Teachers absent for days before winter break

[Anonymous]

Good lord who cares? Teachers have PTO and can use it for vacation.

[Anonymous]

Over the years, a sort of vicious cycle has emerged. Families leave early for vacation. Teachers know a lot of kids will be gone so some don't plan important lessons. Parents who otherwise wouldn't leave early then figure out that few classes. have important lessons the few days before vacations (and the other teachers pretty much always plan for makeups) so they, themselves, leave early. And the teachers that were holding out to doing substantive things those days face even smaller classes so plan easy-to-miss lessons, accordingly.

If anything, having teachers use their leave on these days where the collective has decided to eschew substantive work is optimal for everyone!

[Anonymous]

This thread is wild. OP you suck. I hope your child’s teachers are enjoying their well deserved vacation. Teachers are people too!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t MCPS have some kind of policy about teachers taking planned leave right before a break? Multiple of my kid’s teachers at Pyle were already gone on vacation yesterday or have announced they will be gone Monday and Tuesday.

I get having easy/review lessons or even playing movies, but to be already gone on vacation seems unprofessional.

Are you just a stay at home mommy? Stay in your lane.

Jealous that you have to work? Stay in your lane.

No reason why a teacher cannot travel at Christmas, but it does seem a bit absurd to take an entire week off given there is a longer holiday. We have several teachers out frequently and it ends up being they don't get through the curriculum.

+1 to the bolded. What makes it absurd is how much time teachers already get off. Even if you don't count the summer, the breaks during the year are about as much time as most people get off in a 12 month job. That's fine, but it feels like a very minimal expectation to say you need to be there on the days students are, unless you're sick. If my office were about to close for two weeks, I wouldn't be allowed to take the two days before that off. My boss and clients would object.

My family and my health will ALWAYS come first. I know we like to martyr our teachers because they should care more about their students than their own families, but many of us increasingly are putting ourselves first. And that’s a good thing because it’ll keep us from spectacularly burning out like so many of our colleagues before us.

Going to work on your scheduled days doesn't make you a martyr. You get two weeks off for Christmas which is more than most of us. It won't hurt your family or your health to go to work.

10 month teachers don’t get annual leave. We get winter break and spring break instead. Whomever said teachers get a lot of leave probably works from home with a flexible schedule and doesn’t even have to use the leave that they’re allotted. Eye roll.

Before someone mentions summer “break” that is unpaid leave!! We have to put money aside to use during the summer. We don’t get year round pay in MCPS (other counties do).

I'm the one that said teachers get a lot of vacation, and I'm absolutely right (and, unlike teachers, I never worked from home). In ten months, you get as much as most people get in a year. Not counting the holidays most people get, this year MCPS teachers get:

Wednesday and Friday of the week of Thanksgiving
Six days at Christmas
Six days for Spring Break
Five additional non-instructional days

That's more than an average American gets in a year, but you get it in three quarters of the year. For working parents, lots of us use all or most of our leave for a 12 month job just keeping up with the days you get off during ten months. For us, it looks like you get plenty of leave without also jetting off for vacation early while our kids are expected to go to class.

These aren’t “days of leave.” These are days we aren’t contracted to be at school. There is a difference. We are only paid for a set amount of days each year.

You also write above that you’ve never worked from home. I work from home— maybe 6 hours on Saturday, 5 hours on Sunday, and 2-3 hours every weeknight.
Teachers work a compressed schedule, with 12 months of work crammed into 10.

But if this sounds preferable to you, then know you can always apply. Join a program for career changers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t MCPS have some kind of policy about teachers taking planned leave right before a break? Multiple of my kid’s teachers at Pyle were already gone on vacation yesterday or have announced they will be gone Monday and Tuesday.

I get having easy/review lessons or even playing movies, but to be already gone on vacation seems unprofessional.

Are you just a stay at home mommy? Stay in your lane.

Jealous that you have to work? Stay in your lane.

No reason why a teacher cannot travel at Christmas, but it does seem a bit absurd to take an entire week off given there is a longer holiday. We have several teachers out frequently and it ends up being they don't get through the curriculum.

