MCPS gave County list of snow issues on Sunday at 2:13 pm. Under 2 hours later MCPS blamed County for Monday closure

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Anonymous wrote:Does the county have a map of MCPS bus routes and bus stops?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

+1000 The school bus routes and stops are not some securely guarded secret.

Do you seriously think this information is in a format that makes it efficient to identify streets/intersections with school bus service? It would take hours just to compile all of these individual PDF documents.

I’m sure AI or some kid at Blair SMCS could do it even faster. It’s ridiculous to say that these are unknown.

Nobody said it was unknown. I asked if the county has a map of them. As far as I can tell no comprehensive map of MCPS bus routes is publicly available. And as a PP said, even if AI could compile the information accurately (really??? Lol) it doesn't actually tell you the routes the buses take, just where they stop.

No, it is not reasonable to expect MCDOT to proactively comb through these PDFs to check if school buses can navigate these particular streets. This is the sort of thing where county agencies should work together, but they don't. And for MCPS bureaucrats to publicly bash MCDOT after MCPS office staff gave themselves a week off because snow, does not give me hope for future collaboration. I don't think MCPS even wants to collaborate they want a scapegoat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the county have a map of MCPS bus routes and bus stops?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

+1000 The school bus routes and stops are not some securely guarded secret.

Do you seriously think this information is in a format that makes it efficient to identify streets/intersections with school bus service? It would take hours just to compile all of these individual PDF documents.

I’m sure AI or some kid at Blair SMCS could do it even faster. It’s ridiculous to say that these are unknown.

Nobody said it was unknown. I asked if the county has a map of them. As far as I can tell no comprehensive map of MCPS bus routes is publicly available. And as a PP said, even if AI could compile the information accurately (really??? Lol) it doesn't actually tell you the routes the buses take, just where they stop.

No, it is not reasonable to expect MCDOT to proactively comb through these PDFs to check if school buses can navigate these particular streets. This is the sort of thing where county agencies should work together, but they don't. And for MCPS bureaucrats to publicly bash MCDOT after MCPS office staff gave themselves a week off because snow, does not give me hope for future collaboration. I don't think MCPS even wants to collaborate they want a scapegoat.

You sound like you’re over the age of 60 and/or not particularly tech savvy. If McPS asked and a teacher offered this as an extra credit project, a smart kid would have this done in less than 2 hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the county have a map of MCPS bus routes and bus stops?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

+1000 The school bus routes and stops are not some securely guarded secret.

Do you seriously think this information is in a format that makes it efficient to identify streets/intersections with school bus service? It would take hours just to compile all of these individual PDF documents.

I’m sure AI or some kid at Blair SMCS could do it even faster. It’s ridiculous to say that these are unknown.

Nobody said it was unknown. I asked if the county has a map of them. As far as I can tell no comprehensive map of MCPS bus routes is publicly available. And as a PP said, even if AI could compile the information accurately (really??? Lol) it doesn't actually tell you the routes the buses take, just where they stop.

No, it is not reasonable to expect MCDOT to proactively comb through these PDFs to check if school buses can navigate these particular streets. This is the sort of thing where county agencies should work together, but they don't. And for MCPS bureaucrats to publicly bash MCDOT after MCPS office staff gave themselves a week off because snow, does not give me hope for future collaboration. I don't think MCPS even wants to collaborate they want a scapegoat.

You sound like you’re over the age of 60 and/or not particularly tech savvy. If McPS asked and a teacher offered this as an extra credit project, a smart kid would have this done in less than 2 hours.

Lol you have no idea how wrong you are. Why don't you whip this school bus route map up tonight and show us all how easy it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

I don’t think they were bashing the county, I think they were dealing with angry townspeople with pitchforks and having to explain that MCPS alone does not clear snow from the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

How would the county know what path the buses will take? Or the specific capabilities of the buses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

I don’t think they were bashing the county, I think they were dealing with angry townspeople with pitchforks and having to explain that MCPS alone does not clear snow from the county.

