If you are rich, not just upper middle class

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they will have to work. I’m not planning to leave all my money to charity but I don’t want my kids to turn out as vapid wastrels. They are expected to have a career or trade and be capable of standing on their own feet before they see any substantial gifts from us.


This. I have one who's struggling to find himself in his mid 20s even though he has a master's degree. I believe even gifting him the annual gift limit would hamper this, much less millions.


We waited until our children were fully launched and succeeding on their own before we started giving them cash gifts. Now they are smart enough to invest those gifts or put them into 529 plans. If we had given it to them right out of college that would have just been subsidizing them.


Well some of us have kids who took that money, right out of college and funneled it into their ROTH iras and 401Ks and future home downpayment, and still have good jobs and are advancing just as if they didnt' have "funds coming in". They want to make something of themselves and don't want handouts. We are happy they are saving well for their future.


You are very lucky! Right out of college most kids, like mine, are concerned about their onerous education loans and not thinking about retirement.


Our kids are well aware of their privilege, but also want to be responsible and realize once again the privilege of being able to invest at a young age. Much of that comes from us teaching them finances, about living within your means and always trying to save a portion of income. They know they dont get everything they want (despite the fact we can easily afford it).
But was just pointing out that you can still give kids some gifts during and after college and they can still establish themselves.
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Anonymous wrote:My old CEO made in 10 years I worked for him around 200 million. All four his kids went to state schools, took out loans, he lived in a split level in a 60 by 100 plot, shopped at kohls and drive a beat up minivan. He was donating and plans to donate 100 percent of his wealth to charity and leave zero inheritance. His kids will have less in inheritance than garbage man’s kids. Not all rich people want to leave generational wealth. They rather make a difference. In his case he refuses recognition so will never see him at a banquet or award thing or his name on building


And some of us donate to charity and still leave some generational wealth. Good if that's what he wants to do. But I cannot imagine keeping some for kids/grandkids, along with gifting millions to our favorite local charities.



My old boss his Dad was in a German Concentration Camp as a child. Barely survived. Came to America with nothing. My CEO originally went to school to be rabbi then decided to be come a college professor. He had two kids and wife became pregnant with twins and onr special needs. He needed more money than a non tenured professor salary at a CUNY college. He ended up being co-founder of a company that he sold for onr billion. His cut was 100 million. He stayed on at a five million salary and later company sold again and got another 50 million.

His special needs son he was worried after he ages out of services and they pass away who will care for him. He came up with idea if I buy single family 5 bedroom homes I could put four adult special need people, have a full time employee manage house and each house with no mortgage on a perpetual trust where occupants just cover expenses could go on forever.

He continues to invest his 200 million in his charity growing it, has got a lot of matching donations and his goal is to build 3,000 single family homes putting up 12,000 special needs adults. His wife and kids are all on Board. I worked for him for a decade.
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Anonymous wrote:My old CEO made in 10 years I worked for him around 200 million. All four his kids went to state schools, took out loans, he lived in a split level in a 60 by 100 plot, shopped at kohls and drive a beat up minivan. He was donating and plans to donate 100 percent of his wealth to charity and leave zero inheritance. His kids will have less in inheritance than garbage man’s kids. Not all rich people want to leave generational wealth. They rather make a difference. In his case he refuses recognition so will never see him at a banquet or award thing or his name on building


I find people who do this to be a certain type of awful. My parents don’t have money but if they did and did this I’d be furious. You can leave something to children and still makes an impact.

I am mid thirties, self made almost 3 mil net worth so not rich
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Anonymous wrote:I think people here don’t consider themselves rich unless they have a driver and a private plane. I have $15 M NW and feel pretty rich but I don’t have three houses, full time staff or vacation in Aspen. My financial advisor seems to think I can quit working and do pretty much whatever I want with this NW. A lot of people seem to spend a lot of money on expensive homes, travel, restaurants and clothing so they just need more than I do.


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Anonymous wrote:I have 25M, but our HHI is not high. The millions came because we were lucky/savvy in the stock market when we were young, and now we're older.

Our kids know how much we have, and they are preparing for careers in case everything goes south. But our goal is to build family wealth and our kids, having lived a relatively frugal lifestyle like us, will try to build on that for future generations as well.




Me again. Honestly, I feel your question would be valid if we were talking 100M and above. But with our 25M, I don't think our kids can plan on not working.


You've got to be effing kidding me. I could stick $25 million in a 60- month CD at my credit union at 3.8% and pull more than $900k off it a year. No, I would not be working. Hell, if I earned a quarter of that amount off it, I wouldn't work.

This is why you people need to be taxed more. FFS.


