Why can't people speak out against Israel/IDF?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

Well, people who are chanting “death to Palestine” are allowed into the country.
Don’t you see the double standard?

Who is changing Death to Palestine?

Nobody. Red herring by the pro-Palestinian cabal, trying to equate their hatred for israel and Jews with the global reaction to Palestinian terror.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And Palestine started this, so they get whatever they deserve and then some.

How demented …

Actions shouldn't have consequences? Have you raised your children to believe that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And Palestine started this, so they get whatever they deserve and then some.

How demented …

Actions shouldn't have consequences? Have you raised your children to believe that?

This can be interpreted and implemented in various ways. Very subjective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And Palestine started this, so they get whatever they deserve and then some.

How demented …

Actions shouldn't have consequences? Have you raised your children to believe that?

Israel can deal with its child any way he sees fit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

There are plenty of Israeli singers who are on video singing about death to Gaza (Rinat Bar) or like the lovely Israeli singer Peretz who has a song titled “May your village burn”. But they are Israelis and nobody bats an eye if they sing about the death of Palestinians.

Listen. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of extreme rhetoric and hate speech on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides IN Israel and Palestine. Those are the directly impacted parties. The rhetoric on the Palestinian side is MUCH worse by orders of magnitude based on what I’ve seen, but setting that aside.

Have you ever seen a massive crowd IN THE WEST shouting DEATH to anyone before? I certainly haven’t. That’s not a thing that’s considered compatible with western values. Unless, apparently, Israel/Jews are involved. Why is that?

Yes. Lots of times. Have you been outside at any rally? I’ve heard death to cops during 2020 and lots of other crazy things during protests. Madonna threatened to blow up the White House at the women’s March. Many people scream for death or destruction during protests. Rallies or protests are magnets for the crazies/fringe. In Israel during Pride month before 10/7, death to Arab and death to lgbt rallies were hosted by Ben Gvir , the minister of national security and grand Marshall of ceremonies.

I genuinely just did a Google search and couldn’t find one documented instance of people shouting DEATH to something in America. I’ve heard F the police and whatnot but never death. Feel free to drop a link if you find one. Madonna didn’t threaten to blow up the White House and if you read her actual words it’s clear she was being flippant. And again, your last example happened in Israel (assuming it happened, I didn’t check).

Ah yes. Google. Who exactly founded Google? Do you think gooogle is an unbiased source? Think again

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And Palestine started this, so they get whatever they deserve and then some.

How demented …

Actions shouldn't have consequences? Have you raised your children to believe that?

If actions had the terminal consequences you casually suggest, your people would be a 3,000 year old memory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Totally agree with you. Anyone who speaks up against what Israel is doing and you are anti semantic.

I’m not anti semantic. I’m so tired of the special treatment that Jews are receiving. Even the way Trump seems to support only Israel.

And here you go conflating Israel and the Jews again. I am a Jew but have received zero special treatment.

You have but you just don’t know it.

Do explain, because clearly you know more about this than I do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

There are plenty of Israeli singers who are on video singing about death to Gaza (Rinat Bar) or like the lovely Israeli singer Peretz who has a song titled “May your village burn”. But they are Israelis and nobody bats an eye if they sing about the death of Palestinians.

Listen. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of extreme rhetoric and hate speech on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides IN Israel and Palestine. Those are the directly impacted parties. The rhetoric on the Palestinian side is MUCH worse by orders of magnitude based on what I’ve seen, but setting that aside.

Have you ever seen a massive crowd IN THE WEST shouting DEATH to anyone before? I certainly haven’t. That’s not a thing that’s considered compatible with western values. Unless, apparently, Israel/Jews are involved. Why is that?

Yes. Lots of times. Have you been outside at any rally? I’ve heard death to cops during 2020 and lots of other crazy things during protests. Madonna threatened to blow up the White House at the women’s March. Many people scream for death or destruction during protests. Rallies or protests are magnets for the crazies/fringe. In Israel during Pride month before 10/7, death to Arab and death to lgbt rallies were hosted by Ben Gvir , the minister of national security and grand Marshall of ceremonies.

I genuinely just did a Google search and couldn’t find one documented instance of people shouting DEATH to something in America. I’ve heard F the police and whatnot but never death. Feel free to drop a link if you find one. Madonna didn’t threaten to blow up the White House and if you read her actual words it’s clear she was being flippant. And again, your last example happened in Israel (assuming it happened, I didn’t check).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree with you. Anyone who speaks up against what Israel is doing and you are anti semantic.

I’m not anti semantic. I’m so tired of the special treatment that Jews are receiving. Even the way Trump seems to support only Israel.

What "special treatment"? Support for their efforts to reclaim their hostages?

Leaving aside the difference between semantic and semitic, one of the issues with all the rabid pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel rhetoric is that it seems to never manage to be pro-Palestinian while acknowledging Palestinian responsibility for their travails, and the power of the Palestinians to control their own destiny. To the Hamas/Palestinian apologists, everything is Israel's fault, and the Palestinians have no responsibility for incubating, raising, supporting, or sheltering Hamas, or for their incompetent corrupt government, or for their alignment with Iran. To them, Oct. 7 is irrelevant - all Palestinian casualties resulting from it are instead simply the result of deliberate, unprovoked, IDF action. The continued holding of hostages is not worthy of discussion. Ending hostilities with the release of the hostages and the disarmament of Hamas is not worthy of contemplation. The concept of self-defense is never discussed, only the impact it has on the Palestinians with not a word for IDF casualties.

The usual trope is that Israel "stole" Palestinian land in 1948, and every Palestinian terror action thereafter was meant to righteously reverse that U.N. action. No pro-Palestinian apologists consider whether terror is a reasonable response to a dispute over land, and no recognition is given to the Palestinian violent rejection of the opportunity to then have had their own state for the first time.

