Help me better understand Southern Cal universities & colleges

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The flip side to UC systems being so great is that admissions is basically a lottery for high stat kids in high performing areas which is really frustrating for families in the Bay Area, LA and some parts of SD. It’s flipped where lower stat OOS kids breeze in while perfect stat kids get the lowest rung. I was shocked at how many perfect stat kids with great ECs were flat out rejected from even the mid tier UCs.

If private colleges were not so outrageously expensive, there wouldn’t be the intense pressure on the UCs.

This does not happen. CA should just designate a certain portion of seats as “ non-resident price” but allow in state families to take them as well. Easily fill them in state.

This absolutely does happen. I’m not sure why you are so invested in pretending otherwise. The link to the chart for admitted students and acceptance rate is in the post above. Was your OOS kid rejected from UCSD or something?

[Anonymous]

OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Admit data is different than enrollment data. Regardless of why anyway, the admit rate is higher for OOS.

IMO the issue really isn’t that the admit rate is so much higher but that a similar profile yet lower stat and EC kid from OOS can bump a much higher, more qualified kid from in state. This isn’t right.

I almost wish the UCs would auction off a number of spots with the lowest bid starting at 1M. This way they could get the money they need, reduce OOS in half so only the best and brightest come for geographical diversity and better serve the CA residents that are funding them. If your kid doesn’t have more impressive stats than an in state student then you are free to go to USC, Pomona, Claremont, Stanford etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Cal Tech in Pasedena.

? for film and business? While it's an amazing school for STEM, I wouldn't pick Caltech for business and film.

I'm originally from CA.

Missed that. For film and business, in this order:

USC
UCLA
Pepperdine
Loyola

You missed Chapman which fits right between usc and ucla. Also, while Pepperdine has been filmed many times the school doesn’t have a strong film presence and Loyola is a better choice for so.

Why do people keep saying Chapman? It's a conservative college in OC in the suburb.

Because it is the same poster over and over justifying Chapman for some reason and putting down Peperdine….I have lived in CA my whole life. Had families at basically every UC and all the privates in CA (from Chapman to Stanford), relatives who were professors at UCLA, UCSD, USC, Pepperdine and LMU. There is nobody I know that would put Chapman ahead of Pepperdine as you put it…..please….go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The flip side to UC systems being so great is that admissions is basically a lottery for high stat kids in high performing areas which is really frustrating for families in the Bay Area, LA and some parts of SD. It’s flipped where lower stat OOS kids breeze in while perfect stat kids get the lowest rung. I was shocked at how many perfect stat kids with great ECs were flat out rejected from even the mid tier UCs.

If private colleges were not so outrageously expensive, there wouldn’t be the intense pressure on the UCs.

Not sure about the "OOS kids breeze in"; It's a claim I've seen on DCUM before but no one's ever posted a citation to confirm it. If not a citation - what made you come to that conclusion?

Look at UCSD. 2024 OOS was 34%, instate was 26%. At our public high school, the rate is 6%. UCD is a better example OOS was 60%, instate 34%, our school was 9%.

For UCSD I'm seeing 9% OOS and 16% international. https://ir.ucsd.edu/stats/publications/21_22_StudentProfiles.pdf
For UCD I'm seeing 4.0% OOS and 10.4% international. https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/uc-davis-enrollment-makes-progress-diversity

You are looking at the breakdown of the student population by geographic origin. The PP was looking at admit rates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

Yes this is correct I was going to write the same thing. OOS for the UC (and the Cal States are even lower) is still much lower than the price of places like USC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

Yes this is correct I was going to write the same thing. OOS for the UC (and the Cal States are even lower) is still much lower than the price of places like USC

USC also doesn’t lock-in the COA the way the UCs do, so the $101K COA for this Fall’s freshman class at USC (the COA published by USC doesn’t include a credible transportation assumption for OOS students) will likely balloon to at least $110K by their senior year.

$420K vs. $280K

So when you see posts asserting that the OOS costs at Berkeley or UCLA are basically the same as the costs at USC or Stanford, just know that you’re being fed inaccurate information by someone who is either uninformed or has an agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

Yes this is correct I was going to write the same thing. OOS for the UC (and the Cal States are even lower) is still much lower than the price of places like USC

USC also doesn’t lock-in the COA the way the UCs do, so the $101K COA for this Fall’s freshman class at USC (the COA published by USC doesn’t include a credible transportation assumption for OOS students) will likely balloon to at least $110K by their senior year.

$420K vs. $280K

So when you see posts asserting that the OOS costs at Berkeley or UCLA are basically the same as the costs at USC or Stanford, just know that you’re being fed inaccurate information by someone who is either uninformed or has an agenda.

I think just ill-informed, like many posters

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

Nothing intellectually dishonest about it at all.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/admissions/cost
$84,366

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

First I'm rooting for your $34K tuition best for everyone from DMV. I'm looking at: https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/tuition-financial-aid/tuition-cost-of-attendance/ and I see: $50,328; The total direct cost is closer to your number: $76,028.

Cal Poly seems closer to your estimated tuition: https://www.calpoly.edu/financial-aid/costs-and-affordability/undergraduate-costs-attendance-2025-26 $37,005 for tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have higher admit rates than in-state students because fewer of them actually end up matriculating. A stunning number of families don't look at the UC price tag and assume there'll bee some sort of aid available to them. At the end of the day, when they're considering a not-UCLA/UCB school in the UC system at $85,000 per year, they end up deciding to go to a private school or their in-state option.

If the yield were higher for OOS students, the admit rate would drop. As a concrete example, note that the yield rate for UCLA/UCB is much higher than the other schools, and their OOS admit rate is either the same as in-state (UCLA) or even lower (UCB).

Where are you getting $85K?

Over three quarters, the OOS tuition supplement at Berkeley and UCLA is around $34K total … so OOS 2025 applicants would be looking at a total cost of $70 - $75K, max. per year. If dorm living is dropped for apartment or Greek life housing, $65 - $70K is very achievable. And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.

I get that $70K is still a lot, but citing $85K seems intentionally dishonest.

First I'm rooting for your $34K tuition best for everyone from DMV. I'm looking at: https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/tuition-financial-aid/tuition-cost-of-attendance/ and I see: $50,328; The total direct cost is closer to your number: $76,028.

Cal Poly seems closer to your estimated tuition: https://www.calpoly.edu/financial-aid/costs-and-affordability/undergraduate-costs-attendance-2025-26 $37,005 for tuition.

UCLA OOS will be 80k (website recently updated I think): https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees

[Anonymous]

Santa Cruz will be $83,562.
https://financialaid.ucsc.edu/cost-to-attend/undergraduate-costs.html

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“And yes, that includes airfares for move-in / out, holidays, etc.”

I don’t think that’s quite correct, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Claremont Colleges are top notch!

bottom notch! low quality!

Far better than whatever middling school you went to!