Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Now we need to slow down and wait for evidence? Hmmm. Coming from the side absolutely convinced they know what happened and didn't happen, this is a change of heart. Why not just stop posting all together and wait for the trial? We should wait for allll the evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI NotActuallyGolden (NAG) is doing a TikTok live today at 1pm with two other lawyers who post on TT, LittleGirlAttorney (LGA) and BB

LGA is a lawyer who works in CA and has experience with employment law, SH claims, etc. She’s also clerked in CA courts.

BB is a former federal court clerk and brings a lot of insight into federal court workings and how judges operate.

And all three don’t think Blake has a strong case

NAG has been so wrong over and over about this case, it should be embarrassing to her, but it's not. Remember when she posted that she was so mad that people kept misciting the facts about the Taylor Swift stuff, and she was going to give straight facts, and then she got the entire timeline wrong and had to correct herself. Fail.

She barely reads the pleadings and doesn't read the case law, so she's going off vibez most of the time. I liked her in the beginning but after she kept getting things wrong, wrong, wrong I lost faith.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI NotActuallyGolden (NAG) is doing a TikTok live today at 1pm with two other lawyers who post on TT, LittleGirlAttorney (LGA) and BB

LGA is a lawyer who works in CA and has experience with employment law, SH claims, etc. She’s also clerked in CA courts.

BB is a former federal court clerk and brings a lot of insight into federal court workings and how judges operate.

And all three don’t think Blake has a strong case

NAG has been so wrong over and over about this case, it should be embarrassing to her, but it's not. Remember when she posted that she was so mad that people kept misciting the facts about the Taylor Swift stuff, and she was going to give straight facts, and then she got the entire timeline wrong and had to correct herself. Fail.

She barely reads the pleadings and doesn't read the case law, so she's going off vibez most of the time. I liked her in the beginning but after she kept getting things wrong, wrong, wrong I lost faith.

+1, this was my exact journey with her.

I think early on she stayed in her lane and only commented on legal issues and procedures she had real experience with, plus she used to couch things a lot more. Like she'd explain federal procedure for something and then outline what the two parties' arguments were, but she wouldn't editorialize much.

I think as she go traction she started trying to give her audience what they wanted, which mean being more critical of Lively's case and lawyers and giving the gentlest, most favorable read to Wayfarer and their lawyers. A lot of the content creators are doing this, which is one of the reasons people were so shocked when Liman dismissed most of Wayfarer's case, even though many other lawyers (myself included) had been talking about a significant portion of those claims getting dismissed for a while, and had been trying to explain the obvious pleading problems, while people yelled at us and called us "Blake bots."

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I keep thinking of Sarowitz when I listen to Swift's Father Figure. "I Protect the Family." Creepy. Though I doubt Jamey or Justin will flip on him like in the song.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I don’t know, if it was so straight forward why did Blake fight unsealing the recording? Guess we’ll find out in a few days.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

Is it a direct quote or different segments of a conversation strung together? I believe that’s the unanswered question. Again, it really makes no sense to fight the unsealing if it’s a direct quote.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI NotActuallyGolden (NAG) is doing a TikTok live today at 1pm with two other lawyers who post on TT, LittleGirlAttorney (LGA) and BB

LGA is a lawyer who works in CA and has experience with employment law, SH claims, etc. She’s also clerked in CA courts.

BB is a former federal court clerk and brings a lot of insight into federal court workings and how judges operate.

And all three don’t think Blake has a strong case

I have tried watching videos from NAG and LGA but I cannot get past the way they talk and interact with the camera. NAG is always fussing with her clothes and hair and is obviously just looking at herself, and I really dislike the tone she takes. I can't explain it exactly. It's like everything she says is said with the tone of "yeah, so that's just how it is, right?" LGA has this very weird monotone and similarly delivers everything in the same tone and it grates. She will also interrupt her videos randomly to talk about something else or zoom in on her dog.

I cannot take these people seriously, I'm sorry.

I tried watching videos from LGA too and she talks slow as hell, and then her first video is her talking slow about why she talks slow. I was like wth? I couldn't deal.

I used to defend NAG's eating on camera, but now it annoys me. I do think NAG panders to team JB after starting off as neutral, but not in a sinister way. I think she just believes him (like many of us do).

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

Is it a direct quote or different segments of a conversation strung together? I believe that’s the unanswered question. Again, it really makes no sense to fight the unsealing if it’s a direct quote.

I think the full context of the audio is not going to make Steve Sarowitz look better, but it will make Claire Ayoub look really antagonistic. I'm torn because I think her beef with him is political and I appreciate that she's pro-Palestine. But this really has no bearing on this case.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

Is it a direct quote or different segments of a conversation strung together? I believe that’s the unanswered question. Again, it really makes no sense to fight the unsealing if it’s a direct quote.

I think the full context of the audio is not going to make Steve Sarowitz look better, but it will make Claire Ayoub look really antagonistic. I'm torn because I think her beef with him is political and I appreciate that she's pro-Palestine. But this really has no bearing on this case.

Also possible, there’s a reason Lively wanted it to stay sealed and WF wants the seal removed. Remember WF did not care either way about releasing the name of the declarant.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

Is it a direct quote or different segments of a conversation strung together? I believe that’s the unanswered question. Again, it really makes no sense to fight the unsealing if it’s a direct quote.

I think the full context of the audio is not going to make Steve Sarowitz look better, but it will make Claire Ayoub look really antagonistic. I'm torn because I think her beef with him is political and I appreciate that she's pro-Palestine. But this really has no bearing on this case.