Calling Israelis Nazis doesn't help, either, given that Nazi anti-Jewish activity was motivated by racial hatred, jealousy of Jewish financial and educational success, and was unilateral - there were no Jewish attacks on the Germans to prompt pogroms and the Holocaust. Compare that situation to Oct 7, where aggression from Gaza precipitated a forceful and justified IDF response which continues to this day only because Hamas is still trying to coerce Israel through hostage-holding.

Hamas' own charter calls for the destruction of Israel, yet criticism of Hamas is non-existent among the apologists. Never mind Hamas' objectives, to them, it's the Israeli response which is "genocide". While they can't seem to say it out loud, the clear message from the apologists is that Israel should abandon the hostages, and let Hamas regroup and try again later.

These all seem to be reasonable bases for support for Israel to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

Well, people who are chanting “death to Palestine” are allowed into the country.
Don’t you see the double standard?

Who is changing Death to Palestine?

Nobody. Red herring by the pro-Palestinian cabal, trying to equate their hatred for israel and Jews with the global reaction to Palestinian terror.

Here is a clip of Israeli singer Kobi Peretz singing about burning Palestinian villages and erasing Gaza. He has had several concerts in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nn3GL1cHu8

Here is Israeli singer Rinat Bar singing death to Gaza.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0RIFhMMXQy/

Boys and men in New York city chanting "death to Arabs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4JCa60_ZQ

Isreali singer Narkis singing about finishing off Gaza and building Gaza settlements:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RZV_eQybHCA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

There are plenty of Israeli singers who are on video singing about death to Gaza (Rinat Bar) or like the lovely Israeli singer Peretz who has a song titled “May your village burn”. But they are Israelis and nobody bats an eye if they sing about the death of Palestinians.

Listen. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of extreme rhetoric and hate speech on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides IN Israel and Palestine. Those are the directly impacted parties. The rhetoric on the Palestinian side is MUCH worse by orders of magnitude based on what I’ve seen, but setting that aside.

Have you ever seen a massive crowd IN THE WEST shouting DEATH to anyone before? I certainly haven’t. That’s not a thing that’s considered compatible with western values. Unless, apparently, Israel/Jews are involved. Why is that?

Charlottesville Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suppose I am deeply isolationist and sort of MAGA. I don’t get why Israel is seemingly above criticism.

That said, I also support revoking the touring visa for the “Death to the IDF” guy. We don’t need that garbage here in our country.

The comparisons to a Head of State are silly, though. We aren’t that far removed from Columbia inviting the Iranian leader to speak on campus. Heads of State get much wider latitude.

You act like it isn't already in our country.... Our country pays for the bombs, bullets, and missiles that "protect" Israel and enable them to shoot starving Palestinians.

So we should let a foreign national rapper into the country who goes around engaging the crowd in the “Death, Death to the IDF chants”? Is that your point?

I’d rather not be on either side of the issue, but the rapper guy is just terrible optics for what I perceive to be your cause.

Ask yourself, “who the fuucck is the IDF, that they are above all others and cannot be criticized?” Are Americans this controlled by Israel that we jump when they say jump. We bomb when they say bomb. We sanction others/countries when Israel say sanction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just foreign nationals on college campuses. Now, Bands that have suggested the IDF be dismantled are banned from touring in America... It's perfectly fine to say "Defund the police" after a few rogue police officers (in some badly run police departments) kill some African Americans, but criticize the IDF or Israeli government (an organization which has no killed 60,000 or so and maybe 3-4 times that, while displacing and actively starving an entire country) and your visa is immediately revoked to perform as concerts in the US.

Is anyone else not seeing this lunacy and the complete double standard of all of this?

Some very reasonable solutions have been put forth in congress - like you should disclose if you possess foreign citizenship while running for office. I wonder if that will help us elucidate some things...

Nice try, OP.
This rapper led a cheer yelling “death, death to the IDF.” He encouraged thousands to join in.
I suppose had he led a chant yelling “death, death to the Palestines” you would feel the same way?

Looks like he FAFO.

There are plenty of Israeli singers who are on video singing about death to Gaza (Rinat Bar) or like the lovely Israeli singer Peretz who has a song titled “May your village burn”. But they are Israelis and nobody bats an eye if they sing about the death of Palestinians.

Listen. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of extreme rhetoric and hate speech on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides IN Israel and Palestine. Those are the directly impacted parties. The rhetoric on the Palestinian side is MUCH worse by orders of magnitude based on what I’ve seen, but setting that aside.

Have you ever seen a massive crowd IN THE WEST shouting DEATH to anyone before? I certainly haven’t. That’s not a thing that’s considered compatible with western values. Unless, apparently, Israel/Jews are involved. Why is that?

There was a mob of Jewish men who chanted “Death to Arabs” and attacked a woman in NYC a few months ago.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/mob-of-orthodox-jewish-men-chased-brooklyn-woman-after-mistaking-her-for-protester-against-israeli-security-minister

Yeah that’s completely disgusting and inexcusable. But it’s a bunch of ultra-religious hasids in crown heights. They’re essentially a fringe cult that lives in isolation from society. The Glastonbury festival incident was a bunch of otherwise sane, normal, mainstream people. That’s what makes it especially scary. These views are becoming absolutely commonplace.

Yall always make excuses and give them a pass for their racist, misogynistic, freeloading actions. You’ve made their actions acceptable and commonplace

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And Palestine started this, so they get whatever they deserve and then some.

You are, Just Dumb, ASF.

[Anonymous]

From a purely nonjudgmental American perspective, both groups appear to be fringe level extremists in various ways.