New SOL Cut Offs

[Anonymous]

This test is not needed altogether. If you don't how well/bad your DC is doing at school, well, that's a YOU problem. And no "standardized test should be telling you stuff about your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This test is not needed altogether. If you don't how well/bad your DC is doing at school, well, that's a YOU problem. And no "standardized test should be telling you stuff about your kid.

+1

[Anonymous]

SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't about SOLs - which are supposed to be a reflection of standard knowledge, this is about Virginia having amongst the lowest standards in the country. What our ratings call "proficient" most the country considers failing. You can check out various data points https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile/overview/va

https://assessmenthq.org/state/virginia/

The nations score card is how we are measured against other nations - and we are not leading there but worse, Virginia set the pass level absurdly low so we can all think we have advanced proficient kids that would be mapped totally differently in other states.

Personally I think its terrible we have such low standards. Its like vanity sizes on women's clothes - you can say you're a 6 when you are wearing what used to be a 12 or 14. To me, its just sad that FCPS fights this.

But simply lowering the cut score (off cycle) doesn't fix anything. Schools need additional resources to help with struggling kids, not budget cuts like Youngkin proposed.

That is true, once they turn the lights on (align with other state score system) they will have to clean up the mess. They should still turn the lights on.

While tying to grades and not giving time for retakes?

That’s not helping any kid.

It’s just political exploitation of our kids.

Kids who are close to the passing cut off point are given SOL specific tutoring and retake the SOL, most pass on the retake. They don't offer the option to kids who fail badly. Failing the SOL does lead to additional help in the subject material. Kids who fail in MS can be placed in a remediation class instead of an elective so that they receive additional support in their areas of weakness and to be able to pass the SOL.

There are consequences and services offered for kids who do not pass the SOL or who score low on the SOL. Some parents will refuse those services and instead opt their kid into a second fun elective or not participate in tutoring. The school can't do anything about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

Yes - 100% agree with the part in bold.

FCPS, however, is headed in the opposite direction as far as practices, spending, and philosophy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

All very good points. Having physical books would also reduce load on teachers. The whole process of teachers coming up with worksheets and printouts seems insane to me.

I do think we need a little bit of accountability from schools and having say 10% of students in charter schools/vouchers/etc with failing public schools administration turned into these charters, etc might provide that kind of accountability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

All very good points. Having physical books would also reduce load on teachers. The whole process of teachers coming up with worksheets and printouts seems insane to me.

I do think we need a little bit of accountability from schools and having say 10% of students in charter schools/vouchers/etc with failing public schools administration turned into these charters, etc might provide that kind of accountability.

The people who use vouchers are not the kids in the schools that are struggling, ie the Title 1 schools. The parents who will use vouchers are the UMC parents who thought private school was a reach to far but can afford it more easily with vouchers. Money will leave the public schools and make the situation worse while the best students are moved to mid-tier private schools. Those kids will be fine at said schools, just like they were fine in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

All very good points. Having physical books would also reduce load on teachers. The whole process of teachers coming up with worksheets and printouts seems insane to me.

I do think we need a little bit of accountability from schools and having say 10% of students in charter schools/vouchers/etc with failing public schools administration turned into these charters, etc might provide that kind of accountability.

The people who use vouchers are not the kids in the schools that are struggling, ie the Title 1 schools. The parents who will use vouchers are the UMC parents who thought private school was a reach to far but can afford it more easily with vouchers. Money will leave the public schools and make the situation worse while the best students are moved to mid-tier private schools. Those kids will be fine at said schools, just like they were fine in FCPS.

exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

We are pushing students into math classes they aren’t ready for (for example, 8th graders in Algebra 1 who failed Math 7), so I don’t see those percentages improving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SOL test data site: https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for FCPS, from last year only:

20.11% passed advance, 68.64 passed proficient, and 11.26% failed. The average score was 456.

Algebra 1 SOL Score example for the state, from last year only:

12.11% passed advanced, 72.96 passed proficient, 14.93 failed. The average SOL score was a 443.

Whatever the bar is, the number of kids passing advanced is not massive. I would expect stronger scores in NOVA because there are more educated parents with advanced degrees that are very focused on education.

I don't know how its done for Algebra 1, but at least for elementary, the cut scores for pass advanced is missing only 1-3 questions and to pass at all is missing half (around 20-25). The scoring is definitely not how you would normally expect, where each question is worth the same amount of points.

I understand that the scoring is not similar to a regular test. One poster commented that the SOL scores were inflated with too many kids passing advanced. The reality is that not that many kids pass advanced. And a good percentage of kids are failing the SOL. The average SOL score, at least in Algebra 1, seems to be the new pass proficient bar.

Honestly, this feels to me like someone trying to manufacture a huge educational crisis in order to push for vouchers. I am not sure if private schools have to take the SOL, I don't think that they do, so we don't have a way to compare private and public outcomes in order to determine if the schools that would get vouchers would do a better job then the public schools. The expensive privates will opt out of accepting vouchers, they won't want whatever government strings are attached and they have plenty of people wanting to attend without needing vouchers. The schools accepting vouchers might not be producing better results than public schools. There are private school kids who opt into public schools for HS and the kids find that they are behind in math and science.

If we are serious about improving public education, then we need more reading and math specialists at all the ES to help kids develop strong foundational skills. We need smaller class sizes in the ES or an aide in all of the classes to be able to work with all the kids in our 30 person classes. We need classes that group kids by ability so that teachers don't have to prepare 5 lesson plans to reach the kids at 5 different levels in one class. Fund that and you will see SOL scores rise and kids doing better in school.

That is 100% what it is and you are absolutely right. If they cared, they would pour money into education instead of doing stupid things like changing the test cutoff scores and making it 10% of a student's final grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This test is not needed altogether. If you don't how well/bad your DC is doing at school, well, that's a YOU problem. And no "standardized test should be telling you stuff about your kid.

Nah. No one still listens to you, equity troll.

T.O. is going away; the SAT and objective standards are making a comeback. And we will enforce the Civil Rights Act, as
Much as you hate that, PP.

[Anonymous]

We absolutely must implement the new cut scores to turn around the current educational disaster unfolding in FCPS. Don’t let the Commonwealth fall further into the soft racism of continually lowered expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We absolutely must implement the new cut scores to turn around the current educational disaster unfolding in FCPS. Don’t let the Commonwealth fall further into the soft racism of continually lowered expectations.

Voucher vultures love those “cut scores”. They DGAF if they hurt kids in the process.