Cuts for Making HS Team

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Anonymous wrote:Robinson cut a ton of kids. Lots of very fast club swimmers did not make the team. Coach was very kind about it and kept reminding them that cuts weren’t personal - it’s a matter of space. He only takes 30ish boys/30ish girls - far more than that tried out.

How fast is fast though? What are some of the approximate times of kids who didn't make the cut?

My kid just said that her friend who was an NVSL all-star didn’t make it. She also didn’t make the team but that was less of a surprise. I don’t know if the coach told them what the cut times were - just that LOTS of talented swimmers got cut. At such a large school, it’s tough to make it with so few spots.

Don't know if scratching your way into NVSL All-Stars constitutes a talented swimmer, when more than half of the 14+ year olds that make all stars scratch because of more important club meets.

The vast majority of 14 year-olds swim at all-stars. Hard to comprehend an all-star didn’t make it, unless it’s the rare good at breaststroke but terrible at everything else swimmer.

This is such an obviously made up claim it's borderline funny, if not for the true fact you're being an ahole.

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Anonymous wrote:Robinson cut a ton of kids. Lots of very fast club swimmers did not make the team. Coach was very kind about it and kept reminding them that cuts weren’t personal - it’s a matter of space. He only takes 30ish boys/30ish girls - far more than that tried out.

How fast is fast though? What are some of the approximate times of kids who didn't make the cut?

My kid just said that her friend who was an NVSL all-star didn’t make it. She also didn’t make the team but that was less of a surprise. I don’t know if the coach told them what the cut times were - just that LOTS of talented swimmers got cut. At such a large school, it’s tough to make it with so few spots.

Don't know if scratching your way into NVSL All-Stars constitutes a talented swimmer, when more than half of the 14+ year olds that make all stars scratch because of more important club meets.

The vast majority of 14 year-olds swim at all-stars. Hard to comprehend an all-star didn’t make it, unless it’s the rare good at breaststroke but terrible at everything else swimmer.

This is such an obviously made up claim it's borderline funny, if not for the true fact you're being an ahole.

Bruh, I’m ready to leave Swim & Rock so I’m not going to go through the amount of 14 year olds that swam and those that scratched. Tons of 15-18s scratch. Relatively few 14s scratch.

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

Is this any different than the previous generation seeing all the records being held by Tom Dolan, Markus Rogan, Ed Moses, etc?

In the DMV and greater DMV no. Jeff Rouse, Tom Dolan, etc. really set the tone for the first wave of Olympians coming out of this area. But then you'd have to have some sense of swim history to appreciate that. Seeing Ed Moses' records at OKM is very, very cool.

I thought there were some swimmers that came out of MCSL in the 1980s that were Olympians?

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

Is this any different than the previous generation seeing all the records being held by Tom Dolan, Markus Rogan, Ed Moses, etc?

In the DMV and greater DMV no. Jeff Rouse, Tom Dolan, etc. really set the tone for the first wave of Olympians coming out of this area. But then you'd have to have some sense of swim history to appreciate that. Seeing Ed Moses' records at OKM is very, very cool.

I thought there were some swimmers that came out of MCSL in the 1980s that were Olympians?

The vast majority of swimmers that came out of MCSL in the 1980s were Olympians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

Is this any different than the previous generation seeing all the records being held by Tom Dolan, Markus Rogan, Ed Moses, etc?

In the DMV and greater DMV no. Jeff Rouse, Tom Dolan, etc. really set the tone for the first wave of Olympians coming out of this area. But then you'd have to have some sense of swim history to appreciate that. Seeing Ed Moses' records at OKM is very, very cool.

Wait until Ed’s records are broken by a kid who scratches into All-Stars and then doesn’t make the high school team.

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

Is this any different than the previous generation seeing all the records being held by Tom Dolan, Markus Rogan, Ed Moses, etc?

In the DMV and greater DMV no. Jeff Rouse, Tom Dolan, etc. really set the tone for the first wave of Olympians coming out of this area. But then you'd have to have some sense of swim history to appreciate that. Seeing Ed Moses' records at OKM is very, very cool.

Wait until Ed’s records are broken by a kid who scratches into All-Stars and then doesn’t make the high school team.

another winning comment!

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Anonymous wrote:Robinson cut a ton of kids. Lots of very fast club swimmers did not make the team. Coach was very kind about it and kept reminding them that cuts weren’t personal - it’s a matter of space. He only takes 30ish boys/30ish girls - far more than that tried out.

How fast is fast though? What are some of the approximate times of kids who didn't make the cut?

My kid just said that her friend who was an NVSL all-star didn’t make it. She also didn’t make the team but that was less of a surprise. I don’t know if the coach told them what the cut times were - just that LOTS of talented swimmers got cut. At such a large school, it’s tough to make it with so few spots.

