Best Med School Feeders

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we really think about it... Duke, WashU, Rice etc. are underrated while ivys are overrated. An ivy league school is revered in higher ed so they should be beating the other schools severely but they don't. Schools like Emory, WashU, and Rice which are unknown to the majority of Americans somehow perform just as good if not better than the most famous and prestigious group of schools in the world. Where would schools like Cornell, Brown, even Upenn be without the ivy label. Is no one seeing what I'm seeing? EMORY is competing well with ivy league schools, without being an ivy itself. What if Emory was an Ivy, how good would it be. Imagine if Duke had the Ivy label.....

If Emory or Duke we’re to join Ivy, its reputation would suffer - the same way Oxbridge would suffer if it were to become Oxford-UMBC-Cambridge.

The Ivy League is a sports conference. Duke would not be asked nor would it join if asked. It would have to get rid of all athletics scholarships. It would lose a huge amount of Power 5 revenue. It would have to travel to NE for all sports contests.

[Anonymous]

I compared the number of students in top 25 medical schools to the number of medical school applicants coming from each school (2020) to get a quotient that provides an indicator of the number of top 25 students produced per applicant. Harvard was the top, so they were scaled at 100%. The rest were ranked by their quotient compared to Harvard's quotient.

Rank Institution
1 Harvard University 100%
2 Stanford University 87%
3 Princeton University 84%
4 Yale University 78%
5 Duke University 59%
6 Dartmouth College 58%
7 Williams 57%
8 Amherst 51%
9 Bowdoin 49%
10 Columbia University 46%
11 University of Pennsylvania 42%
12 Pomona 40%
13 Swarthmore 40%
14 University of Chicago 39%
15 Northwestern University 38%
16 Vanderbilt University 38%
17 Rice University 37%
18 Middlebury 35%
19 Washington University in St. Louis 32%
20 Wellesley 32%
21 Davidson 32%
22 Morehouse 31%
23 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 30%
24 Cornell University 30%
25 Brown University 29%
26 Johns Hopkins University 29%
27 Case Western Reserve University 28%
28 Haverford 26%
29 Emory University 22%
30 University of Michigan 22%

Since the application data from the Association of American Medical Schools has a cutoff of 50 per year, three of the schools did not appear by applicant number (Swarthmore, Morehouse, Haverford) were rated using 49 applicants per year. They potentially could rate somewhat higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I compared the number of students in top 25 medical schools to the number of medical school applicants coming from each school (2020) to get a quotient that provides an indicator of the number of top 25 students produced per applicant. Harvard was the top, so they were scaled at 100%. The rest were ranked by their quotient compared to Harvard's quotient.

Rank Institution
1 Harvard University 100%
2 Stanford University 87%
3 Princeton University 84%
4 Yale University 78%
5 Duke University 59%
6 Dartmouth College 58%
7 Williams 57%
8 Amherst 51%
9 Bowdoin 49%
10 Columbia University 46%
11 University of Pennsylvania 42%
12 Pomona 40%
13 Swarthmore 40%
14 University of Chicago 39%
15 Northwestern University 38%
16 Vanderbilt University 38%
17 Rice University 37%
18 Middlebury 35%
19 Washington University in St. Louis 32%
20 Wellesley 32%
21 Davidson 32%
22 Morehouse 31%
23 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 30%
24 Cornell University 30%
25 Brown University 29%
26 Johns Hopkins University 29%
27 Case Western Reserve University 28%
28 Haverford 26%
29 Emory University 22%
30 University of Michigan 22%

Since the application data from the Association of American Medical Schools has a cutoff of 50 per year, three of the schools did not appear by applicant number (Swarthmore, Morehouse, Haverford) were rated using 49 applicants per year. They potentially could rate somewhat higher.

A couple of comments. Looking back at the College Transitions per capita rankings, this is somewhat consistent, but I see Hopkins dropped from 5 to 26. The reason for this is that although Hopkins is a relatively small school, with 5,615 undergraduates, it is actually the top private school in the country for producing medical school applicants. In other words, a high percentage of its students are applying to medical school compared to other schools. In the overall list of applicants, it is behind only 12 extremely large state schools like UCLA, UT Austin, Florida, Michigan, Berkeley, UCSD, Ohio State, etc. https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download

Second, since I was dependent on College Transitions for number of students in top 25 medical schools and they produced top 30 lists by total and per capita, there could be schools that were outside of those two lists that could be top 30 on a top 30 done on a per medical school applicant basis. I don't have the data to identify them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ that is really dumb. Most of umd kids don’t apply to med schools.

