Consensus world view of TOP 5/6 UK University Rankings (Prestige/Research)

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Anonymous wrote:American parent here. So happy for our two kids that we found out about these schools early on. Both of my kids were decent students with good grades (1420 -1460 SATs and right at 3.75 UW) but not much in ECs. No luck with t25. We are CA, so it was tough at UCs. Their options were expensive private schools in the t-50/t-80 range or OOS publics with tuition costs that were almost as high….

They both went to the UK. My daughter to Exeter (Marine Sciences) and is now at UCSD working on her graduate degree/research.
My son went to Bristol (Civil Eng) and is now at Imperial doing his masters.

We saved a TON of money here and they received an amazing education.

This is interesting. DCUM is so focused on Oxbridge and Ivy’s. For those students like your kids and thousands of others hanging around t30 to t-75, this looks like it makes a lot of sense. Especially if you have an independent kid.

My niece just graduated from Edinburgh and is now working at Mckinsey in the US. She was in a similar situation as your kids. Good student, but didnt get in t25 schools. She had offers from St Andrews, Exeter, Kings and Edinburgh and went to Edinburgh and graduated with a first.

The truth is, she would ‘ve never had the opportunity to start her career at McKinsey from any of the t50 schools she was accepted to as they just dont recruit there…….like a PP said, those who matter, know these schools.

On another thread a pp indicated that anytime they work with someone from the UK they know the work ethic and work product is going to be rubbish in comparison to US colleagues. Your comment and the one previous upthread isn’t the reason why. Im glad for your niece it’s a way to game the system in her favor. But you’re basically saying she’s couldn’t get into BC level schools here. There isn’t a difference in caliber

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is room and board in the UK really only 10k per year? Doesn't seem realistic.

7.5k GBP? No way in London

Again…PP said 10k pounds…..and in case you didnt know…Oxford is NOT in London….

Why are you being so aggressive? Triggered Much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American parent here. So happy for our two kids that we found out about these schools early on. Both of my kids were decent students with good grades (1420 -1460 SATs and right at 3.75 UW) but not much in ECs. No luck with t25. We are CA, so it was tough at UCs. Their options were expensive private schools in the t-50/t-80 range or OOS publics with tuition costs that were almost as high….

They both went to the UK. My daughter to Exeter (Marine Sciences) and is now at UCSD working on her graduate degree/research.
My son went to Bristol (Civil Eng) and is now at Imperial doing his masters.

We saved a TON of money here and they received an amazing education.

This is interesting. DCUM is so focused on Oxbridge and Ivy’s. For those students like your kids and thousands of others hanging around t30 to t-75, this looks like it makes a lot of sense. Especially if you have an independent kid.

My niece just graduated from Edinburgh and is now working at Mckinsey in the US. She was in a similar situation as your kids. Good student, but didnt get in t25 schools. She had offers from St Andrews, Exeter, Kings and Edinburgh and went to Edinburgh and graduated with a first.

The truth is, she would ‘ve never had the opportunity to start her career at McKinsey from any of the t50 schools she was accepted to as they just dont recruit there…….like a PP said, those who matter, know these schools.

What was your niece’s stats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, say room and board is about 10k per yr. That is 30k plus 123k =153k . Say $188k total.

Tell me a university in the US where u can get better than or an equivalent to an Oxford degree in Economics for $188k including room and board?

This is a good analysis….As PP mentioned…..Berkeley in-state…..and that is about it….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American parent here. So happy for our two kids that we found out about these schools early on. Both of my kids were decent students with good grades (1420 -1460 SATs and right at 3.75 UW) but not much in ECs. No luck with t25. We are CA, so it was tough at UCs. Their options were expensive private schools in the t-50/t-80 range or OOS publics with tuition costs that were almost as high….

They both went to the UK. My daughter to Exeter (Marine Sciences) and is now at UCSD working on her graduate degree/research.
My son went to Bristol (Civil Eng) and is now at Imperial doing his masters.

We saved a TON of money here and they received an amazing education.

This is interesting. DCUM is so focused on Oxbridge and Ivy’s. For those students like your kids and thousands of others hanging around t30 to t-75, this looks like it makes a lot of sense. Especially if you have an independent kid.

My niece just graduated from Edinburgh and is now working at Mckinsey in the US. She was in a similar situation as your kids. Good student, but didnt get in t25 schools. She had offers from St Andrews, Exeter, Kings and Edinburgh and went to Edinburgh and graduated with a first.

The truth is, she would ‘ve never had the opportunity to start her career at McKinsey from any of the t50 schools she was accepted to as they just dont recruit there…….like a PP said, those who matter, know these schools.

