Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

Where the hell are you getting this number from?

The current study revealed that 47.2% of pregnancy terminations were performed due to fetal structural malformations, 16.4% to genetic abnormalities and 36.4% to maternal/obstetrical indications

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10478725/#:~:text=The%20current%20study%20revealed%20that,%25%20to%20maternal%2Fobstetrical%20indications.

The study you quoted from is specifically a study/evaluation of 568 abortions that were "performed due to fetal, maternal or obstetric indications beyond the 10th gestational week from January 2021 to June 2023". That's not a study of abortions for all reasons. I pulled my number from here: https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-reasons-for-abortion/.

You mean you pulled it from a non-profit that "advises and leads the pro-life movement with groundbreaking scientific, statistical, and medical research."

The source that I provided included its methodology. Just because you don't like the messenger, doesn't mean the message isn't accurate. Feel free to provide an actual critique of the data, if you have one. The left-leaning Guttmacher Institute has a study that is getting pretty old now (so that's why I didn't initially link to it) showing that only 7% of women cited their health or the fetus's health as a reason for getting an abortion (https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives).

It bothers me that so many pro-abortion people paint abortion as something that most women do due to healthcare purposes, when in reality, the vast majority of women have abortions because they don't want a baby. At least be honest about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

Where the hell are you getting this number from?

The current study revealed that 47.2% of pregnancy terminations were performed due to fetal structural malformations, 16.4% to genetic abnormalities and 36.4% to maternal/obstetrical indications

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10478725/#:~:text=The%20current%20study%20revealed%20that,%25%20to%20maternal%2Fobstetrical%20indications.

You should read the study you posted: All cases between 10 and 33 weeks of gestation between January 2021 and June 2023 were retrospectively analyzed. The patients were divided into two groups as group 1 with 11+0 to 21+6 gestational weeks and group 2 for those at 22+0 and 33+0 gestational weeks.

It did not include pregnancy in the 0-9 weeks of gestation when the vast majority of abortions are done.

Stop lying.

This data does, however, disprove the notion that women are seeking elective abortions right up until the 9th month. Late term abortions are not elective.

Fine. You win, PP. Ban those magical abortion in the 9th month outside of risk to the mother. How about we focus on the vast majority of cases that are now prohibited in red states, hmmmm?

[Anonymous]

I say that you are fear mongering and exemptions exist for the reasons you mention.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people want the option to terminate past viability.

It is extremely rare and always for a heartbreaking catastrophic reason. This has been explained over and over and over again.

It is not extremely rare and it is not always for a catastrophic reason. As has been shown over and over on this board, third trimester abortions have been had over things like fights with a boyfriend to financial issues to delay in seeking care. No matter how much you want what you say to be true, it simply isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people want the option to terminate past viability.

Some families might not want to go another 15 weeks with a doomed pregnancy that is only going to lead to death and pain because of a lethal disorder. Who are you to decide for them?

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Anonymous wrote:Live in a southern state. Women can get female healthcare here.

We are not 3rd world in the south. And have renown medical facilities.

Check back in after a few years of doctors leaving your state in droves.

Not concerned in the least.

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Anonymous wrote:Elective abortion is murder. Call it what you want to cover the fact, but that's the fact.
Thank your moms for not making this choice.

Get ready to incarcerate 20 percent of the women in this country including millions of moms. Good bye to your relatives, friends, neighbors and community members.

You go after the abortionist not the woman. This isn’t rocket science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Live in a southern state. Women can get female healthcare here.

We are not 3rd world in the south. And have renown medical facilities.

Check back in after a few years of doctors leaving your state in droves.

Not concerned in the least.

I'm sure you're not. You're probably living in a blue state and complaining about high taxes while enjoying all of the benefits afforded to you by Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

Where the hell are you getting this number from?

The current study revealed that 47.2% of pregnancy terminations were performed due to fetal structural malformations, 16.4% to genetic abnormalities and 36.4% to maternal/obstetrical indications

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10478725/#:~:text=The%20current%20study%20revealed%20that,%25%20to%20maternal%2Fobstetrical%20indications.

The study you quoted from is specifically a study/evaluation of 568 abortions that were "performed due to fetal, maternal or obstetric indications beyond the 10th gestational week from January 2021 to June 2023". That's not a study of abortions for all reasons. I pulled my number from here: https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-reasons-for-abortion/.

You mean you pulled it from a non-profit that "advises and leads the pro-life movement with groundbreaking scientific, statistical, and medical research."

The source that I provided included its methodology. Just because you don't like the messenger, doesn't mean the message isn't accurate. Feel free to provide an actual critique of the data, if you have one. The left-leaning Guttmacher Institute has a study that is getting pretty old now (so that's why I didn't initially link to it) showing that only 7% of women cited their health or the fetus's health as a reason for getting an abortion (https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives).

It bothers me that so many pro-abortion people paint abortion as something that most women do due to healthcare purposes, when in reality, the vast majority of women have abortions because they don't want a baby. At least be honest about it.

You are not going to trick people into being convinced that abortion is as important as oxygen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Tell me you know nothing about women’s health without…wait, you did tell me!

It’s not a new spin. Heretofore, care for all facets of women’s reproductive health wasn’t up for policing by lay folks. Simply because you are now only hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s “new.”