Most students at every college don't apply to med school. Not even at Johns Hopkins.

Hopkins may have the highest percentage of students that apply, but about 70% do not.

The Association of American Medical Colleges publishes the number of applicants from each college and publishes a report with the colleges with over 50 applicants. https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download . They do not publish the number of acceptances from each college. I do not know of any good source on acceptances. Colleges will offer acceptance rates, but there is no consistent way of reporting, and they are self-reported in any case. Some will only include students that received a recommendation from a committee. Some include only those students over a certain GPA.

A meaningful per capita list should use the number of applicants, not the whole enrollment. Using the number published above, here is the top feeders adjusted by the number of applicants. Harvard is the clear leader. 87% of Harvard applicants will get into a top 25 medical school (research). HYPS(M) is way ahead everyone else. (There are not enough applicants from MIT.)

1. Harvard University 196 226 86.73%
2. Stanford University 161 213 75.59%
3. Princeton University 96 132 72.73%
4. Yale University 140 206 67.96%

5. Duke University 159 310 51.29%
6. Dartmouth College 72 144 50.00%
7. Columbia University 83 206 40.29%
8. University of Pennsylvania 124 343 36.15%
9. University of Chicago 59 175 33.71%
10. Northwestern University 85 258 32.95%
11. Vanderbilt University 93 283 32.86%
12. Rice University 62 193 32.12%
13. Washington University in St. Louis 101 363 27.82%
14. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 125 474 26.37%
15. Cornell University 110 420 26.19%
16. Brown University 72 277 25.99%
17. Johns Hopkins University 114 455 25.05%
18. Case Western Reserve University 47 197 23.86%
19. Emory University 74 387 19.12%
20. University of Michigan 143 764 18.72%
21. University of Notre Dame 46 257 17.90%
22. University of California, Berkeley 128 728 17.58%
23. University of Southern California 46 318 14.47%
24. New York University 37 285 12.98%
25. University of Washington 53 418 12.68%
26. University of Virginia 39 393 9.92%
27. University of Maryland, College Park 38 383 9.92%
28. University of California, San Diego 57 621 9.18%
29. University of California, Los Angeles 99 1152 8.59%
30. The University of Texas at Austin 39 903 4.32%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ that is really dumb. Most of umd kids don’t apply to med schools.

Most students at every college don't apply to med school. Not even at Johns Hopkins.

Hopkins may have the highest percentage of students that apply, but about 70% do not.

The Association of American Medical Colleges publishes the number of applicants from each college and publishes a report with the colleges with over 50 applicants. https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download . They do not publish the number of acceptances from each college. I do not know of any good source on acceptances. Colleges will offer acceptance rates, but there is no consistent way of reporting, and they are self-reported in any case. Some will only include students that received a recommendation from a committee. Some include only those students over a certain GPA.

A meaningful per capita list should use the number of applicants, not the whole enrollment. Using the number published above, here is the top feeders adjusted by the number of applicants. Harvard is the clear leader. 87% of Harvard applicants will get into a top 25 medical school (research). HYPS(M) is way ahead everyone else. (There are not enough applicants from MIT.)

1. Harvard University 196 226 86.73%
2. Stanford University 161 213 75.59%
3. Princeton University 96 132 72.73%
4. Yale University 140 206 67.96%

5. Duke University 159 310 51.29%
6. Dartmouth College 72 144 50.00%
7. Columbia University 83 206 40.29%
8. University of Pennsylvania 124 343 36.15%
9. University of Chicago 59 175 33.71%
10. Northwestern University 85 258 32.95%
11. Vanderbilt University 93 283 32.86%
12. Rice University 62 193 32.12%
13. Washington University in St. Louis 101 363 27.82%
14. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 125 474 26.37%
15. Cornell University 110 420 26.19%
16. Brown University 72 277 25.99%
17. Johns Hopkins University 114 455 25.05%
18. Case Western Reserve University 47 197 23.86%
19. Emory University 74 387 19.12%
20. University of Michigan 143 764 18.72%
21. University of Notre Dame 46 257 17.90%
22. University of California, Berkeley 128 728 17.58%
23. University of Southern California 46 318 14.47%
24. New York University 37 285 12.98%
25. University of Washington 53 418 12.68%
26. University of Virginia 39 393 9.92%
27. University of Maryland, College Park 38 383 9.92%
28. University of California, San Diego 57 621 9.18%
29. University of California, Los Angeles 99 1152 8.59%
30. The University of Texas at Austin 39 903 4.32%