On another thread a pp indicated that anytime they work with someone from the UK they know the work ethic and work product is going to be rubbish in comparison to US colleagues. Your comment and the one previous upthread isn’t the reason why. Im glad for your niece it’s a way to game the system in her favor. But you’re basically saying she’s couldn’t get into BC level schools here. There isn’t a difference in caliber

Sigh. The worst thing about this subforum is that the people are so fixated on college admissions that they can’t see anything else. The workplace is not your high school stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American parent here. So happy for our two kids that we found out about these schools early on. Both of my kids were decent students with good grades (1420 -1460 SATs and right at 3.75 UW) but not much in ECs. No luck with t25. We are CA, so it was tough at UCs. Their options were expensive private schools in the t-50/t-80 range or OOS publics with tuition costs that were almost as high….

They both went to the UK. My daughter to Exeter (Marine Sciences) and is now at UCSD working on her graduate degree/research.
My son went to Bristol (Civil Eng) and is now at Imperial doing his masters.

We saved a TON of money here and they received an amazing education.

This is interesting. DCUM is so focused on Oxbridge and Ivy’s. For those students like your kids and thousands of others hanging around t30 to t-75, this looks like it makes a lot of sense. Especially if you have an independent kid.

My niece just graduated from Edinburgh and is now working at Mckinsey in the US. She was in a similar situation as your kids. Good student, but didnt get in t25 schools. She had offers from St Andrews, Exeter, Kings and Edinburgh and went to Edinburgh and graduated with a first.

The truth is, she would ‘ve never had the opportunity to start her career at McKinsey from any of the t50 schools she was accepted to as they just dont recruit there…….like a PP said, those who matter, know these schools.

What was your niece’s stats?

I asked to be sure. She had a 33 ACT and a 3.7 UW GPA. She had 3 APs at 5, 3 at 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American parent here. So happy for our two kids that we found out about these schools early on. Both of my kids were decent students with good grades (1420 -1460 SATs and right at 3.75 UW) but not much in ECs. No luck with t25. We are CA, so it was tough at UCs. Their options were expensive private schools in the t-50/t-80 range or OOS publics with tuition costs that were almost as high….

They both went to the UK. My daughter to Exeter (Marine Sciences) and is now at UCSD working on her graduate degree/research.
My son went to Bristol (Civil Eng) and is now at Imperial doing his masters.

We saved a TON of money here and they received an amazing education.

This is interesting. DCUM is so focused on Oxbridge and Ivy’s. For those students like your kids and thousands of others hanging around t30 to t-75, this looks like it makes a lot of sense. Especially if you have an independent kid.

My niece just graduated from Edinburgh and is now working at Mckinsey in the US. She was in a similar situation as your kids. Good student, but didnt get in t25 schools. She had offers from St Andrews, Exeter, Kings and Edinburgh and went to Edinburgh and graduated with a first.

The truth is, she would ‘ve never had the opportunity to start her career at McKinsey from any of the t50 schools she was accepted to as they just dont recruit there…….like a PP said, those who matter, know these schools.

On another thread a pp indicated that anytime they work with someone from the UK they know the work ethic and work product is going to be rubbish in comparison to US colleagues. Your comment and the one previous upthread isn’t the reason why. Im glad for your niece it’s a way to game the system in her favor. But you’re basically saying she’s couldn’t get into BC level schools here. There isn’t a difference in caliber

Sigh. The worst thing about this subforum is that the people are so fixated on college admissions that they can’t see anything else. The workplace is not your high school stats.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, say room and board is about 10k per yr. That is 30k plus 123k =153k . Say $188k total.

Tell me a university in the US where u can get better than or an equivalent to an Oxford degree in Economics for $188k including room and board?

Nowhere is room and board $10k for a year. It’s $20k per year. Then you have added travel costs, so that’s probably $5k per year minimum. Then all other costs at $5k. Again probably too low.

So, 40,000 pounds =$48,000. So total COA is at least $78k per year so that’s $234k

Someone mentioned Berkeley or UCLA would be equivalent and if you have taken all the APs you need for Oxford you could be in a position to graduate in three years at those places as well as a Michigan if that’s what you want.

The delta is just much less than it used to be just two years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, say room and board is about 10k per yr. That is 30k plus 123k =153k . Say $188k total.

Tell me a university in the US where u can get better than or an equivalent to an Oxford degree in Economics for $188k including room and board?

Nowhere is room and board $10k for a year. It’s $20k per year. Then you have added travel costs, so that’s probably $5k per year minimum. Then all other costs at $5k. Again probably too low.

So, 40,000 pounds =$48,000. So total COA is at least $78k per year so that’s $234k

Someone mentioned Berkeley or UCLA would be equivalent and if you have taken all the APs you need for Oxford you could be in a position to graduate in three years at those places as well as a Michigan if that’s what you want.