+1 to the bolded. What makes it absurd is how much time teachers already get off. Even if you don't count the summer, the breaks during the year are about as much time as most people get off in a 12 month job. That's fine, but it feels like a very minimal expectation to say you need to be there on the days students are, unless you're sick. If my office were about to close for two weeks, I wouldn't be allowed to take the two days before that off. My boss and clients would object.

My family and my health will ALWAYS come first. I know we like to martyr our teachers because they should care more about their students than their own families, but many of us increasingly are putting ourselves first. And that’s a good thing because it’ll keep us from spectacularly burning out like so many of our colleagues before us.

Going to work on your scheduled days doesn't make you a martyr. You get two weeks off for Christmas which is more than most of us. It won't hurt your family or your health to go to work.

10 month teachers don’t get annual leave. We get winter break and spring break instead. Whomever said teachers get a lot of leave probably works from home with a flexible schedule and doesn’t even have to use the leave that they’re allotted. Eye roll.

Before someone mentions summer “break” that is unpaid leave!! We have to put money aside to use during the summer. We don’t get year round pay in MCPS (other counties do).

I'm the one that said teachers get a lot of vacation, and I'm absolutely right (and, unlike teachers, I never worked from home). In ten months, you get as much as most people get in a year. Not counting the holidays most people get, this year MCPS teachers get:

Wednesday and Friday of the week of Thanksgiving
Six days at Christmas
Six days for Spring Break
Five additional non-instructional days

That's more than an average American gets in a year, but you get it in three quarters of the year. For working parents, lots of us use all or most of our leave for a 12 month job just keeping up with the days you get off during ten months. For us, it looks like you get plenty of leave without also jetting off for vacation early while our kids are expected to go to class.

FYI non-instructional days are not days off for teachers. These are designated for mandatory training, professional development, parent teacher conferences, curriculum planning, etc. For me, non-instructional days are actually more demanding work days than regular teaching days. To label them as vacation days is completely misguided.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

OP clearly stated that her kid is a student at Pyle. When someone asked if OP was a SAHM, her response was “Jealous that you have to work?”

[Anonymous]

Good god! I love how OP started this thread on what their tween reported. Even if accurate, it’s essentially a few teachers out of 80 teachers at Pyle. My guess is OP’s kid is trying pulled the ‘ol, “I don’t wanna go to school those days. My friends are going away and even my teachers won’t be there!”

OP, even if your child is reporting it correctly, teachers should be free to take their leave as needed, without scrutiny. Sometimes illnesses, surgeries and other events don’t align with school breaks, and this is why those days are available to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t MCPS have some kind of policy about teachers taking planned leave right before a break? Multiple of my kid’s teachers at Pyle were already gone on vacation yesterday or have announced they will be gone Monday and Tuesday.

I get having easy/review lessons or even playing movies, but to be already gone on vacation seems unprofessional.

Are you just a stay at home mommy? Stay in your lane.

Jealous that you have to work? Stay in your lane.

No reason why a teacher cannot travel at Christmas, but it does seem a bit absurd to take an entire week off given there is a longer holiday. We have several teachers out frequently and it ends up being they don't get through the curriculum.

+1 to the bolded. What makes it absurd is how much time teachers already get off. Even if you don't count the summer, the breaks during the year are about as much time as most people get off in a 12 month job. That's fine, but it feels like a very minimal expectation to say you need to be there on the days students are, unless you're sick. If my office were about to close for two weeks, I wouldn't be allowed to take the two days before that off. My boss and clients would object.

My family and my health will ALWAYS come first. I know we like to martyr our teachers because they should care more about their students than their own families, but many of us increasingly are putting ourselves first. And that’s a good thing because it’ll keep us from spectacularly burning out like so many of our colleagues before us.

Going to work on your scheduled days doesn't make you a martyr. You get two weeks off for Christmas which is more than most of us. It won't hurt your family or your health to go to work.

10 month teachers don’t get annual leave. We get winter break and spring break instead. Whomever said teachers get a lot of leave probably works from home with a flexible schedule and doesn’t even have to use the leave that they’re allotted. Eye roll.

