There is no dislike of Latin or DCI families on this board like there is of Basis, because these families don’t post such nonsense. They also tend to be much happier at their school and a lot less of them are on here or need to be.

Lol, I'm the PP. I don't have a kid at BASIS and don't even like BASIS. I was just explaining that the lack of backfilling is a major source of the criticism and resentment of BASIS. But I do think it's funny you thought I was a BASIS booster!

Well then your reason for why many posts on boosting Basis threads is wrong. They don’t resent Basis familles because there is no backfilling.

They just don’t tolerate the BS entitled crap that Basis is so great and that is why families don’t like Basis and counter the backfilling rightly by why test scores are better.

See how that goes?

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As pointed out above, no language until 8th grade, and no support for kids who come in with advanced skills in languages BASIS teaches, isn’t a disaster. But it’s pathetic, a policy out of a past century.

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I was kidnapped from Africa and forced to attend Basis.

You people…

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Almost anywhere else in the world, it would be pathetic. In this country, it’s considered impressive that competitive college-bound HS students need to study a language. WOW!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

The end

Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Resentment is a strong word.

It is not because Basis doesn’t backfill that families dislike Basis boosters. It is because you guys tout ad nauseam about your high test scores due to the fact that you are a test in school starting in 6th and don’t backfill. Any school that does that will get similar stats. It is not that Basis is anything special or the teachers. That is where the backfilling discussion always comes into play is when test scores are discussed.

Yet people like you have this inflated sense that everyone is out to get Basis or resent or hate Basis.

Read your post and OP original post and the tone and how the narrative is really misplaced. If you don’t understand why this board does not like these type of Basis posts and hence families, well I don’t know what to say.

There is no dislike of Latin or DCI families on this board like there is of Basis, because these families don’t post such nonsense. They also tend to be much happier at their school and a lot less of them are on here or need to be.

Lol, I'm the PP. I don't have a kid at BASIS and don't even like BASIS. I was just explaining that the lack of backfilling is a major source of the criticism and resentment of BASIS. But I do think it's funny you thought I was a BASIS booster!

lol.

Basis haters are consumed by envy and flame anyone who disagrees with their hate rants.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, choose Basis and high chance it will not be a good fit either in middle or high school.

No guarantee of anything and you take your risk, play lottery, try to get into private or move.

Chances of any of the above options gets lower each year. The only sure thing is move.

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Is moving really a sure thing?

We know families that moved from Ward 6 to MoCo, or Arlington, or Fairfax mainly for schools and seem to regret it. We also know people who paid through the nose to send their kids to the perfect seeming DC privates only to find that their children were miserable at these schools. We even know people who nervously sent a kid who was deeply average at math in ES to BASIS only to discover that the kid liked the program well enough to stay through high school.

I'm no BASIS fan; we only lasted a couple years. But I no longer believe in sure things where adolescents and their schools go.

So true. Sometimes I think we agonize over school choice because it’s easier than grappling with the real challenges of adolescence.

+1. Why is this concept so hard to understand? Pick the school that is best for your kid! For some that will be BASIS, for some it won’t. For some it will work for only middle school, for some it will work all the way through. Deal with it, because that’s what you chose to deal with when you decided to become a parent.

If only you could simply pick. Not in DC, with the lottery system and schools that are basically closed out after fifth or sixth grade, due to limited seats and, in the case of Basis, no backfilling.

From this thread, most people don't want to send their kid to BASIS anyway, so it should be easy to get a lottery seat if you are one of the few who do.

At least 50% of kids who lottery for BASIS don't get spots. Also, the lack of backfilling compounds this problem because even though some of the kids who DO get spots later decide it's not for them and leave, if you have bad lottery luck the one year you can enter BASIS (5th) then you will never get a spot there again.

The no backfilling is a major reason BASIS attracts a lot of negative attention on these boards. It's important to understand this. And you can defend the no backfilling policy if you want but if you can't understand why it pisses people off, especially given the level of attrition at BASIS and how miserable that 5th grade lottery is for parents thanks to the near impossibility of getting into Latin or DCI, then you don't understand this conversation. Latin and DCI have lower attrition *and* they backfill. All the acceptable DCPS middle and high schools are required to backfill if they have space. Only BASIS doesn't backfill which means it's the one acceptable MS/HS option in the city that you have exactly one chance at. Of course that is going to result in resentment and criticism.

Resentment is a strong word.

It is not because Basis doesn’t backfill that families dislike Basis boosters. It is because you guys tout ad nauseam about your high test scores due to the fact that you are a test in school starting in 6th and don’t backfill. Any school that does that will get similar stats. It is not that Basis is anything special or the teachers. That is where the backfilling discussion always comes into play is when test scores are discussed.

Yet people like you have this inflated sense that everyone is out to get Basis or resent or hate Basis.

Read your post and OP original post and the tone and how the narrative is really misplaced. If you don’t understand why this board does not like these type of Basis posts and hence families, well I don’t know what to say.

There is no dislike of Latin or DCI families on this board like there is of Basis, because these families don’t post such nonsense. They also tend to be much happier at their school and a lot less of them are on here or need to be.

Lol, I'm the PP. I don't have a kid at BASIS and don't even like BASIS. I was just explaining that the lack of backfilling is a major source of the criticism and resentment of BASIS. But I do think it's funny you thought I was a BASIS booster!

lol.

Basis haters are consumed by envy and flame anyone who disagrees with their hate rants.

Your post is exactly why people dislike Basis. There is no hate rant. Just a rational response above.

But hey, everyone hates Basis or is so jealous of Basis. I don’t know why you people live in this fantasy world.