Why are academics frowned upon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So why is OP dissing progressive schools in metro DC if the problem rests with the entire US education system?

We are more likely to lose global leadership in all domains by censoring and restricting scientific inquiry - such as banning stem cell research - then whether OP likes how math is taught in PreK/K at local progressives (which no one is compelling OP's DC to attend)

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When you unban stem cell research in America who will do the research? Scientists from Europe and Asia?

OMG, folks come here, set up residency, undertake research, have families, and become US citizens. Future US citizens will do the research in addition to other US citizens and residents.

And more folks would go into academics and other types of scientific research if our nation had not become so economically stratified. Smart people go into finance, etc, not necessarily because of their love of deals and numbers, but because their incomes outstrip nearly every other profession. The med students of the 70s and 80s are the Wall Streeters of today.

The problem for this does not start with Green Acres' PreK curriculum.

[Anonymous]

You bet it does. Who are the parents sending kids to private and elite pre-K and K institutions like Green Arcres?

[Anonymous]

The poster from the 60s seems under the impression that all the immigrants who populate the labs here get citizenship and stay in the US?

News for the 60s poster ... the brain drain from Asia/India is no longer the one way street to the US given the opportunities back home and their GDP over the last decade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The poster from the 60s seems under the impression that all the immigrants who populate the labs here get citizenship and stay in the US?

News for the 60s poster ... the brain drain from Asia/India is no longer the one way street to the US given the opportunities back home and their GDP over the last decade.

Do you know many folks in the scientific community? Yes, a lot has changed over the last ten years (not 40, so calling me a "90s poster" would've been a more apt disparagement), but the folks I know in science fields in Asia and Europe prefer the States for their research opportunities and work hard to get here. Regardless of the reverse brain drain phenomenon, the problem is not, per se, the US ed system, but that middle class incomes for folks in academia and research fields (as well as a range of other professions) have becoming increasingly more tight. Quants find Wall Street more financially lucrative. (In addition, many of the major research labs have outsourced their work overseas and I know folks who relocated to those places when their labs closed.) This is a more nuanced situation than you may like.

A few friends scoffed when I said I hoped my DD pursued her science interests - "there is no money there."

[Anonymous]

OP - yes, the British School of Washington is more academic in the early years (as an earlier PP mentioned). Formal schooling starts earlier in the UK than here. They follow the English curriculum in the lower grades and then the International Baccalaureate in later years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The poster from the 60s seems under the impression that all the immigrants who populate the labs here get citizenship and stay in the US?

News for the 60s poster ... the brain drain from Asia/India is no longer the one way street to the US given the opportunities back home and their GDP over the last decade.

Do you know many folks in the scientific community? Yes, a lot has changed over the last ten years (not 40, so calling me a "90s poster" would've been a more apt disparagement), but the folks I know in science fields in Asia and Europe prefer the States for their research opportunities and work hard to get here. Regardless of the reverse brain drain phenomenon, the problem is not, per se, the US ed system, but that middle class incomes for folks in academia and research fields (as well as a range of other professions) have becoming increasingly more tight. Quants find Wall Street more financially lucrative. (In addition, many of the major research labs have outsourced their work overseas and I know folks who relocated to those places when their labs closed.) This is a more nuanced situation than you may like.

A few friends scoffed when I said I hoped my DD pursued her science interests - "there is no money there."

Many foreigners come here to study under other foreigners. It has been going on for a long time. The first good medical schools and engineering schools were imported from Germany.
Engineering is one of the highest paying bachelor's degrees. "Quants" who know something about industry pick stocks better and become better patent lawyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The poster from the 60s seems under the impression that all the immigrants who populate the labs here get citizenship and stay in the US?

News for the 60s poster ... the brain drain from Asia/India is no longer the one way street to the US given the opportunities back home and their GDP over the last decade.

Do you know many folks in the scientific community? Yes, a lot has changed over the last ten years (not 40, so calling me a "90s poster" would've been a more apt disparagement), but the folks I know in science fields in Asia and Europe prefer the States for their research opportunities and work hard to get here. Regardless of the reverse brain drain phenomenon, the problem is not, per se, the US ed system, but that middle class incomes for folks in academia and research fields (as well as a range of other professions) have becoming increasingly more tight. Quants find Wall Street more financially lucrative. (In addition, many of the major research labs have outsourced their work overseas and I know folks who relocated to those places when their labs closed.) This is a more nuanced situation than you may like.

A few friends scoffed when I said I hoped my DD pursued her science interests - "there is no money there."

Many foreigners come here to study under other foreigners. It has been going on for a long time. The first good medical schools and engineering schools were imported from Germany.
Engineering is one of the highest paying bachelor's degrees. "Quants" who know something about industry pick stocks better and become better patent lawyers.

BSE degreeholders are not keeping pace in terms of income with quants who go to Wall Street and law firms.

[Anonymous]

Math tracking is a good way to measure curriculum. If your child is on track for Algebra in grade 7 they are only about four years behind Viet Nam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The poster from the 60s seems under the impression that all the immigrants who populate the labs here get citizenship and stay in the US?

News for the 60s poster ... the brain drain from Asia/India is no longer the one way street to the US given the opportunities back home and their GDP over the last decade.

Do you know many folks in the scientific community? Yes, a lot has changed over the last ten years (not 40, so calling me a "90s poster" would've been a more apt disparagement), but the folks I know in science fields in Asia and Europe prefer the States for their research opportunities and work hard to get here. Regardless of the reverse brain drain phenomenon, the problem is not, per se, the US ed system, but that middle class incomes for folks in academia and research fields (as well as a range of other professions) have becoming increasingly more tight. Quants find Wall Street more financially lucrative. (In addition, many of the major research labs have outsourced their work overseas and I know folks who relocated to those places when their labs closed.) This is a more nuanced situation than you may like.

A few friends scoffed when I said I hoped my DD pursued her science interests - "there is no money there."

Many foreigners come here to study under other foreigners. It has been going on for a long time. The first good medical schools and engineering schools were imported from Germany.
Engineering is one of the highest paying bachelor's degrees. "Quants" who know something about industry pick stocks better and become better patent lawyers.

BSE degreeholders are not keeping pace in terms of income with quants who go to Wall Street and law firms.

Yes. My point is that if they go on in school to say law, there are more opportunities than the pol sci major who goes to law. Also, there are tons of lawyers and brokers that make nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You bet it does. Who are the parents sending kids to private and elite pre-K and K institutions like Green Arcres?

Actually, I think- and I don't know this for sure- that Green Acres benefits from more NIH & scientist type parents than many of the other independents which, as we all know, are loaded with lawyer/lobbyist/finance kids. And, while I was sort of offended by OP's question about lack of rigor in K & PK, there probably is a leaning toward language arts and social studies over science in many schools.