You did something similar to what I did, but you excluded all the top 25 medical school inputs from the per capita list from College Transitions. So for instance from that list, you know that Williams had 27 graduates in the top 25 medical school sample size of 4500. From the AAMC list, you know they had 55 applicants in 2020. Their quotient then is 49%, which would place them just after Dartmouth. There could be many more schools that come before #30 Texas if you used all schools and had complete information.

Also, I would not interpret this the way you did. You say 87% of Harvard applicants will get into a top 25 medical school. The College Transitions list may be a multi-year sample size. The AAMC list is a one year sample size. (I have seen prior year data and it appears to remain fairly consistend, so one year is probably pretty good as a data point.) This approach is better data for just ranking overall success of graduates in top 25 admissions rather than identifying an acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ that is really dumb. Most of umd kids don’t apply to med schools.

Most students at every college don't apply to med school. Not even at Johns Hopkins.

Hopkins may have the highest percentage of students that apply, but about 70% do not.

The Association of American Medical Colleges publishes the number of applicants from each college and publishes a report with the colleges with over 50 applicants. https://www.aamc.org/media/9636/download . They do not publish the number of acceptances from each college. I do not know of any good source on acceptances. Colleges will offer acceptance rates, but there is no consistent way of reporting, and they are self-reported in any case. Some will only include students that received a recommendation from a committee. Some include only those students over a certain GPA.

A meaningful per capita list should use the number of applicants, not the whole enrollment. Using the number published above, here is the top feeders adjusted by the number of applicants. Harvard is the clear leader. 87% of Harvard applicants will get into a top 25 medical school (research). HYPS(M) is way ahead everyone else. (There are not enough applicants from MIT.)

1. Harvard University 196 226 86.73%
2. Stanford University 161 213 75.59%
3. Princeton University 96 132 72.73%
4. Yale University 140 206 67.96%

5. Duke University 159 310 51.29%
6. Dartmouth College 72 144 50.00%
7. Columbia University 83 206 40.29%
8. University of Pennsylvania 124 343 36.15%
9. University of Chicago 59 175 33.71%
10. Northwestern University 85 258 32.95%
11. Vanderbilt University 93 283 32.86%
12. Rice University 62 193 32.12%
13. Washington University in St. Louis 101 363 27.82%
14. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 125 474 26.37%
15. Cornell University 110 420 26.19%
16. Brown University 72 277 25.99%
17. Johns Hopkins University 114 455 25.05%
18. Case Western Reserve University 47 197 23.86%
19. Emory University 74 387 19.12%
20. University of Michigan 143 764 18.72%
21. University of Notre Dame 46 257 17.90%
22. University of California, Berkeley 128 728 17.58%
23. University of Southern California 46 318 14.47%
24. New York University 37 285 12.98%
25. University of Washington 53 418 12.68%
26. University of Virginia 39 393 9.92%
27. University of Maryland, College Park 38 383 9.92%
28. University of California, San Diego 57 621 9.18%
29. University of California, Los Angeles 99 1152 8.59%
30. The University of Texas at Austin 39 903 4.32%

You did something similar to what I did, but you excluded all the top 25 medical school inputs from the per capita list from College Transitions. So for instance from that list, you know that Williams had 27 graduates in the top 25 medical school sample size of 4500. From the AAMC list, you know they had 55 applicants in 2020. Their quotient then is 49%, which would place them just after Dartmouth. There could be many more schools that come before #30 Texas if you used all schools and had complete information.

Also, I would not interpret this the way you did. You say 87% of Harvard applicants will get into a top 25 medical school. The College Transitions list may be a multi-year sample size. The AAMC list is a one year sample size. (I have seen prior year data and it appears to remain fairly consistend, so one year is probably pretty good as a data point.) This approach is better data for just ranking overall success of graduates in top 25 admissions rather than identifying an acceptance rate.

