Time to start loking seriously into Double shift school system.

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I have that now. My spouse and I both make close to 100K a year. With an HHI of 190K we truly feel rich after living on 40K a year for so many years. We save about half our income and live on the other half. Life is good!

With a HHI of $190,000, you're objectively quite affluent, even by DC-region standards.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of split shifts and 4 day weeks. School is not daycare. It never was until around 30-40 years ago when families decided it was, because both partners chose to work outside the home and use one income to supplement the job of a homemaker, thinking they would have so much extra money. Fast forward to today and now it is basically forced.

Two overworked parents expecting FT daycare, food, mental health care, etc... with school because the economy caught up to two parents working. Constant cries of days off, no cheap camps, extra holidays, overpriced aftercare etc... Now everything but salaries has risen in the last 30 years and poverty has increased. Parents raising kids instead of daycare providers has decreased. Families barely surviving on two salaries and tons of credit card and mortgage debt. So many depending on the government for help.

Maybe this pandemic will make some families realize priorities need to change. This won’t be the last pandemic. Life can change drastically. Be prepared.

School was never daycare and should never be treated as such. It shouldn’t be a home and a way for kids to be fed for free either. It shouldn’t offer parenting courses, free aftercare, ESOL, parent ESOL classes, and TED talks for free either. The amount of money that is now spent NOT on education in the MCPS budget is disgusting. Let MCPS do the teaching and the county and town budget do social services.

I agree with you on all of this. Other agencies should be responsible for feeding/clothing/teaching English. Not schools. MCPS is already too big, and this makes it even harder to run such a large school system.

However, voters and the public support all of this being the responsibility of the schools. It is not favorable public opinion to leave this to other entities.

So, not much you can do.

Why not? Kids are in school for six hours. It behooves the schools to educate both parents and kids such that the kids have the tools to be better students. Teaching doesn't happen in a vacuum, as much as we want it to. Whether the county/state allocate the funds to CPS or some other organization to provide those services, it's still funds coming out of the budget.

Now, I don't agree that teachers themselves should be providing most of those services, but how do you feed a child lunch during the middle of the school day if the school isn't the one providing it? Should the child leave the school during lunch time to get that meal some place else? Who is going to get that child to that place to get the meal?

It would be great if all parents care and have enough money to provide food and a stable home life to their kids, but that's not reality. If your attitude is "tough sh1t then", well, I'll just remind you that it costs us taxpayers a lot more to pay for someone to be in prison than to pay for wrap around services from K-12 such that the child gets an education, and eventually becomes contributing member of society.


State prison cost per inmate, 2015 - Average cost per inmate $44,601/yr

Pretty sure free birth control is a lot cheaper too. Why do poor people pop out more kids than middle income and the rich? It is completely ridiculous. If you can not afford to raise a child from 0 to 17yrs old, than be a responsible human being and use birth control or not have sex. It is amazing how hard that is for idiots.

Sure, but we can't force people to take birth control. Why do poor people pop out more kids than middle income and the rich? Because they don't have easy access to birth control. Even if it was free, they'd have to take time off to go to the clinic and get it, and many poor people don't have the luxury to take time off during the day to do that, and/or it's harder for them to go to the clinic as many rely on public transportation. Have you ever heard the term "being poor is expensive"? No, probably not. It basically is about how to do one thing, like go to a clinic, it takes them several hours because the buses that they rely on take a long time to get them there.

Also, this is a chicken and the egg scenario... if low income kids are more educated and have better prospects, they would be less likely to get pregnant.

Or it’s due to religion because their religion doesn’t believe in birth control.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers had the work ethic of nurses, they would try to make things work instead of being such Debbie freaking downers all of the time.

There have been far more nurses’ strikes than teachers’ strikes. You need to research labor history before you speak about work ethic.

Strikes are not a proxy for "work ethic" -- unless you define "work ethic" as meaning the capacity to tolerate whatever your employment (and your employer) throws at you without complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers had the work ethic of nurses, they would try to make things work instead of being such Debbie freaking downers all of the time.

