That’s why I am looking at NC. I just found out my federal pension will not get taxed in NC. However, Md, VA and DC will tax it at its regular rate. I hate Florida and Tennessee, so neither was a consideration. |
People who don't want to pay state income tax but want to pay large fees so they can live in a "gated community".
I am sorry, but if it is gated, it is the very opposite of a community. |
You got bad advice, friend. Unless you have 5 or more years of creditable service BEFORE August 1989, your federal pension will be taxed in NC. |
I would totally buy a second place in Naples. Heck, I almost bought it, and I am not even retiring.
Peaceful, nice beaches, quiet place most of the time. That suits dh and me. Kids love it too for the beaches. FIL raves about the Panhandle having the best beaches, he would like to retire there. |
The problem right now is that anywhere near the water in Florida (excluding Pandhandle) is wildly expensive. And it's only going to get more expensive as the Boomers retire and move. You're looking at $700K-1M for anything with a decent view and nearby access to the water. A LOT more if you want beachfront or a dock to park a boat outside your house. Florida was cheap 10 years ago. It no longer is. |
PP here. For tax-deferred nest egg I think you’re right. |
OP here. Thanks so much for this PP. This is such a thoughtful response. I haven't thought through the logistics. When I said winter there--am thinking perhaps for winter breaks... My children are still very young and my parents are retired and quite involved with the children and can still drive. Ideally, they would want to be in warmer climate so they'd love living in Florida. In the DMV, they are pretty stuck since I live a bit far out of DC. |
You have to look at the entire tax picture. Kiplinger's ranks states by their retirement tax laws. DC actually comes out ahead of Florida if you're a lower or middle class retirees due to the the ultra-low property tax for seniors.
Of course, if you have a sizeable estate, Florida will be better. https://www.kiplinger.com/kiplinger-tools/retirement/t055-s001-state-by-state-guide-to-taxes-on-retirees/index.php |
PP here, glad it helped. I would have a very candid conversation with the grandparents before making any purchases. Would they want to live there over the winter and summer? If they're there over the summer and you're able to finagle teleworking, would they feel comfortable taking the kids to the beach while you stayed back and worked? What's their physical capacity? Could they realistically take care of really little kids? It's a LOT of work to take care of 2 little kids on the beach. Winter break is usually 1.5-2 weeks per year. That means you would spend every Xmas and NYE in FL if that's your plan. If you buy a place, then I highly recommend getting a place on the beach or within a few blocks from the beach. That would offer so much flexibility for your parents to just take the kids to the beach for a couple hours, or for you to swing over to meet them on the beach after work, etc. It becomes a pita to drive, park, etc every time and you'll likely find yourself not going to the beach or amenities as much as if you just walk there in a couple minutes without all the logistics hassle. Good luck whatever you decide! |
I live on the beach in Florida. Don’t buy here if you have young kids not even in school yet and you’re only talking about a few weeks vacation a year. That plan doesn’t make any financial sense unless you rent it out for the rest of the year, but if you’re taking all the good vacation times, your ability to rent it out will be limited. And even if you an rent it out, having a place in Florida is sooooo annoying and high maintenance. The ac will break at least once a year, you’ll have roof leaks and other water intrusion, and have to worry every time there’s a hurricane or tropical storm and you’re not physically here.... and places I’m Florida are not good real estate investments, so you try and sell 15 years later and it could easily be worth less than what you paid for it.
If you were coming for four months, it makes sense to buy, otherwise just rent. That also allows you to try out some areas. |
I’m from Tampa. South Tampa area is great and the is so much to do near by. Very expensive area though. |
Pinellas County is nice... we have the best parks, all dog-friendly, and all of Tampa next door to enjoy. |
And Florida has Ron De Santis as the governor! A win-win! |
I'm the pp who posted about Tampa Bay-I live around the Pasco-Hernando line. I can be at the beach in about 15 minutes. I don't want, and can't afford to, live right on the beach. Not interested in hurricanes and flood insurance.
It's easy to live a bit inland and still have good access to the water. OP, your kids would probably enjoy a house with a nice pool, and just driving to the beach. Many people here do that. There is even a development here that has a 'crystal lagoon', Epperson. |
Keep in mind that Florida summers are a lot like Northern winters.
For those not acclimated, the summers may seem unbearably hot. There is usually a very heavy thunderstorm (like lightning, horrific thunder) every day in the mid-afternoon so that will impact outdoor activities. Water quality is becoming a huge issue in Florida. With so much development, and run off, the waterways and beaches are becoming more and more polluted. Issues like red tide and blue green algae are not going away. It is so sad to now see dead dolphin, manatee and fish washing up on shores. The fragile natural landscape simply cannot handle it anymore. |