Feeding community cats

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are stupid.

Call animal control, trap this cat, and take it to a shelter.

Let it find a home.

He's a feral cat.

He belongs outside.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Holy crap -- speaking of invasive animals! Keep your dog inside! Don't tell me that going for walks is in it's nature--that's BS!

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Holy crap -- speaking of invasive animals! Keep your dog inside! Don't tell me that going for walks is in it's nature--that's BS!

He’s leashed and isn’t allowed to prey on anything. When he need off leash time I take him to a dog park where he does t harm anything. I don’t throw food around the alley for him to pick up.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Holy crap -- speaking of invasive animals! Keep your dog inside! Don't tell me that going for walks is in it's nature--that's BS!

He’s leashed and isn’t allowed to prey on anything. When he need off leash time I take him to a dog park where he does t harm anything. I don’t throw food around the alley for him to pick up.

Your dog still scares native animals away just by walking him outside, giving them stress and distress. Keep your dog indoors!

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Holy crap -- speaking of invasive animals! Keep your dog inside! Don't tell me that going for walks is in it's nature--that's BS!

He’s leashed and isn’t allowed to prey on anything. When he need off leash time I take him to a dog park where he does t harm anything. I don’t throw food around the alley for him to pick up.

Your dog still scares native animals away just by walking him outside, giving them stress and distress. Keep your dog indoors!

That’s a made up thing, not the verified fact that outdoor cats and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of animals and have created a genuine ecological crisis.

Drag up all the red herrings you want - it’s a fact. This conversation is just about where you care there is an ecological crisis and it’s clear you don’t. Fine. Jog on.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Holy crap -- speaking of invasive animals! Keep your dog inside! Don't tell me that going for walks is in it's nature--that's BS!

Confirmation that dog people and bird people are the true crazies. Their agenda agains cats and "crazy cat ladies" is like Trump - all the accusations are basically confessions.

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Anonymous wrote:I take care of a small colony near my house. If you want to bring your cat inside, then you should trap the cat or put it in a carrier, and then take the kitty directly to your vet. The shelter will lend you a trap if you need one. If you already have cats, then your feral should be tested for FIV and FeLV before bringing him inside. A cat being FIV+ is actually okay, so long as it doesn't fight with your existing cats. I have FIV+ cats indoors. FeLV, however, is a dealbreaker. Your vet can also provide pills for deworming, flea medication, etc. It sounds like your cat will adjust to being inside. Given its age, if it just disappeared one day because it got sick, would it break your heart? Oh, and P.S., feral cats living in urban areas are typically only active at night. They sleep during the day because they are afraid of people. There aren't many birds out at night. It is my observation that the indoor-outdoor cats are the ones killing the birds.

Indoor outdoor may be worse, but none are good and we’re at a crisis point with birds.

We are also hitting a crisis point with rats.

Not like the one with birds.

The birds are getting decimated by windmills and pestcides killing their food sources, not cats.

Those don’t help, but windows, lights and cats are doing the worst damage.

So... humans. What are you doing to help the birds being killed by your windows and lights?

Please see my thread in the lawn/patio sub. We’re talking about the problem of “community” cats in this thread.

Cool, so you want to kill the cats?

Because making a stray cat indoor-only isn't going to work.

KILLING CATS ISNT ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE

That seems to be what pp is suggesting. The outdoor cat is already spayed/neutered. T&R programs are fantastic, and should be encouraged.

You can't make all the outdoor cats become indoor-only cats. That isn't going to work. PP has no solution except... "butbutbut think of the birds!"

And your plan is “let hundreds of millions of birds die because I love cat calendars”.

Find a shelter, find someone willing to take it and get it off the street. Don’t let it kill hundreds of birds.

Hundreds of millions of birds are not being killed by cats.

You do know that from the dawn of history until 20-30 years ago, most cats spent all or some time inside.

Amazingly, birds did not go extinct.

Billions of birds have been killed in the last few decades. This is a fact, it’s just a question of how okay you are with it.

Bird populations were much larger and cat populations were smaller. There have always been felines, or one kind or another, in our area, but they were not house cats, and they did not prey mercilessly on the songbird and other small bird populations.

Claiming the cats can’t be home but are being spayed, neutered and vaccinated is not an acceptable answer but it is better than imagining these poor animals are doing good. All efforts should be firstly and primarily focused on getting them off the street - feeding a “community cat” is absolute last resort behavior.

No cat populations were not smaller. Neuterung feral cats is a very new practice.

At this point it just looks like the bird person is a bored troll.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Sure that happened.