One other point, there could be schools that would be on this list if we had better information. I will use Tufts as an example (and I have no affiliation whatsoever with Tufts). We know Tufts does not appear on the College Transitions total numbers or per capita lists. From the total numbers list, we would then know that they have fewer than 37 in the top 25 sample (outside of the top 30). From the per capita list, we know they are lower than Notre Dame, which is ranked 30. Notre Dame had 46 in the top 25 sample and has 8,731 undergraduates. So we know Notre Dame at #30 per capita has 5.3 students in the top 25 medical school sample per 1,000 undergraduates. Tufts has to be lower than 5.3 per 1,000 undergraduates. If Tufts had 5 students in the top 25 sample per 1,000 undergraduates, it would have about 29 students in the top 25 medical school sample. We know Tufts had 162 medical school applicants in the most recent year. Based on that, Tufts quotient would be 18%, which would rank it tied with Notre Dame and just behind Michigan.

Again, we have no information on Tufts in top 25 because they were outside of the top 30 in either of the College Transitions lists, but they could conceivably be well ahead of schools that are on your list when done on a per applicant basis.

[Anonymous]

Here is the entire list the way I did it (# known to be top 25 medical school alumni / # of medical school applicants in 2020). Normalized with Harvard = 100%:

# Institution Normalized
1 Harvard University 100%
2 Stanford University 87%
3 Princeton University 84%
4 Yale University 78%
5 Duke University 59%
6 Dartmouth College 58%
7 Williams 57%
8 Amherst 51%
9 Bowdoin 49%
10 Columbia University 46%
11 University of Pennsylvania 42%
12 Pomona 40%
13 Swarthmore 40%
14 University of Chicago 39%
15 Northwestern University 38%
16 Vanderbilt University 38%
17 Rice University 37%
18 Middlebury 35%
19 Washington University in St. Louis 32%
20 Wellesley 32%
21 Davidson 32%
22 Morehouse 31%
23 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 30%
24 Cornell University 30%
25 Brown University 29%
26 Johns Hopkins University 29%
27 Case Western Reserve University 28%
28 Haverford 26%
29 Emory University 22%
30 University of Michigan 22%
31 University of Notre Dame 21%
32 University of California, Berkeley 20%
33 University of Southern California 17%
34 New York University 15%
35 University of Washington 15%
36 University of Virginia 11%
37 University of Maryland, College Park 11%
38 University of California, San Diego 11%
39 University of California, Los Angeles 10%
40 The University of Texas at Austin 5%

The way I would interpret this is higher ranked schools have a higher percentage of their medical school applicants graduate from top 25 medical schools. If you compared Harvard (#1) with Texas (#40), on a per applicant basis, Texas places 5% as many medical school applicants in top 25 medical schools when compared to Harvard.

There may be a number of schools that are missing from this ranking because we do not have full data on the top 25 medical school sample.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the entire list the way I did it (# known to be top 25 medical school alumni / # of medical school applicants in 2020). Normalized with Harvard = 100%:

# Institution Normalized
1 Harvard University 100%
2 Stanford University 87%
3 Princeton University 84%
4 Yale University 78%
5 Duke University 59%
6 Dartmouth College 58%
7 Williams 57%
8 Amherst 51%
9 Bowdoin 49%
10 Columbia University 46%
11 University of Pennsylvania 42%
12 Pomona 40%
13 Swarthmore 40%
14 University of Chicago 39%
15 Northwestern University 38%
16 Vanderbilt University 38%
17 Rice University 37%
18 Middlebury 35%
19 Washington University in St. Louis 32%
20 Wellesley 32%
21 Davidson 32%
22 Morehouse 31%
23 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 30%
24 Cornell University 30%
25 Brown University 29%
26 Johns Hopkins University 29%
27 Case Western Reserve University 28%
28 Haverford 26%
29 Emory University 22%
30 University of Michigan 22%
31 University of Notre Dame 21%
32 University of California, Berkeley 20%
33 University of Southern California 17%
34 New York University 15%
35 University of Washington 15%
36 University of Virginia 11%
37 University of Maryland, College Park 11%
38 University of California, San Diego 11%
39 University of California, Los Angeles 10%
40 The University of Texas at Austin 5%

The way I would interpret this is higher ranked schools have a higher percentage of their medical school applicants graduate from top 25 medical schools. If you compared Harvard (#1) with Texas (#40), on a per applicant basis, Texas places 5% as many medical school applicants in top 25 medical schools when compared to Harvard.