Before someone mentions summer “break” that is unpaid leave!! We have to put money aside to use during the summer. We don’t get year round pay in MCPS (other counties do).

I'm the one that said teachers get a lot of vacation, and I'm absolutely right (and, unlike teachers, I never worked from home). In ten months, you get as much as most people get in a year. Not counting the holidays most people get, this year MCPS teachers get:

Wednesday and Friday of the week of Thanksgiving
Six days at Christmas
Six days for Spring Break
Five additional non-instructional days

That's more than an average American gets in a year, but you get it in three quarters of the year. For working parents, lots of us use all or most of our leave for a 12 month job just keeping up with the days you get off during ten months. For us, it looks like you get plenty of leave without also jetting off for vacation early while our kids are expected to go to class.

FYI non-instructional days are not days off for teachers. These are designated for mandatory training, professional development, parent teacher conferences, curriculum planning, etc. For me, non-instructional days are actually more demanding work days than regular teaching days. To label them as vacation days is completely misguided.

That person you are replying to that actually took the time to count all the “vacation” days is completely unhinged. lol omg. Who does that!!!

Are they going to count the days all other public service jobs have off too? What weirdos. Spend some time with your family people. Unless they can’t stand you.. which makes sense why you come here to complain about such asinine things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

You can be at work posting all day. I don’t get the resentment of someone not working. You can change your lifestyle and not work or reduce your hours. At Pyle, especially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

OP clearly stated that her kid is a student at Pyle. When someone asked if OP was a SAHM, her response was “Jealous that you have to work?”

Why take digs on someone who doesn’t work? You are wealthy at Pyle.

[Anonymous]

FFS. Do Pyle parents not have anything better to complain about? So your kid’s teachers took a couple days off before break. OMG your precious middle schooler had to have a sub for 2 days of watching movies. No real teaching is done the Monday and Tuesday before break, especially on the MS level. Stop hating on teachers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

OP clearly stated that her kid is a student at Pyle. When someone asked if OP was a SAHM, her response was “Jealous that you have to work?”

Why take digs on someone who doesn’t work? You are wealthy at Pyle.

Nobody cares if OP works or not. The issue is that OP is unfairly attacking her kid’s teachers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

OP clearly stated that her kid is a student at Pyle. When someone asked if OP was a SAHM, her response was “Jealous that you have to work?”

Why take digs on someone who doesn’t work? You are wealthy at Pyle.

Nobody cares if OP works or not. The issue is that OP is unfairly attacking her kid’s teachers

That's not the issue. The issue is that an anonymous poster is being attacked for pointing out the obvious. The teachers union agreed to a two day work week and then teachers do not want to show up for work but students must show up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a current Pyle parent I am horrified by this post. Teachers are human beings just like everyone else and entitled to their leave. Stay in your lane SAHM. If you’re that concerned your kid won’t get a quality education because their teacher took a well deserved vacation a couple of days before winter break, you’re out of your mind.

Why slam SAHMs? Seems like plenty of WOHMs complaining that they don’t get two weeks off at Christmas so why should teachers?

Or do you like fighting the mommy wars all over again?

Oh not all SAHMs, only the ones like OP (who hate on their kid’s teachers for doing things that normal human beings do and accuse working moms of being jealous). Like I said before, my son is so lucky to have fabulous teachers at Pyle. I will gladly take on any parent, working or not, who comes for my son’s teachers

Where does OP indicate they are a SAHM? Or a mom, for that matter?

Any targeted criticism of the many WOH parents who post that they don’t get leave that teachers get?

OP clearly stated that her kid is a student at Pyle. When someone asked if OP was a SAHM, her response was “Jealous that you have to work?”

Why take digs on someone who doesn’t work? You are wealthy at Pyle.

Nobody cares if OP works or not. The issue is that OP is unfairly attacking her kid’s teachers

That's not the issue. The issue is that an anonymous poster is being attacked for pointing out the obvious. The teachers union agreed to a two day work week and then teachers do not want to show up for work but students must show up.