Cities with No Children

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Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

to clarify - she lived with us in an apt when she was in elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

+1. My spouse grew up in a brownstone in NYC, with parents and sibs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

+1. My spouse grew up in a brownstone in NYC, with parents and sibs.

You realize how much has changed since your spouse was growing up, right? No one except the super rich can afford to live in brownstones anymore...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

+1. My spouse grew up in a brownstone in NYC, with parents and sibs.

You realize how much has changed since your spouse was growing up, right? No one except the super rich can afford to live in brownstones anymore...

PP. My spouse's parents are in fact well-off and still live there. There are definitely still families there (although yes, many are pretty affluent).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

+1. My spouse grew up in a brownstone in NYC, with parents and sibs.

You realize how much has changed since your spouse was growing up, right? No one except the super rich can afford to live in brownstones anymore...

PP. My spouse's parents are in fact well-off and still live there. There are definitely still families there (although yes, many are pretty affluent).

There are non affluent families in Flatbush, in Flushing, in Canarsie, all over NYC. I do not know what the PP who says no children live in NYC is referring to, but I do not think they have spent any time in NYC recently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

Why would they want the headache and noise?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

Why would they want the headache and noise?

What headaches? And most of the noise in cities is from motor vehicles, not children playing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

Why would they want the headache and noise?

Daycares have no impact on noise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can see this with housing. Tearing down single-family homes and replacing them with luxury condos is reducing the available stock of homes for people with children. It's basically saying we cater to childless adults.

You mean the popups, which typically involved a 3 BR TH going to two or three 2 BR condos?

Well, yeah - if we built more midrise/hirise condos, enough supply to lower the price for condos, there would be less incentive to do those kinds of flips. They would still become luxury though - old unrenovated 3BR houses are going to become renovated luxury 3BR houses. Only real way to make housing for families affordable close to a desired central city is to get (even UMC) families used to living in condos/apts, as they do in NYC.

Oh, yes, nothing conjures the notion of "affordable for families" quite like NYC condos and apartments.

You cannot be for real.

Hmmm? There are only so many acres in DC. There is a maximum limit to how many people can live in THs and detached SFHs in DC. No room for more. Unless you move most of the jobs out of DC, or get most people to prefer long commutes to living in DC, there is no way to make it possible for most people who want detached SFHs (or even THs) to be able to afford them (though building enough apts to get the singles living as roommates out of the houses would help)

So again, the only way to make it possible for families with kids to be a much larger share of people who live in DC, is to change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable. I doubt that would lead to apt rents as high as in NYC, because DC is a smaller employment center than NYC - I mentioned NYC only to indicate a place where middle class people do not feel "poor" because they raise a kid in an apt or condo.

"Change the culture so that raising a kid in an apt is more acceptable"? Are you for real? You obviously don't have children or you would know how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Also, why are people even talking about NYC? There are no children in NYC. Everybody leaves when they have kids because kids need space and there is no space in NYC.

1. Yes I am for real. I exist

2. I have a grown child. She lived with us in an apartment.

3. There are lots of children in NYC.

+1. My spouse grew up in a brownstone in NYC, with parents and sibs.

You realize how much has changed since your spouse was growing up, right? No one except the super rich can afford to live in brownstones anymore...

PP. My spouse's parents are in fact well-off and still live there. There are definitely still families there (although yes, many are pretty affluent).

There are non affluent families in Flatbush, in Flushing, in Canarsie, all over NYC. I do not know what the PP who says no children live in NYC is referring to, but I do not think they have spent any time in NYC recently.

I don't think anyone is saying there are no children in NYC. But the number of children is apparently declining. And it's easy to see why. It's not just UMC people flocking to the suburbs and bigger quarters/better schools but it's also poorer people being priced out too.

[Anonymous]

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I don't think anyone is saying there are no children in NYC. But the number of children is apparently declining. And it's easy to see why. It's not just UMC people flocking to the suburbs and bigger quarters/better schools but it's also poorer people being priced out too.

Nobody is "flocking to" the suburbs. Especially not people who live in the suburbs because that's where there's housing they can afford.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

Why would they want the headache and noise?

What headaches? And most of the noise in cities is from motor vehicles, not children playing.

So that’s why the civic associations in Arlington are always to welcoming to daycares and never try to put a stop to them? Neighbors complain about parking and traffic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love it. No kids because I can’t have any, but I’ve come to terms with it and embrace it now. I don’t want to live near daycares and playgrounds.

So... you haven’t come to terms with it....

Why would they want the headache and noise?

Daycares have no impact on noise.

Playgrounds are very noisy

[Anonymous]

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So that’s why the civic associations in Arlington are always to welcoming to daycares and never try to put a stop to them? Neighbors complain about parking and traffic.

To be fair, neighbors complain about parking and traffic FOR ANYTHING. It's not specifically a daycare thing. No matter what is proposed, neighbors will complain about parking and traffic.