DP: why do "we need to be taxed more"? I have that much in cds/cash alternatives, and plenty more in the market. All of it was taxed at 30-50% combined fed and state. I have paid plenty in taxes. The interest dividends are taxed at 40-50% for fed/state. I think we have paid enough and will continue to do so

However 900k per year spread across 2-3 kids is not enough for them to not work. Not if they want their kids to do activities and attend college and grad school and actually retire. Because once you need to start using the principal you ain't getting 900 k per year


If you don't think $900k/3= $300k per year is enough to live a comfortable life, do activities, and send your kids to college, and retire, I don't know what to tell you, but about 95% (literally) of American families are making less than that. Also, with that kind of annual return ( Note: that's the return **if i parked $25m in a CD**--it would average almost 2x that amount in the market) there would be no need to touch the principal, so.

Seriously, get your head out of your a$$.

You have more money than you know what to do with. The income equality in this country is a major public policy failure.


Agree it's more than most have. But $300K is not that much in a HCOLA, if you want your kids to attend college and grad school (that you pay for). If they kids work and earn $100-200K (them and their spouse) and add in the $300K then that is much more comfortable. But I wouldn't have my kids stop working with only $300K/year coming in, not with inflation. That would be stupid. I prefer they use that to supplement their lifestyle. Also, even if it was $5M/year coming in, I'd want them to work/have a passion/goals in life/somehting to do daily that does good for them and society. Not just sitting around


It's also not enough to buy a yacht! So I guess it's not enough.

Honestly, do you even listen to yourself?


So you'd want your kids to quit their jobs if they had $300K coming in from a trust? You wouldnt' require them to still have a job/contribute to society? You wouldn't want your grandkids to have a better lifestyle?


I don't care if your Richie Rich children have jobs or not. Just don't tell me that you aren't generationally wealthy because you "only" have $25 million, and don't tell that your kids will need to work because that's not enough to have a very comfortable life on.
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Let’s put it this way. My 15 year old works a job that pays $13/hr. We have had several conversations regarding her goals, and she wants to make something of herself.

She knows that she will likely inherit something, she has no idea just how much.
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Anonymous wrote:Of course they will have to work. I’m not planning to leave all my money to charity but I don’t want my kids to turn out as vapid wastrels. They are expected to have a career or trade and be capable of standing on their own feet before they see any substantial gifts from us.


This. I have one who's struggling to find himself in his mid 20s even though he has a master's degree. I believe even gifting him the annual gift limit would hamper this, much less millions.


We waited until our children were fully launched and succeeding on their own before we started giving them cash gifts. Now they are smart enough to invest those gifts or put them into 529 plans. If we had given it to them right out of college that would have just been subsidizing them.


Well some of us have kids who took that money, right out of college and funneled it into their ROTH iras and 401Ks and future home downpayment, and still have good jobs and are advancing just as if they didnt' have "funds coming in". They want to make something of themselves and don't want handouts. We are happy they are saving well for their future.


You are very lucky! Right out of college most kids, like mine, are concerned about their onerous education loans and not thinking about retirement.


Our kids are well aware of their privilege, but also want to be responsible and realize once again the privilege of being able to invest at a young age. Much of that comes from us teaching them finances, about living within your means and always trying to save a portion of income. They know they dont get everything they want (despite the fact we can easily afford it).
But was just pointing out that you can still give kids some gifts during and after college and they can still establish themselves.


That must be nice. We did similar teaching about living within their means but education loans were still a necessity. Few kids are lucky enough to have parents like you.
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Anonymous wrote:I have 25M, but our HHI is not high. The millions came because we were lucky/savvy in the stock market when we were young, and now we're older.

Our kids know how much we have, and they are preparing for careers in case everything goes south. But our goal is to build family wealth and our kids, having lived a relatively frugal lifestyle like us, will try to build on that for future generations as well.




Me again. Honestly, I feel your question would be valid if we were talking 100M and above. But with our 25M, I don't think our kids can plan on not working.


You've got to be effing kidding me. I could stick $25 million in a 60- month CD at my credit union at 3.8% and pull more than $900k off it a year. No, I would not be working. Hell, if I earned a quarter of that amount off it, I wouldn't work.

This is why you people need to be taxed more. FFS.


DP: why do "we need to be taxed more"? I have that much in cds/cash alternatives, and plenty more in the market. All of it was taxed at 30-50% combined fed and state. I have paid plenty in taxes. The interest dividends are taxed at 40-50% for fed/state. I think we have paid enough and will continue to do so

However 900k per year spread across 2-3 kids is not enough for them to not work. Not if they want their kids to do activities and attend college and grad school and actually retire. Because once you need to start using the principal you ain't getting 900 k per year


If you don't think $900k/3= $300k per year is enough to live a comfortable life, do activities, and send your kids to college, and retire, I don't know what to tell you, but about 95% (literally) of American families are making less than that. Also, with that kind of annual return ( Note: that's the return **if i parked $25m in a CD**--it would average almost 2x that amount in the market) there would be no need to touch the principal, so.

Seriously, get your head out of your a$$.

You have more money than you know what to do with. The income equality in this country is a major public policy failure.


