Can we just stop importing dogs from other states?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Auction website. https://acecanineauction.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Or

https://www.swaauction.com/

What are these sites??

They sell dogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Auction website. https://acecanineauction.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Or

https://www.swaauction.com/

What are these sites??

They sell dogs.

Grotesque. Truly.

[Anonymous]

I just looked at the auction site. I had no idea, though I did know the are horse auctions.

Our adopted dogs came up from Tennessee to a local shelter— but they are both older mutts no one wanted and the adoption fees were waived.

My parents back in the day went to what they called “the pound” and came home with this (what looked like a) purebred Norwegian Elkhound. I always thought it was weird that some fancy purebred would be at the shelter but I assumed it just ran away and no one claimed it. When that dog died they went back and got a purebred Shar Pei. Again, I assumed it got loose and no one claimed it.

But now… 🤔

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

FWIW, this was my first post on this thread (and here now is my second). I was reading this back and forth of "buying dogs! Doesn't happen! Yes it does! No it doesn't!" and it triggered a memory for me so I went and checked it out. I did not other googling - no idea what, if anything, happened as a result of this story and what, if any, follow up exists.

I think it's a problem no one wants to acknowledge. At the end of the day, the rescues are rescuing dogs that have no home and would likely die without rescue. That's it, full stop.

I do believe what someone else posted that pet stores have been supplanted by rescues. I also beleive huge amounts of money are moving through this system. And I don't think anyone anywhere is really adressing the root causes of simply too many dogs.

The other thing I will speculate on is that this expose came out pre covid, and I also think covid had a big impact on the dog / rescue / shelter world. I in no way know enough to even guess at many of the changes. And finally, looking at this system with cold steely eyes is difficult. There is a lot of emotion in dog rescue. I think many of the actions neccessary to reduce the pipeline of dogs would be highly unpalatable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some outlet did a huge expose of the practice of buying "rescues" from breeders and how it perpetuates the dog production business and costs donors huge amounts of money. I think it ws The Post, and I think it was pre-covid.

[back after googling] - here's an article that points to the Post article. No idea how/if this has changed over the past 7 years.

https://philanthropydaily.com/the-big-business-of-dog-rescue/


But I do agree - I hate to be so hard hearted, but there are too many dogs, and shuttling them from one area of the country to another does not seem to be an efficient use of resources.

That article is 7 years old, anything recent? You keep bringing it up every time to support your point that rescues are buying puppies.

FWIW, this was my first post on this thread (and here now is my second). I was reading this back and forth of "buying dogs! Doesn't happen! Yes it does! No it doesn't!" and it triggered a memory for me so I went and checked it out. I did not other googling - no idea what, if anything, happened as a result of this story and what, if any, follow up exists.

I think it's a problem no one wants to acknowledge. At the end of the day, the rescues are rescuing dogs that have no home and would likely die without rescue. That's it, full stop.

I do believe what someone else posted that pet stores have been supplanted by rescues. I also beleive huge amounts of money are moving through this system. And I don't think anyone anywhere is really adressing the root causes of simply too many dogs.

The other thing I will speculate on is that this expose came out pre covid, and I also think covid had a big impact on the dog / rescue / shelter world. I in no way know enough to even guess at many of the changes. And finally, looking at this system with cold steely eyes is difficult. There is a lot of emotion in dog rescue. I think many of the actions neccessary to reduce the pipeline of dogs would be highly unpalatable.

Not sure what your point is, but as someone who wanted a dog, I couldn’t find any young dog remotely local to me that was anything other than a pit bull mix. My neighbors have said the same. Most of us went and bought from breeders, some possibly puppy mills.

There is room for good family dogs. Until that need is filled with adoptable pets, we will continue to see this dysfunctional system

[Anonymous]

DP. Here is a breed rescue. Where do they get their dogs?


The adoption fees are really high imo

https://ygrr.org/profile/winter/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The dogs are coming from areas where people can't afford vet bills. The DC area is full of wealthy people who can pay for the needed treatment and training.

(Well, maybe now DC is not so full of wealthy people.)

This. More people in the DC area are able to properly afford dogs. Our last rescue was advertised in our ZIP Code but resided in another state. We applied and were approved in 24 hours and we drove to the other state to pick him up when he was six months old. He is now 12 years old and was a great find and wonderful dog.

[Anonymous]

We tried to adopt locally but DC shelters only had pit bulls. Rescues are rackets that charge $500+ when they are getting the dogs for free from shelters (usually they get first pick and take all the non-pit bulls). We ended up adopting a dog from a southern state while we were on vacation there and flying back with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We tried to adopt locally but DC shelters only had pit bulls. Rescues are rackets that charge $500+ when they are getting the dogs for free from shelters (usually they get first pick and take all the non-pit bulls). We ended up adopting a dog from a southern state while we were on vacation there and flying back with her.

Dp. I can see this. I feel like the local rescues I’ve interacted with - for dogs at least- are run by semi crazy people. And to see them charging $600+ for an adoption fee as they are using that money to subsidize their pit bull advocacy. I don’t want to be supporting that. I don’t support puppy mills but I’ll say at least they are breeding good family pets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We tried to adopt locally but DC shelters only had pit bulls. Rescues are rackets that charge $500+ when they are getting the dogs for free from shelters (usually they get first pick and take all the non-pit bulls). We ended up adopting a dog from a southern state while we were on vacation there and flying back with her.