Don't know if scratching your way into NVSL All-Stars constitutes a talented swimmer, when more than half of the 14+ year olds that make all stars scratch because of more important club meets.

The vast majority of 14 year-olds swim at all-stars. Hard to comprehend an all-star didn’t make it, unless it’s the rare good at breaststroke but terrible at everything else swimmer.

This is such an obviously made up claim it's borderline funny, if not for the true fact you're being an ahole.

Such an obviously hilarious made-up claim LOL!!! that I put some data to it:

-Of the top 18 finishers at divisionals in 5 events, boys & girls, there are 180 total spots. 52 were earned by 13 year-olds, 128 by 14 year-olds.
-The 128 swims were swum by 82 individual 14 year-olds. 69 swam, 13 scratched. 84.2%, the vast majority swam.
-Would you like to apologize, or just be proud that you are the king of the a-holes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

You reclass.

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

You reclass.

It’s an obviously made up claim that Ledecky and Huske swam locally. You’d only reclass if you were an ahole.

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There is no max-- though you only really need ~40 for a meet. So this many kids means either half the team doing nothing or faster kids getting fewer events to let slower kids do something. Both options suck.

Can someone elaborate on that ~40 number? Is that boys/girls and dive? I’m new to HS swim and new to HS meets. I have a freshman that made the team but is likely one of the slower swimmers. I’m wondering if they have a chance to swim at meets. Team has 60ish swimmers total.

High school meets consist of 8 individual swim events for both boys and girls + 3 relays for each + diving. In dual meets and districts, each team can enter 4 swimmers per individual event. If each kid swims 2 individual events, which is the limit, and up to 2 relays you need 32 swimmers (16 boys, 16 girls) to fill a meet. If some kids specialize in a single event or as a coach you want to get more kids involved in those 4th seed slots, then you start adding one-event swimmers which pushes 32 closer to 40.

Beyond Districts, swimmers have to qualify via District Finals or Region Finals or by meeting a time standard.

See order of events for a typical high school meet here: https://www.battlefieldswimming.com/order-of-events/

This isn't totally true in regards to the number of entries per team. The NFHS rules state that a single swimmer can swim a max of 2 individual events and 2 relay events in a non-championship meet. Each team will get 2 entries per event in a pool with 5 lanes or fewer, 3 entries per event in a pool with 6 lanes or fewer, and as many entries as can be equally provided for all teams in a pool with 8 lanes or more if mutually agreed to by all teams prior to the meet. For most meets in our area this means you will be locked into 3 entries per event per team unless all the coaches agree to more and they often fail to agree to use all 10 lanes because one team often has less swimmers than the other or they don't have enough parent volunteers to time all 10 lanes.

[Anonymous]

Is it common on teams that everyone will be asked to swim the 500m?

That's what I've heard about my kid's team, and my kid is saying they've offered to do it in the first meet to get it out of the way. This would be BY FAR the longest he's ever raced, and I'm not sure I endorse his "wisdom" to get it done.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it common on teams that everyone will be asked to swim the 500m?

That's what I've heard about my kid's team, and my kid is saying they've offered to do it in the first meet to get it out of the way. This would be BY FAR the longest he's ever raced, and I'm not sure I endorse his "wisdom" to get it done.

My kid took the same approach when he was 10. Turned out to be much less of a boogeyman than expected. They swim 500 warmups all the time so just takes practicing a few times at race pace to get the hang of it. This is usually done in shorter intervals like swimming 4 or 5 100s at the same pace with a short rest between each.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it common on teams that everyone will be asked to swim the 500m?

That's what I've heard about my kid's team, and my kid is saying they've offered to do it in the first meet to get it out of the way. This would be BY FAR the longest he's ever raced, and I'm not sure I endorse his "wisdom" to get it done.

Yes. Some teams just make the Freshmen do it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

You reclass.

It’s an obviously made up claim that Ledecky and Huske swam locally. You’d only reclass if you were an ahole.

Ledecky holds a boatload of summer records on the wall at Palisades and writes all about that pool in her autobiography. So I'd say that's "locally."

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Anonymous wrote:It's quite intimidating when you see pool records held by Katie Ledecky and school records are held by Tori Huske. How do mere mortals have a chance?

You reclass.

It’s an obviously made up claim that Ledecky and Huske swam locally. You’d only reclass if you were an ahole.

Ledecky holds a boatload of summer records on the wall at Palisades and writes all about that pool in her autobiography. So I'd say that's "locally."

Also PVS age group records. Take a look at the results from 14&U SC champs last March. Her name appears as the PVS event record holder in multiple events: Women's 11-12 200 Yard Freestyle, Women's 13-14 500 Yard Freestyle, Women's 14&u 1000 Yard Freestyle, Women's 14&u 1650 Yard Freestyle.