No, they made a point to say "we did our job but go yell at the county now" less than 2 hours after they bothered to talk to the county about remaining issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard about that. I think MCPS was asleep at the wheel all of last week, not realizing that this snowstorm was different from all the other storms we've had, and that snowplows had great difficulty clearing the ice... and so MCPS panicked over the weekend when they realized parents would be furious if Monday wasn't open, and threw everyone under the bus. I noticed they blamed homeowners as well.

I am still so angry that central office staff got a six-day vacation. They should have been working with the option to work from home.

[Anonymous]

Listen to yourselves! This was a massive storm, because of the inches of ice that fell. There are major roads still not fully cleared, where a lane suddenly disappears due to piles of ice and snow. There are people, including the elderly and disabled, who haven't shoveled their sidewalks. Neighborhoods have ice walls due to plows pushing the snow and ice to the sides, where there is no way the kids can get safely to school wothout walking in the street and no way large school busses can turn narrow corners made even narrower.

I have lived in the county for 30 years in 2 different areas of the county (east and west), and we havent had this kind of weather before.

I get you had to work and had kids home from school, but allow some grace for a rare ice/snow storm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen to yourselves! This was a massive storm, because of the inches of ice that fell. There are major roads still not fully cleared, where a lane suddenly disappears due to piles of ice and snow. There are people, including the elderly and disabled, who haven't shoveled their sidewalks. Neighborhoods have ice walls due to plows pushing the snow and ice to the sides, where there is no way the kids can get safely to school wothout walking in the street and no way large school busses can turn narrow corners made even narrower.

I have lived in the county for 30 years in 2 different areas of the county (east and west), and we havent had this kind of weather before.

I get you had to work and had kids home from school, but allow some grace for a rare ice/snow storm

MCPS didn't show "grace" for MCDOT. Gross after they gave themselves a week off instead of, at minimum, teleworking for office staff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

I don’t think they were bashing the county, I think they were dealing with angry townspeople with pitchforks and having to explain that MCPS alone does not clear snow from the county.

No, they made a point to say "we did our job but go yell at the county now" less than 2 hours after they bothered to talk to the county about remaining issues.

Right, so what is wrong with telling people to take it up with the county? And again, why do they even need to tell the county a list of issues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen to yourselves! This was a massive storm, because of the inches of ice that fell. There are major roads still not fully cleared, where a lane suddenly disappears due to piles of ice and snow. There are people, including the elderly and disabled, who haven't shoveled their sidewalks. Neighborhoods have ice walls due to plows pushing the snow and ice to the sides, where there is no way the kids can get safely to school wothout walking in the street and no way large school busses can turn narrow corners made even narrower.

I have lived in the county for 30 years in 2 different areas of the county (east and west), and we havent had this kind of weather before.

I get you had to work and had kids home from school, but allow some grace for a rare ice/snow storm

We knew the snow wasn't going to melt. And we knew snow wouldn't magically disappear from all sidewalks and bus stops. It was always clear that at some point we'd just have to accept that walking on snow isn't that dangerous. There was no reason we needed to lose an extra three school days before realizing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

I don’t think they were bashing the county, I think they were dealing with angry townspeople with pitchforks and having to explain that MCPS alone does not clear snow from the county.

No, they made a point to say "we did our job but go yell at the county now" less than 2 hours after they bothered to talk to the county about remaining issues.

Right, so what is wrong with telling people to take it up with the county? And again, why do they even need to tell the county a list of issues?

Because those issues were what was keeping MCPS from reopening.

If my kid's teacher is not following the 504 plan I take it up with her first before blasting her on social media and tagging the superintendent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not the smoking gun you think it is. You could just as easily argue that the county shouldn’t need a list.

Anybody can argue anything, it doesn't mean it makes any sense to send them a list and then within a couple of hours publicly bash them. Imagine if my kid's teacher wasn't following the 504 plan and my first step was to bash her on Twitter. Come on.

I don’t think they were bashing the county, I think they were dealing with angry townspeople with pitchforks and having to explain that MCPS alone does not clear snow from the county.

Like MCPS blamed the MoCo community for inadequately shoveling as the reason they couldn’t open 8 days after a storm?

[Anonymous]

Some of you seem to think only MCPS deserves "grace" y'all are a bunch of narcissists that are convinced it was okay to get a 5 day vacation while our community was in crisis