There have been far more nurses’ strikes than teachers’ strikes. You need to research labor history before you speak about work ethic.

Strikes are not a proxy for "work ethic" -- unless you define "work ethic" as meaning the capacity to tolerate whatever your employment (and your employer) throws at you without complaint.

PP is certainly positing the work ethic means no complaints.

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of split shifts and 4 day weeks. School is not daycare. It never was until around 30-40 years ago when families decided it was, because both partners chose to work outside the home and use one income to supplement the job of a homemaker, thinking they would have so much extra money. Fast forward to today and now it is basically forced.

Two overworked parents expecting FT daycare, food, mental health care, etc... with school because the economy caught up to two parents working. Constant cries of days off, no cheap camps, extra holidays, overpriced aftercare etc... Now everything but salaries has risen in the last 30 years and poverty has increased. Parents raising kids instead of daycare providers has decreased. Families barely surviving on two salaries and tons of credit card and mortgage debt. So many depending on the government for help.

Maybe this pandemic will make some families realize priorities need to change. This won’t be the last pandemic. Life can change drastically. Be prepared.

School was never daycare and should never be treated as such. It shouldn’t be a home and a way for kids to be fed for free either. It shouldn’t offer parenting courses, free aftercare, ESOL, parent ESOL classes, and TED talks for free either. The amount of money that is now spent NOT on education in the MCPS budget is disgusting. Let MCPS do the teaching and the county and town budget do social services.

I agree with you on all of this. Other agencies should be responsible for feeding/clothing/teaching English. Not schools. MCPS is already too big, and this makes it even harder to run such a large school system.

However, voters and the public support all of this being the responsibility of the schools. It is not favorable public opinion to leave this to other entities.

So, not much you can do.

Why not? Kids are in school for six hours. It behooves the schools to educate both parents and kids such that the kids have the tools to be better students. Teaching doesn't happen in a vacuum, as much as we want it to. Whether the county/state allocate the funds to CPS or some other organization to provide those services, it's still funds coming out of the budget.

Now, I don't agree that teachers themselves should be providing most of those services, but how do you feed a child lunch during the middle of the school day if the school isn't the one providing it? Should the child leave the school during lunch time to get that meal some place else? Who is going to get that child to that place to get the meal?

It would be great if all parents care and have enough money to provide food and a stable home life to their kids, but that's not reality. If your attitude is "tough sh1t then", well, I'll just remind you that it costs us taxpayers a lot more to pay for someone to be in prison than to pay for wrap around services from K-12 such that the child gets an education, and eventually becomes contributing member of society.


State prison cost per inmate, 2015 - Average cost per inmate $44,601/yr

Pretty sure free birth control is a lot cheaper too. Why do poor people pop out more kids than middle income and the rich? It is completely ridiculous. If you can not afford to raise a child from 0 to 17yrs old, than be a responsible human being and use birth control or not have sex. It is amazing how hard that is for idiots.

Sure, but we can't force people to take birth control. Why do poor people pop out more kids than middle income and the rich? Because they don't have easy access to birth control. Even if it was free, they'd have to take time off to go to the clinic and get it, and many poor people don't have the luxury to take time off during the day to do that, and/or it's harder for them to go to the clinic as many rely on public transportation. Have you ever heard the term "being poor is expensive"? No, probably not. It basically is about how to do one thing, like go to a clinic, it takes them several hours because the buses that they rely on take a long time to get them there.

Also, this is a chicken and the egg scenario... if low income kids are more educated and have better prospects, they would be less likely to get pregnant.

Wait, wait, wait. You are telling me poor people don’t use birth control because they don’t have time to get it. But they do have time to have sex enough to get pregnant 3 times in 4 years. Got it.

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Poor people have unplanned pregnancies for the same reasons well off people do. People slip up. Birth control isn’t infallible.

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

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Great idea. However, I see problems with keeping things adequately clean.

[Anonymous]

PS Op I have always felt society overall needs double shifting. Businesses that can should be required to allow people to select a shift over a 16 hour period per day. Incentivize the businesses to make this happen. Imagine the traffic improvements!