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Anonymous wrote:I take care of a small colony near my house. If you want to bring your cat inside, then you should trap the cat or put it in a carrier, and then take the kitty directly to your vet. The shelter will lend you a trap if you need one. If you already have cats, then your feral should be tested for FIV and FeLV before bringing him inside. A cat being FIV+ is actually okay, so long as it doesn't fight with your existing cats. I have FIV+ cats indoors. FeLV, however, is a dealbreaker. Your vet can also provide pills for deworming, flea medication, etc. It sounds like your cat will adjust to being inside. Given its age, if it just disappeared one day because it got sick, would it break your heart? Oh, and P.S., feral cats living in urban areas are typically only active at night. They sleep during the day because they are afraid of people. There aren't many birds out at night. It is my observation that the indoor-outdoor cats are the ones killing the birds.

Indoor outdoor may be worse, but none are good and we’re at a crisis point with birds.

We are also hitting a crisis point with rats.

Not like the one with birds.

The birds are getting decimated by windmills and pestcides killing their food sources, not cats.

Those don’t help, but windows, lights and cats are doing the worst damage.

So... humans. What are you doing to help the birds being killed by your windows and lights?

Please see my thread in the lawn/patio sub. We’re talking about the problem of “community” cats in this thread.

Cool, so you want to kill the cats?

Because making a stray cat indoor-only isn't going to work.

KILLING CATS ISNT ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE

That seems to be what pp is suggesting. The outdoor cat is already spayed/neutered. T&R programs are fantastic, and should be encouraged.

You can't make all the outdoor cats become indoor-only cats. That isn't going to work. PP has no solution except... "butbutbut think of the birds!"

And your plan is “let hundreds of millions of birds die because I love cat calendars”.

Find a shelter, find someone willing to take it and get it off the street. Don’t let it kill hundreds of birds.

Hundreds of millions of birds are not being killed by cats.

You do know that from the dawn of history until 20-30 years ago, most cats spent all or some time inside.

Amazingly, birds did not go extinct.

Billions of birds have been killed in the last few decades. This is a fact, it’s just a question of how okay you are with it.

Bird populations were much larger and cat populations were smaller. There have always been felines, or one kind or another, in our area, but they were not house cats, and they did not prey mercilessly on the songbird and other small bird populations.

Claiming the cats can’t be home but are being spayed, neutered and vaccinated is not an acceptable answer but it is better than imagining these poor animals are doing good. All efforts should be firstly and primarily focused on getting them off the street - feeding a “community cat” is absolute last resort behavior.

No cat populations were not smaller. Neuterung feral cats is a very new practice.

At this point it just looks like the bird person is a bored troll.

Yes they were. There many multiples more people, more pets, denser human populations, more natural avian habitat encroached upon.

This is not new science, it's well-established: https://insider.si.edu/2013/01/cats-kill-2-4-billion-birds-annually/#:~:text=Domestic%20cats%20in%20the%20United%20States%20kill,Peter%20Marra%2C%20an%20ornithologist%20at%20the%20Smithsonian

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the most harrowing things I’ve ever seen is two gorgeous Siamese cats torturing a robin one night when I was out walking my dog. They had pulled it from its nest, ripped its wings off and were now poking it. They looked up at me and hissed and spit with such malice and venom when I broke it up.

I’m sure their owners also believe they are sweet animals who would never hurt a bird, but they’re just following their instincts.

Please get them off our streets!

Sure that happened.

Why would I make that up?
I like cats. Inside.

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cats >>>>>>>>>> rodents and birds

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever feed “community cats” - you really couldn’t be doing more harm to your neighborhood. Between the rat attracting food and the hundreds of birds she’s killed you’re doing so much damage.

Please stop this!

Ignore this poster. (I'm sure you already are.) Thank you for feeding this cat.

Why ignore? They do so much damage! I’m not advocating for euthanizing them, but all you’re doing is promoting a nuisance. It’s like feeding raccoons, if raccoons were also environmentally disastrous.

I get it, but my plan is to get him to trust me to become indoors only.

Then go get him and bring him in! Today. A 13 year old cat is a senior cat (and he might be older than that). The poor guy doesn't have that much longer, especially living outside.

Stop it with the "Oh, I just want to get him to trust me first" nonsense. The cat already knows you and recognizes you as someone who feeds him. It's hot outside, and he needs to be wary and alert all the time outdoors. And he's old. The poor thing. Once you just bring him in, he'll be so happy and relaxed in a few days.

Please don't just go away without bringing him in first. Let this poor old cat spend his remaining time in comfort and safety.

How cruel to rip a senior cat from his ennvironment and force him indoors.

I have an old cat sleeping beside me on the sofa now, and she's here because someone found her after she was hit by a car and took her to my son, who is a vet. He put her legs back together and told me she has to be an indoor cat, and you know what? She's soooooo grateful to be indoors. She has become super affectionate and makes no attempt to go outside when someone comes in. She literally turns from the door, as if she doesn't want to go out there again. If she were a young cat, then OK, I can see maybe a problem, but an older senior cat just wants to be somewhere safe to snooze most of the day and have good food provided.

I still think OP should bring the senior cat in. His end is not going to be pleasant if he has to finish his days as a stray.

OP, try it for a month. If he hates being inside and can't adjust, you can always put him out again. But give him a chance.