Who do you think is more delusional about who’s “in their league”? Men or women?

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Ime

Both are equally delusional at first BUT women stick to their guns and end up permanently single.

Men- bend (less common) or somehow end up with a far more attractive woman, but they often have ‘issues’ (more common)

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Anonymous wrote:I have a divorced friend who is divorced in her forties. She never finished college and never had a real job. She has plastic surgery and looks good for her age (48). She is still almost 50 and often says how she won’t settle. Her standards are only higher now and wants the total package.

In my experience, both men and women on the internet are delusional. In real life, most men and women are tempered in their expectations, whcih is why PP's friend stands out. She is the exception, not the rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Women are not taking about the first “baseline” attraction part because if they ask you for full body gym pictures men would stamp them “sl..ts”. I know, I tried. Men hate when their looks are being considered . They are raised to believe that other qualities overweigh the looks. But it’s just not the case.

Just as a hint - if your BMI is clearly higher than hers - she is not really attracted or horny. Also a good indicator of where your “lane “ is - when a financially sound attractive woman declines the next date. Her looks and age are your absolute best you can ever achieve in life.

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Anonymous wrote:Men.

Because they seem to believe $ can undo all of their other flaws. (It does not for quality women.)

Well, in fairness, having the dollars works. How many of you married flawed men because of their high income?

Delusions change over time. An attractive woman in her 20s - which is many, many women at that age - has her pick of men. But as you go further up the age brackets, it changes. A successful, handsome man in his 30s now has his pick of women. The power dynamics have completely reversed at 35. Men have all the cards here. It gets more complicated in the 40s and 50s. There are usually divorces to deal with at this point. Attractive people who take good care of themselves at this age point can usually still find flings, often with much younger partners. But finding a life partner - for companionship, good sex, and who is also sane and solvent - becomes much more complicated. Men with money will often settle for the younger woman because she brings the body. But he often loses out on the companionship and having a real partner. It's basically transactional. And women at this age point - anecdotally - seem to make a lot of mistakes. Finding a real partner at this point is more about luck than any intrinsic power dynamics.

You are responding to a post that specifically stated quality women cannot be bought.

So please stop painting all of us with your misogynistic brush.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Hmm, as a woman I do agree, but looks/attraction are totally subjective and fluid. I’ve been attracted to men who weren’t objectively attractive compared to societal standards, but for some reason I was completely drawn to and turned on by them. I’ve also seen “attractive” men who do nothing for me (for example, I don’t find most male celebrities very attractive). All of my girl friends are attracted to very different men. I like dorky looking guys, my best friend likes bad boys.

You should still be sensitive, competent, have a sense of humor, etc. There are women who will be attracted to you for your looks, but won’t stick around if you don’t have the rest (and even if they did, is that really the kind of woman you want?)

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Women are not taking about the first “baseline” attraction part because if they ask you for full body gym pictures men would stamp them “sl..ts”. I know, I tried. Men hate when their looks are being considered . They are raised to believe that other qualities overweigh the looks. But it’s just not the case.

Just as a hint - if your BMI is clearly higher than hers - she is not really attracted or horny. Also a good indicator of where your “lane “ is - when a financially sound attractive woman declines the next date. Her looks and age are your absolute best you can ever achieve in life.

I'm an older guy, long time married. So this is all pretty much behind me. But I definitely grew up with the message that looks were not a top priority for women. Magazine articles, casual conversations, any place where the subject of "what do you look for in a man" was raised - physical attributes were never at the top of the list. But once I became sensible enough to ignore what I heard and just look around, it became pretty clear what the deal was. Ugly funny guys were often single. Handsome guys with no sense of humor rarely were.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Hmm, as a woman I do agree, but looks/attraction are totally subjective and fluid. I’ve been attracted to men who weren’t objectively attractive compared to societal standards, but for some reason I was completely drawn to and turned on by them. I’ve also seen “attractive” men who do nothing for me (for example, I don’t find most male celebrities very attractive). All of my girl friends are attracted to very different men. I like dorky looking guys, my best friend likes bad boys.

You should still be sensitive, competent, have a sense of humor, etc. There are women who will be attracted to you for your looks, but won’t stick around if you don’t have the rest (and even if they did, is that really the kind of woman you want?)

What you wrote actually is not supported by research. When asked to rate who they are attracted to, women were finding “attractive” the same set of shown male profiles. Just the same as with men . Attractiveness level can be actually measured and quantified

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Is it delusional if it comes to pass? I think this varies by area and subsets but silly to think we could subjectively say who is more attractive when none of us would even agree on who is the most attractive celebrity or what qualities we prize most.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it delusional if it comes to pass? I think this varies by area and subsets but silly to think we could subjectively say who is more attractive when none of us would even agree on who is the most attractive celebrity or what qualities we prize most.

That’s not the case. Multiple studies have showed that men and women find attractive the same subset of people. Both genders are also able to place themselves on the attractiveness ladder.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Hmm, as a woman I do agree, but looks/attraction are totally subjective and fluid. I’ve been attracted to men who weren’t objectively attractive compared to societal standards, but for some reason I was completely drawn to and turned on by them. I’ve also seen “attractive” men who do nothing for me (for example, I don’t find most male celebrities very attractive). All of my girl friends are attracted to very different men. I like dorky looking guys, my best friend likes bad boys.

You should still be sensitive, competent, have a sense of humor, etc. There are women who will be attracted to you for your looks, but won’t stick around if you don’t have the rest (and even if they did, is that really the kind of woman you want?)

What you wrote actually is not supported by research. When asked to rate who they are attracted to, women were finding “attractive” the same set of shown male profiles. Just the same as with men . Attractiveness level can be actually measured and quantified

Sounds like this was for OLD profiles? That's a bit different.