Agree it's more than most have. But $300K is not that much in a HCOLA, if you want your kids to attend college and grad school (that you pay for). If they kids work and earn $100-200K (them and their spouse) and add in the $300K then that is much more comfortable. But I wouldn't have my kids stop working with only $300K/year coming in, not with inflation. That would be stupid. I prefer they use that to supplement their lifestyle. Also, even if it was $5M/year coming in, I'd want them to work/have a passion/goals in life/somehting to do daily that does good for them and society. Not just sitting around


It's also not enough to buy a yacht! So I guess it's not enough.

Honestly, do you even listen to yourself?


So you'd want your kids to quit their jobs if they had $300K coming in from a trust? You wouldnt' require them to still have a job/contribute to society? You wouldn't want your grandkids to have a better lifestyle?


I don't care if your Richie Rich children have jobs or not. Just don't tell me that you aren't generationally wealthy because you "only" have $25 million, and don't tell that your kids will need to work because that's not enough to have a very comfortable life on.


We built what we have from the ground up. We don't think it's good to just hand money to 20 somethings so they can sit around and do nothing. They will need to have ambitions and careers to access our wealth. It is to supplement their lives, not be the "be all end all" for them to be lazy

Also, it won't be much generational wealth if nobody works.
If 3 kids each have 2-3 kids, it won't last past that generation if nobody works.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they will have to work. I’m not planning to leave all my money to charity but I don’t want my kids to turn out as vapid wastrels. They are expected to have a career or trade and be capable of standing on their own feet before they see any substantial gifts from us.


This. I have one who's struggling to find himself in his mid 20s even though he has a master's degree. I believe even gifting him the annual gift limit would hamper this, much less millions.


We waited until our children were fully launched and succeeding on their own before we started giving them cash gifts. Now they are smart enough to invest those gifts or put them into 529 plans. If we had given it to them right out of college that would have just been subsidizing them.


Well some of us have kids who took that money, right out of college and funneled it into their ROTH iras and 401Ks and future home downpayment, and still have good jobs and are advancing just as if they didnt' have "funds coming in". They want to make something of themselves and don't want handouts. We are happy they are saving well for their future.


You are very lucky! Right out of college most kids, like mine, are concerned about their onerous education loans and not thinking about retirement.


Our kids are well aware of their privilege, but also want to be responsible and realize once again the privilege of being able to invest at a young age. Much of that comes from us teaching them finances, about living within your means and always trying to save a portion of income. They know they dont get everything they want (despite the fact we can easily afford it).
But was just pointing out that you can still give kids some gifts during and after college and they can still establish themselves.


That must be nice. We did similar teaching about living within their means but education loans were still a necessity. Few kids are lucky enough to have parents like you.


Our kids would be at schools they could afford if we didn't have enough saved. State U for $30K, they earn $10K per year, take $5K in loans and that leaves $15K for us to help with. Or you find a place even more affordable with merit. You don't take massive loans. You can do it with ~$60K at max, and if you really want, you can get that down to $30K (CC to 4 year, or find a place that wants to give merit).
And if you take education loans, you live at home (if you can) for a few years and aggressively pay the loans off. We were married (so no living at home) but we lived very frugally for first 3 years to pay them all off. Talking brown bagging it for lunch 9 out of 10 days, and only eating out 1-2 times per month, driving older cars, no vacations, etc.
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Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.
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Anonymous wrote:Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.


Just make sure your wills specifies that your money will go to charity otherwise your estate taxes will be significant. Better yet, meet with an estate planning attorney and talk about your goals and thoughts. With your net worth and age you could end up with $100 million.
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Anonymous wrote:Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.


Then what is the point of making that much money if not to pass down to your kids and their kids?
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Anonymous wrote:Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.


Then what is the point of making that much money if not to pass down to your kids and their kids?


Exactly!

I get leave much of it to your favorite charities, but why work so hard (rarely does that type of money come from 9-5 jobs---you missed out on some of the family togetherness and your kids growing up) if you wont give them some of it?
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Anonymous wrote:Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.

Charities are a scam. A vanishingly small percentage of money flows to the source of the problem the staff is trying to solve. That's why they're still in business - they never solve the problem. Look at the compensation for CEOs of major charities and see if you can justify giving money to that instead of funding a generational trust for your family. You're funding strangers' inflated lifestyles instead of your children's.
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Anonymous wrote:Our net worth is approaching $40M. Kids in middle and high school. Yes, I expect them to work and they’ve always known that. I’ve also been clear that they should not expect to inherit the lions share of our wealth. We’ll cover them through school but I’m not certain they’ll get anything after that and they know that too.

That much money was not meant to be inherited.

Charities are a scam. A vanishingly small percentage of money flows to the source of the problem the staff is trying to solve. That's why they're still in business - they never solve the problem. Look at the compensation for CEOs of major charities and see if you can justify giving money to that instead of funding a generational trust for your family. You're funding strangers' inflated lifestyles instead of your children's.


Find a good local charity, that is directly impacting your local community. Those tend to put more $$ into the problems and less into the management.
But my kids dont' need $25M each, they will be fine with $10-15M and the rest can benefit those who need it so much more.
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