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

Again, no... it means living in Damascus or Mt. Airy or Derwood or Aspen Hill or the neighborhoods around Kennedy HS or in a cheap townhouse or apartment, because you have made your children a priority. Get out of your own bubble.

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

Again, no... it means living in Damascus or Mt. Airy or Derwood or Aspen Hill or the neighborhoods around Kennedy HS or in a cheap townhouse or apartment, because you have made your children a priority. Get out of your own bubble.

So people live in Bethesda because they have not made their children a priority? And people live in Aspen Hill because they have made their children a priority? PP, this is ridiculous. People live where they live for lots and lots and lots of reasons - speaking of bubbles. And no, it's not all about personal choices - also speaking of bubbles.

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

Again, no... it means living in Damascus or Mt. Airy or Derwood or Aspen Hill or the neighborhoods around Kennedy HS or in a cheap townhouse or apartment, because you have made your children a priority. Get out of your own bubble.

This.

I live in craptastic Aspen Hill and we have a good number of homeschoolers here. People who have one spouse who stays at home to teach. They live in a small, old house, in a not great neighborhood for that option. It’s not a privilege. They have planned for it and sacrifice.

We send our kids to MCPS, but none of us could afford to live in either Bethesda or Takoma Park.

Get out of your wealthy bubble.

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A big problem with this is that it effectively means parents will have to pay for childcare throughout elementary school. Instead of getting a full day of childcare with a slight aftercare supplement for a couple hours, they would need to spend much more.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown that school is primarily for childcare and other social functions. Logistically, it’s also more difficult because you’re transporting children more frequently.

This is one of the hundred reasons I choose to homeschool.

Shall we assume you have a partner who works?

Don’t be the smug homeschooler, PP.

+1 Homeschooling is a tremendous economic privilege. Glad you can swing it, if that's right for your family, but as an option for society it's terrible and your "I got mine" attitude is shocking.

NP - Please, everyone I know that homeschools makes tremendous economic sacrifices to do it. They purposefully choose a lifestyle that is doable on one income. That is not privilege, that is planning.

DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

Again, no... it means living in Damascus or Mt. Airy or Derwood or Aspen Hill or the neighborhoods around Kennedy HS or in a cheap townhouse or apartment, because you have made your children a priority. Get out of your own bubble.

So people live in Bethesda because they have not made their children a priority? And people live in Aspen Hill because they have made their children a priority? PP, this is ridiculous. People live where they live for lots and lots and lots of reasons - speaking of bubbles. And no, it's not all about personal choices - also speaking of bubbles.

DP

Your reading comprehension stinks.

The PP is saying that some people make sacrifices in order to homeschool.

People in both Bethesda and Aspen Hill May have made their kids a priority. People in both Aspen Hill and Bethesda might choose different priorities and make different sacrifices based on what is important to them.

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DC is one of the most expensive areas of the country. If you can afford to live on one income, you are privileged. Yes, it might mean the difference between a 1600 square foot bungalow in Historic Takoma Park (sacrifice!) and a 2000 square foot house in Bethesda (luxury!) but it's still privilege.

Again, no... it means living in Damascus or Mt. Airy or Derwood or Aspen Hill or the neighborhoods around Kennedy HS or in a cheap townhouse or apartment, because you have made your children a priority. Get out of your own bubble.

So people live in Bethesda because they have not made their children a priority? And people live in Aspen Hill because they have made their children a priority? PP, this is ridiculous. People live where they live for lots and lots and lots of reasons - speaking of bubbles. And no, it's not all about personal choices - also speaking of bubbles.

DP

Your reading comprehension stinks.

The PP is saying that some people make sacrifices in order to homeschool.

People in both Bethesda and Aspen Hill May have made their kids a priority. People in both Aspen Hill and Bethesda might choose different priorities and make different sacrifices based on what is important to them.

Still ridiculous. If you had the choice - well, should we live in Bethesda, or should we live in Aspen Hill and home school? - then yeah, you're privileged. Which is fine, but the whole thing about privilege is that not everybody has it.