For one, so much of attraction is in-person chemistry. I've been wildly attracted to men in real life who I would have swiped past on a dating app. That's why it's so important to meet people in real life.

Second, most men's OLD profiles are truly awful. I'd say 80% don't even have the 'About me' section filled out. The photos are all selfies at unflattering angles in bad lighting.

When you give so little to make a judgement off of, of course women will swipe right on the 10-20% of men who have taken the time to craft an excellent profile. Good pictures, fill the entire thing out, tell about yourself and your lifestyle.

On OLD profiles, I do focus on their looks and career first and foremost. But that's just because there's so little else to go off of. I do occasionally come across profiles of men who aren't the most attractive or successful, but they have an excellent profile, are interesting, and we have a lot in common. I always swipe right on them.

I don't really get why men complain about how hard OLD is. It really doesn't take much to stand out from everyone else. I just had a date last night with a man who isn't very attractive by conventional standards (although I found him cute), works in middle management, but his profile was so sweet and he took the time to ask me thoughtful questions about myself. Compared to the 90% of men who just message 'hey wyd' every few days. Didn't get a chance to sleep with him last night, but hoping to this weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:Men think they are entitled to someone who is more attractive than they are, and women think they are entitled to someone who has more money than they do.

Indeed, I am. Why wouldn't I be entitled to an attractive woman? One of us has to be the less attractive one. Why does that have to be her and not me. Women say all the time that looks are not as important to them as they are for men. They value other qualities in a man a lot more than looks. Is that true, or not? Either way, I've always been glad to put it to the test.

You are not entitled to someone who wouldn’t want you. I’m not entitled to have the most expensive car or the youngest man and I realize that.
Women need to be attracted to choose you. It’s pointless to pursue in a way, should be a two-way street.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Entitled, is an over-used word these days especially by women. Indeed, I feel that I'm entitled to a good life if I put in the effort to achieve it. I'm also entitled to happiness and that includes having a partner who may be out of my league by my judgement while I may be perfect, or at least good enough in her estimation. It's for her to decide of course but I'm not going to limit myself. Women certainly don't and it's normal for them to pursue high-value men. When it comes to men doing the same, why the derision?

The issue is that you operate in terms of “high value” in relationships. Your thinking is clouded by your idea of a perfect woman. And you almost don’t care how she feels about you - possessing her as an object is your main goal. Eg dating is feeding into your ego .

Men like you end up with pretty women who don’t want to sleep with them. Then they complain at no sex in marriage etc.

You gave up on finding mutuality because you just settled for pretty body that wants your resources.

It’s very easy to see partner feels about you , you just need to be observant. You just don’t care

People like you will never be happy. Because beauty comes and goes - you will always “upgrade”

Wow, you really have me figured out, don't you? You sure like to project. Hey, dumbass, the whole thread is about "high-value" people. How else do you define someone who is out of your league? That said, I never defined her as you have defined it for me, putting words in my mouth. I also never used the word, perfect, or even pretty. And when did I say I don't care how she feels about me? How does that make any sense? What do you know of my resources? Go speculate on someone else's comments. You don't know anything about me except that I sometimes choose to pursue women whom I consider, out of my league. BTW, that could describe nearly any women if I was: old, fat, ugly, broke, feeble minded, etc.

It’s because you believe you are untitled to a woman who is more attractive than you (you said it’s okay for woman to be more attractive didn’t you ?). You don’t believe women are also visual and sexual beings. We need to be attracted, too!

IMO women need to be more forthright about how being with them is a lottery where you have to look good enough to even be in the drawing. Only after that threshold is cleared will other qualities - sense of humor, sensitivity, competence, etc. - get you across the finish line.

Guys hear women talking about the second part without being explicit about the first part which ends up making the second part sound like disingenuous bullshit.

Hmm, as a woman I do agree, but looks/attraction are totally subjective and fluid. I’ve been attracted to men who weren’t objectively attractive compared to societal standards, but for some reason I was completely drawn to and turned on by them. I’ve also seen “attractive” men who do nothing for me (for example, I don’t find most male celebrities very attractive). All of my girl friends are attracted to very different men. I like dorky looking guys, my best friend likes bad boys.

You should still be sensitive, competent, have a sense of humor, etc. There are women who will be attracted to you for your looks, but won’t stick around if you don’t have the rest (and even if they did, is that really the kind of woman you want?)

What you wrote actually is not supported by research. When asked to rate who they are attracted to, women were finding “attractive” the same set of shown male profiles. Just the same as with men . Attractiveness level can be actually measured and quantified

Sounds like this was for OLD profiles? That's a bit different.

For one, so much of attraction is in-person chemistry. I've been wildly attracted to men in real life who I would have swiped past on a dating app. That's why it's so important to meet people in real life.

Second, most men's OLD profiles are truly awful. I'd say 80% don't even have the 'About me' section filled out. The photos are all selfies at unflattering angles in bad lighting.

When you give so little to make a judgement off of, of course women will swipe right on the 10-20% of men who have taken the time to craft an excellent profile. Good pictures, fill the entire thing out, tell about yourself and your lifestyle.

On OLD profiles, I do focus on their looks and career first and foremost. But that's just because there's so little else to go off of. I do occasionally come across profiles of men who aren't the most attractive or successful, but they have an excellent profile, are interesting, and we have a lot in common. I always swipe right on them.

I don't really get why men complain about how hard OLD is. It really doesn't take much to stand out from everyone else. I just had a date last night with a man who isn't very attractive by conventional standards (although I found him cute), works in middle management, but his profile was so sweet and he took the time to ask me thoughtful questions about myself. Compared to the 90% of men who just message 'hey wyd' every few days. Didn't get a chance to sleep with him last night, but hoping to this weekend.

You sleep with men on second date? How many second dates do you get?