Calling people who disagree with you stupid and ignorant will never accomplish what you want it to accomplish. We will never say, yes you are right, I am so dumb thank you for setting me straight. I stand by the post you are responding to by the way.

You simply cannot impose your will on women and force them to give birth. You can try and succeed in some cases, but you can't take away a fundamental right. This has always been the case. Abortion has been illegal before and it just drives it into the back alley. Abortion rights have actually increased after Roe was overturned.

This battle will rage on until the laws reflect that reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Hello low-information non-medical professional making false statements about medical terms. This is just to inform you that just because you don’t like the actual medical category for a procedure does not mean you get to change the name of it.

Abortion means the early termination of a pregnancy before a fetus can live outside the womb - whether spontaneous or medically induced by pill or surgery. Even if that pregnancy was doomed. It is an abortion. This is why miscarriages are labeled abortion in a patient’s file. Ask me how I know.

I am a medical professional. You know exactly what she meant here. Removing a dead fetus is not an elective abortion.
I see women who have had more than 10 elective abortions. I see women who refuse to start prenatal vitamins because "I'm not sure if I'm keeping it. Depends on if the father steps up." This procedure is treated glibly and without the required seriousness. I started my career fully pro-choice but I've seen too much now.

Let me guess: these particular patients are low income, with low educational levels and poor future prospects for employment, and do not have stable relationships with committed partners, right? I am saddened by the prospect of women using abortion as after-the-fact birth control 10+ times and refusing prenatal vitamins, but I’m also saddened by the idea that abortion bans might also lead to these women having twice as many children whom they don’t really want and are ill prepared to care for.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

Where the hell are you getting this number from?

The current study revealed that 47.2% of pregnancy terminations were performed due to fetal structural malformations, 16.4% to genetic abnormalities and 36.4% to maternal/obstetrical indications

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10478725/#:~:text=The%20current%20study%20revealed%20that,%25%20to%20maternal%2Fobstetrical%20indications.

The study you quoted from is specifically a study/evaluation of 568 abortions that were "performed due to fetal, maternal or obstetric indications beyond the 10th gestational week from January 2021 to June 2023". That's not a study of abortions for all reasons. I pulled my number from here: https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-reasons-for-abortion/.

You mean you pulled it from a non-profit that "advises and leads the pro-life movement with groundbreaking scientific, statistical, and medical research."

The source that I provided included its methodology. Just because you don't like the messenger, doesn't mean the message isn't accurate. Feel free to provide an actual critique of the data, if you have one. The left-leaning Guttmacher Institute has a study that is getting pretty old now (so that's why I didn't initially link to it) showing that only 7% of women cited their health or the fetus's health as a reason for getting an abortion (https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives).

It bothers me that so many pro-abortion people paint abortion as something that most women do due to healthcare purposes, when in reality, the vast majority of women have abortions because they don't want a baby. At least be honest about it.

+1 They know the procedure wouldn't be widely accepted if they were open and candid about the reasons. A poster who only references her uterus rather than her growing baby is attempting to soften the harsh truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

NP (and a woman). Exactly this ^^. Nearly 96% of abortions are elective / are not performed specifically because of rape/incest, fetal abnormality, or the life/health of the mother. That is tragic and evil. If having a child is not something you want, there plenty of preventive options. Use them.

Where the hell are you getting this number from?

The current study revealed that 47.2% of pregnancy terminations were performed due to fetal structural malformations, 16.4% to genetic abnormalities and 36.4% to maternal/obstetrical indications

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10478725/#:~:text=The%20current%20study%20revealed%20that,%25%20to%20maternal%2Fobstetrical%20indications.

You should read the study you posted: All cases between 10 and 33 weeks of gestation between January 2021 and June 2023 were retrospectively analyzed. The patients were divided into two groups as group 1 with 11+0 to 21+6 gestational weeks and group 2 for those at 22+0 and 33+0 gestational weeks.

It did not include pregnancy in the 0-9 weeks of gestation when the vast majority of abortions are done.

Stop lying.

This data does, however, disprove the notion that women are seeking elective abortions right up until the 9th month. Late term abortions are not elective.

Fine. You win, PP. Ban those magical abortion in the 9th month outside of risk to the mother. How about we focus on the vast majority of cases that are now prohibited in red states, hmmmm?

Oh sorry, I was a NP making that comment that the data disproves Trump’s claims. I’m not the one who posted the study. I support Roe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

OP - it is a medical abortion. That is how its coded. And they are NOT ALLOWED in many states.

Wrong. They are allowed everywhere. There is not a single state where these are illegal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Tell me you know nothing about women’s health without…wait, you did tell me!

It’s not a new spin. Heretofore, care for all facets of women’s reproductive health wasn’t up for policing by lay folks. Simply because you are now only hearing about it doesn’t mean it’s “new.”

Calling people who disagree with you stupid and ignorant will never accomplish what you want it to accomplish. We will never say, yes you are right, I am so dumb thank you for setting me straight. I stand by the post you are responding to by the way.

You simply cannot impose your will on women and force them to give birth. You can try and succeed in some cases, but you can't take away a fundamental right. This has always been the case. Abortion has been illegal before and it just drives it into the back alley. Abortion rights have actually increased after Roe was overturned.

This battle will rage on until the laws reflect that reality.

Are you a prophet? Who knows what is going to happen...I don't know, you don't know. Just because you want something really strongly doesn't mean it is inevitable.