The delta is just much less than it used to be just two years ago.

Yes -- I heard that Oxbridge was looking to set fees for international students just below HYP. So less of a deal than it used to be.

The LSE, though, which is also elite and has high brand recognition, charges all students the same regardless of nationality.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/study-abroad/the-general-course/scholarships-and-fees

They lay out tuition + living expenses as L45,000 per year, or about $56,500. I think more of their degrees are four years, though, not three. . . .

[Anonymous]

Agreed. Thank you for doing it, and of course saddened that some people can be so rude.

FWIW, I'm an American who did Bachelor's thru PhD in the UK. It was a great experience and were I looking again, I'd find this really useful.

Anonymous wrote:This is a great write up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. Thank you for doing it, and of course saddened that some people can be so rude.

FWIW, I'm an American who did Bachelor's thru PhD in the UK. It was a great experience and were I looking again, I'd find this really useful.

Anonymous wrote:This is a great write up.

This for sure. Thank you OP for the nice summary.

My son has just received an offer from Bristol for Business and Management with Innovation. An integrated 4-year BSc/Masters program and he is strongly considering it. He wants to work in international business and his options in the US are also expensive privates.
He has done a ton of research and toured several of schools in the UK, so knows these programs a lot more than his mom. But I was wondering if anyone here has any insights on Bristol ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, say room and board is about 10k per yr. That is 30k plus 123k =153k . Say $188k total.

Tell me a university in the US where u can get better than or an equivalent to an Oxford degree in Economics for $188k including room and board?

Nowhere is room and board $10k for a year. It’s $20k per year. Then you have added travel costs, so that’s probably $5k per year minimum. Then all other costs at $5k. Again probably too low.

So, 40,000 pounds =$48,000. So total COA is at least $78k per year so that’s $234k

Someone mentioned Berkeley or UCLA would be equivalent and if you have taken all the APs you need for Oxford you could be in a position to graduate in three years at those places as well as a Michigan if that’s what you want.

The delta is just much less than it used to be just two years ago.

I’m not the PP, but since I have a kid at Oxford, I think I know a little bit about my cash outflow here…..I’m not adding other living costs outside of Dorm/Food and I’m not telling you which college my son is at, other than he is studying Econ.

Room and Board is dependent on the college you are in. BUT the range (IN POUNDS) for accomodations and Food, straight from Oxford’s website is:

FOOD: 2,835 to 4,445 pounds
ACCOMODATIOn: 6,705 to 8,325 pounds
TOTAL for ROOM & BOARD: from 9,540 to 12,770

Course fees this year = 41,130 pounds.

So ALL IN for ONE YEAR of studies at OXFORD = 50,670 to 53,900 pounds.

At Today’s Exchange rate that equals $63,080 to $67,100 dollars PER YEAR. TIMES 3 YEARS = $189,240 to $210,300 to get an Economics degree at Oxford including TUITION + ROOM AND BOARD.

So the previous poster was very very close with his $188k number.

The question remains, is $189k for an Oxford Economics Degree worth it? That is the equivalent of a $47,310 dollars per year for a US Degree INCLUDING TUITION, ROOM AND BOARD. Since most top 25 US colleges Room and Board are 12 to 15k, lets say the equivalent Tuition cost in the US is $35,000 dollars.

Taking any scholarships out of the way to compare Apples to Apples, where else can you get an equivalent Economics degree to Oxford for $35k Tuition in the US. The options are very limited and this looks like it was the whole point from the previous poster.

For us it was a no brainer. We do not pay this much. My son was able to receive two separate scholarships and our cost is currently about 65% of the amount I indicated above….

[Anonymous]

OP, thanks for posting. Currently tossing up potential choices for DS if a conditional offer for economics from Edinburgh comes through (already has offer from Durham).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, thanks for posting. Currently tossing up potential choices for DS if a conditional offer for economics from Edinburgh comes through (already has offer from Durham).

Similar spot here. Son has offers from Bristol and Exeter. Waiting on Edinburgh and St Andrews.
Is your son leaning Edinburgh if everything comes through?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, thanks for posting. Currently tossing up potential choices for DS if a conditional offer for economics from Edinburgh comes through (already has offer from Durham).

Similar spot here. Son has offers from Bristol and Exeter. Waiting on Edinburgh and St Andrews.
Is your son leaning Edinburgh if everything comes through?

He was leaning towards Durham but think he might be rethinking. However, a conditional offer from Edinburgh likely to require a higher score so need to think hard about that. Aldo applied to Bristol but no offer yet. Would be a good option.