There may be a number of schools that are missing from this ranking because we do not have full data on the top 25 medical school sample.

The bottom part of the list is there because they are big schools that have a lot of applicants to medical school, therefore they showed up in the top 30 for totals but not per capita. There could be a number of schools that have a higher percentage of applicants going to top 25 medical schools. I suspect the following may be above UT Austin: MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Georgetown, Tufts, William & Mary, Wake Forest, Carleton, and perhaps some other LACs.

[Anonymous]

Elite private schools discourage their less than stellar students from applying to medical schools. State schools do no such thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elite private schools discourage their less than stellar students from applying to medical schools. State schools do no such thing.

What about the weed out classes ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Elite private schools discourage their less than stellar students from applying to medical schools. State schools do no such thing.

What about the weed out classes ?

You can pass them with a C

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elite private schools discourage their less than stellar students from applying to medical schools. State schools do no such thing.

What about the weed out classes ?

You can pass them with a C

With a C it is highly unlikely to be in medical school.

[Anonymous]

You people really need a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elite private schools discourage their less than stellar students from applying to medical schools. State schools do no such thing.

Is that true? At many state schools references are from a committee. If they don't agree to give you one you are stymied.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP is posting a list adjusted by undergraduate enrollment, which is misleading. As other posters pointed out, if any adjustment needed, it needs to be divided by the # of pre-med students. Here is the raw number, the top list from the website:

1 Harvard University 196 Harvard Medical School Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons
2 Stanford University 161 Stanford University School of Medicine University of California, San Diego - School of Medicine
3 Duke University 159 Duke University School of Medicine The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
4 University of Michigan 143 University of Michigan Medical School Northwestern University - The Feinberg School of Medicine
5 Yale University 140 Yale University School of Medicine Harvard Medical School
6 University of California, Berkeley 128 University of California, San Francisco - School of Medicine University of California, San Diego - School of Medicine
7 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 125 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine Duke University School of Medicine
8 University of Pennsylvania 124 University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine Emory University School of Medicine
9 Johns Hopkins University 114 The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
10 Cornell University 110 Weill Medical College of Cornell University University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
11 Washington University in St. Louis 101 Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis Emory University School of Medicine
12 University of California, Los Angeles 99 David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA University of California, San Diego - School of Medicine
13 Princeton University 96 University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine Duke University School of Medicine
14 Vanderbilt University 93 Vanderbilt University School of Medicine Duke University School of Medicine
15 Northwestern University 85 Northwestern University - The Feinberg School of Medicine University of Michigan Medical School
16 Columbia University 83 Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons New York University School of Medicine
17 Emory University 74 Emory University School of Medicine University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine
18 Dartmouth College 72 Emory University School of Medicine University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
19 Brown University 72 New York University School of Medicine University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
20 Rice University 62 Baylor College of Medicine Stanford University School of Medicine
21 University of Chicago 59 The University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine Emory University School of Medicine
22 University of California, San Diego 57 University of California, San Diego - School of Medicine Stanford University School of Medicine
23 University of Washington 53 University of Washington - School of Medicine Duke University School of Medicine
24 Case Western Reserve University 47 Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine Duke University School of Medicine
25 University of Notre Dame 46 Vanderbilt University School of Medicine The University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine
26 University of Southern California 46 David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA University of California, San Diego - School of Medicine
27 University of Virginia 39 Emory University School of Medicine University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
28 The University of Texas at Austin 39 Baylor College of Medicine Emory University School of Medicine
29 University of Maryland, College Park 38 The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Emory University School of Medicine
30 New York University 37 New York University School of Medicine The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

For people who live in the DMV nice to see local public universities like UMD and UVA in the top 30.
Both affordable options for in state students

They are large schools, though. The only public university that appears in the list when shown on a per capita basis is UNC.

What is this obsession with adjusting for size. Get a life. This incessant pushing of SLAC is nauseating.