Very reasonable list of schools that offer Ivy League caliber or better educational opportunities. |
Basically just the top ranked non Ivy schools - not really breaking new ground here |
The public list is still very underwhelming, but at least they got rid of BC. I would still replace Tufts and add USC back. |
It's employer preference - you're welcome to call them up and tell them they are wrong |
Pitt is killing it at attracting super bright high stats kids. I know so many high SAT / high GPA kids who are starting to choose Pitt. They do a great job at recruiting. |
+1. Pitt is the surprise on the list, but a pleasant one. Both my kids used it as a safety. Admitted in September and done. Neither attended, but we were impressed with the campus and tour. One of my kids was TJ. Don’t know about now, but 2018-2020 sent more kids to Pitt than VT. |
I have a son at Purdue (Engineering) and wow! It is HARD. The kids that are able to graduate and survive the STEM programs there are very smart, tough as nails, resilient and self-motivated. Nothing is handed to them and if anything there is grade deflation (son had one grade curved down 9 points!!!! because literally only 8% of the class was awarded an A). Many students who started in the program have either transferred out, changed majors or outright failed after being on academic probation. I love the no non-sense attitude of the school - reinforces the "you get what you get and you don't fuss a bit" I used to tell him as a preschooler. They get out of the program what they put into it. |
The criteria for the public schools are well below that of private ones. |
Because public schools serve the public not just the elite |
Not really…the UC schools aren’t included because Forbes requires standardized test scores for this ranking and UC schools are test blind. Even if the very same employers said they love all the UC schools they still would not be on this list. |
Yes really. It’s true that if UC schools had been options, a couple might have been included. So, you could argue UCLA, Berkeley, etc should also be on the list. That’s fair. But it doesn’t change the fact that given all the choices but UCs, these were the ones employers chose. Yeah to VA for getting two schools on the list. For all the griping about how hard the top college in VA are to get into, we are really lucky to have UVA &WM (both excellent, but appeal to different kids) AND VT for STEM. AND really solid options with great outcomes in GMU, JMU, VCA (arts, engineer, health science, UMW & CNU (smaller schools) for kids locked out of UVa/WM/VT STEM. Given its population, VA is punching way above its weight in terms of higher education options. Interesting that the public side of the list of non-VA colleges are really the STEM powerhouses: UICU, Purdue, Pitt, GA Tech— even UT Austin. It’s basically a list of publics that a lot of TJ kids attend (have a TJ alum kid). |
Would add Michigan to STEM powerhouses, before someone gripes. Interesting the private side is less STEM-centric. CMU is an obvious outlier, and some of these schools are excellent in some sSTEM areas. I think it’s hard for a smaller school to field an engineering department well. It’s a big investment to go all in. |
Add JHU to CMU. Stiil, the public’s list tilts much more STEM than privates list. |
The term “public ivy” has been around for about 40 years. |
The guy who wrote the original book coined the term because he was encouraging students to consider public schools that could provide a good undergraduate experience rather than spending so much money on private schools. It made sense in that context. |