Dp. I can see this. I feel like the local rescues I’ve interacted with - for dogs at least- are run by semi crazy people. And to see them charging $600+ for an adoption fee as they are using that money to subsidize their pit bull advocacy. I don’t want to be supporting that. I don’t support puppy mills but I’ll say at least they are breeding good family pets.

LOLWUT

Where, exactly, with links, do you see this happening?

The lengths some people will go to in order to slander a set of dogs breeds... Amazing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS I have nothing against pits, they are great, best cuddlers ever

The ones I've known are sweet but they have the ugliest faces.

[Anonymous]

So I foster for a rescue and also work with shelter dogs. Shelters feed the dogs and that’s about it. Some might give vaccines if the dogs are puppies or meds if the dogs are super sick. But not much else and it costs a shelter to keep a dog there a lot. Rescues commit to spaying/neutering their dogs. Have you seen how much that is? Hundreds. Also they vaccinate every puppy and unvaccinated dogs. The heartworm and flea preventatives also aren’t cheap. That is a minimum of what every rescue does for every dog. If they are sick, well costs go up. Many rescues don’t include food in this since fosters generally pick that up, like myself. I have even paid for some medical bills for my fosters because I felt bad for the rescue being short on funds. A typical foster fee should be about $500 for young dogs and no the rescue doesn’t profit from that. They make money with donations. This is why shelter dogs can be free and rescue dogs have a fee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I foster for a rescue and also work with shelter dogs. Shelters feed the dogs and that’s about it. Some might give vaccines if the dogs are puppies or meds if the dogs are super sick. But not much else and it costs a shelter to keep a dog there a lot. Rescues commit to spaying/neutering their dogs. Have you seen how much that is? Hundreds. Also they vaccinate every puppy and unvaccinated dogs. The heartworm and flea preventatives also aren’t cheap. That is a minimum of what every rescue does for every dog. If they are sick, well costs go up. Many rescues don’t include food in this since fosters generally pick that up, like myself. I have even paid for some medical bills for my fosters because I felt bad for the rescue being short on funds. A typical foster fee should be about $500 for young dogs and no the rescue doesn’t profit from that. They make money with donations. This is why shelter dogs can be free and rescue dogs have a fee.

I don't know what shelter you work with, but I think you've gotten this a bit backwards. Every shelter I've ever worked for has had a government budget supplemented with donations. They perform medical procedures, including spay/neuter, vax all their animals, deworm... The reason their adoption fees are lower than rescues is scale. When all you do is rescue dogs and cats, and you have a government budget for doing so, you can purchase in bulk, etc. and save on costs. Smaller rescues don't have that, which is why their prices are higher. They have volunteers and people using their own funds to provide what the pets need, plus contracts with local vets which can help lower some of the costs (many of your "rescue" pets got their spay/neuter from the shelter).

Either way, very few of these orgs are making a profit. The one or two that do have some VERY scammy practices going on (cooked books, exploited volunteers...). $500 for a dog should be considered a bare minimum. If you can't afford it, you probably can't afford to properly care for the dog, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I foster for a rescue and also work with shelter dogs. Shelters feed the dogs and that’s about it. Some might give vaccines if the dogs are puppies or meds if the dogs are super sick. But not much else and it costs a shelter to keep a dog there a lot. Rescues commit to spaying/neutering their dogs. Have you seen how much that is? Hundreds. Also they vaccinate every puppy and unvaccinated dogs. The heartworm and flea preventatives also aren’t cheap. That is a minimum of what every rescue does for every dog. If they are sick, well costs go up. Many rescues don’t include food in this since fosters generally pick that up, like myself. I have even paid for some medical bills for my fosters because I felt bad for the rescue being short on funds. A typical foster fee should be about $500 for young dogs and no the rescue doesn’t profit from that. They make money with donations. This is why shelter dogs can be free and rescue dogs have a fee.

I don't know what shelter you work with, but I think you've gotten this a bit backwards. Every shelter I've ever worked for has had a government budget supplemented with donations. They perform medical procedures, including spay/neuter, vax all their animals, deworm... The reason their adoption fees are lower than rescues is scale. When all you do is rescue dogs and cats, and you have a government budget for doing so, you can purchase in bulk, etc. and save on costs. Smaller rescues don't have that, which is why their prices are higher. They have volunteers and people using their own funds to provide what the pets need, plus contracts with local vets which can help lower some of the costs (many of your "rescue" pets got their spay/neuter from the shelter).

Either way, very few of these orgs are making a profit. The one or two that do have some VERY scammy practices going on (cooked books, exploited volunteers...). $500 for a dog should be considered a bare minimum. If you can't afford it, you probably can't afford to properly care for the dog, either.

Why would I go to a rescue and pay $500 plus when I can go to a well known/trusted breeder and get a pure bred dog? With a breeder, I would know genetic info on the do I get and have a decent understanding of disposition.

I feel folks working rescue forget the fact that they are doing it to save animals. You should be happy that people go there to adopt and save a dog/cat from being euthenized. Start charging "at least 500 - bare minimum" and people (like me) will just spend the money for pure bread pets.

[Anonymous]

I believe the main scam behind rescues is the associated vet making money from spaying.