Also possible, there’s a reason Lively wanted it to stay sealed and WF wants the seal removed. Remember WF did not care either way about releasing the name of the declarant.

I am sure the reason WF wants the seal removed is that they feel the context will help them some. However, it's really unclear at this point if Lively wanted the seal to conceal the context, or if it was just to try and protect Claire Ayoub, who may have been reluctant to share this for a variety of reasons. I agree with the court's decision to expose her, it was necessary, but it's hard for me to read Lively's motivations there.

I'll not that Ayoub lists the quote in her declaration the same way Lively lists it in her motion -- as one continuous statement. I am highly skeptical that Ayoub would cherry pick in a deceptive way to humiliate the billionaire who financed her last project, as this would be career ruining. Whereas if she really does have audio tape of Sarowitz saying that to her, I don't think she's risking career suicide coming forward. So that seems like the most likely outcome.

I think people on both sides of this case need to get used to the idea that none of these people are heroes. Like you can think Baldoni is being falsely accused and Blake is being a manipulative liar, and this doesn't eliminate the possibility that Sarowitz is still a terrible person. His texts/emails from discovery have certainly given me the impression of someone who is not a particularly nice guy. I get that he was stressed about this situation, but even Justin and Jamey at points are like "hey, chill, coming down hard on Blake will not improve this situation."

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Anonymous wrote:Blake bots making up things again. No one said anything about conspiracy, only that whatshername obviously voluntarily turned over her recording to Blake. Liz Plank may have facilitated that given that she knows both parties and has come out publicly in support of Blake. So many weird, no nonsubstantive posts from the dynamic duo.

Whatcha think— two separate posters with an uncanny ability to always been posting at the same time, or one poster using different devices.

She may have, in the sense that anything is possible, but there's also no particular reason to believe it, if all that has been shown is they are acquainted. That's what makes it a conspiracy theory. I'll admit it's possible Blake or someone close to her put Ayoub up to this, but Baldoni fans won't admit it's possible she really did just have a bad experience, recorded Sarowitz because of it, and turned the tape over in good faith.

We don't even know they are acquainted. We know one of them was following the other on Instagram, and at one point one of them commented on the other's public post. They are both feminist writers with some degree of fame and at one point they did projects with the same company. They may never have met but known of each other.

It's a huge leap to assume Plank set up some kind of exchange.

Also, did Sarowitz make the Hamas comment or what? It sounds like he did. That's an incredibly violent, politically charged, insensitive comment to make to someone who works for you, about other people in your industry.

Imagine if there was evidence of Lively saying she wanted to turn Baldoni and Heath into "two dead bodies" by referencing Israel and Hamas. People would rightly lose their minds. But apparently it is fine for Sarowitz to say this? Wtf?

What a bizarre post. We are still waiting for the Court to release the unsealed recording.

Exactly. Let’s not forget Blake’s history of cherry picking or misrepresenting things

It's a long, specific quote. I really struggle to understand ANY context in which it would be understandable to say:

"I will protect the studio like Israel protected itself from Hamas. There were 39,000 dead bodies. There will be two dead bodies when I’m done. Minimum. Not dead, but ‘you’re dead to me.’ So that kind of dead. But dead to a lot of people. If they ever get me to that point. Then I’ll make it worth their while. Because I’m gonna spend a lot of money to make sure the studio is protected.”

Like what possible context would make that okay.

I thought the same thing about Blake's claims when the NYTimes article came out, thinking "wow, the specifics about Justin are damning, he's over," and lo and behold, Blakey indeed completely twisted things.

This is a direct quote from a recorded conversation, made by someone who is not Blake, and who has submitted a sworn affidavit to the court that this is what he said. It's not a narrative description of someone's emotional state or the way they perceived another person's behavior to be intended. It's not subjective.

Is it a direct quote or different segments of a conversation strung together? I believe that’s the unanswered question. Again, it really makes no sense to fight the unsealing if it’s a direct quote.

I think the full context of the audio is not going to make Steve Sarowitz look better, but it will make Claire Ayoub look really antagonistic. I'm torn because I think her beef with him is political and I appreciate that she's pro-Palestine. But this really has no bearing on this case.

Also possible, there’s a reason Lively wanted it to stay sealed and WF wants the seal removed. Remember WF did not care either way about releasing the name of the declarant.

I am sure the reason WF wants the seal removed is that they feel the context will help them some. However, it's really unclear at this point if Lively wanted the seal to conceal the context, or if it was just to try and protect Claire Ayoub, who may have been reluctant to share this for a variety of reasons. I agree with the court's decision to expose her, it was necessary, but it's hard for me to read Lively's motivations there.

I'll not that Ayoub lists the quote in her declaration the same way Lively lists it in her motion -- as one continuous statement. I am highly skeptical that Ayoub would cherry pick in a deceptive way to humiliate the billionaire who financed her last project, as this would be career ruining. Whereas if she really does have audio tape of Sarowitz saying that to her, I don't think she's risking career suicide coming forward. So that seems like the most likely outcome.

I think people on both sides of this case need to get used to the idea that none of these people are heroes. Like you can think Baldoni is being falsely accused and Blake is being a manipulative liar, and this doesn't eliminate the possibility that Sarowitz is still a terrible person. His texts/emails from discovery have certainly given me the impression of someone who is not a particularly nice guy. I get that he was stressed about this situation, but even Justin and Jamey at points are like "hey, chill, coming down hard on Blake will not improve this situation."

Well, lucky for us, we don’t have to keep guessing. The tape will eventually be unsealed and then we’ll know, not sure why you keep ruminating over this. Two days of posts over something you keep saying is not important, weird.