Transferring back to base school from TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

Athletically wealthy schools are being give a chance through non-merit essay admissions. But does FCPS have any plans to make sure the academically wealthy also have an equal opportunity to get into public school sport teams using similar essay based holistic criteria?

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

Athletically wealthy schools are being give a chance through non-merit essay admissions. But does FCPS have any plans to make sure the academically wealthy also have an equal opportunity to get into public school sport teams using similar essay based holistic criteria?

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

Rocky run is not a wealthy school. If wealth was what got into TJ, then TJ would have been much whiter.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess no one else’s TJ kid wants to go back to base?

As a Mom of a Senior I would say pls do transfer. Its a nightmarish life and the workload is unbelievably difficult, grading very difficult, and teachers with no consideration for a kid's mental health. DC is graduating, but in retrospect if we had to choose between base school and TJ, would choose base school hands down. And just before the haters start, DD is in top 25% of TJ.

Why would you let your kid stay if it was a nightmare for them? My kids loved their time there but if they struggled like yours did, they would have switched to base.

I’m not the poster, but in my case, my child may not want to go back even if things do not go well. We cannot just force them to go back to base. Every child, every experience is different, so please be kind when writing comments.

Thank you for this note. I am the PP who mentioned about DD having a nightmarish life at TJ. And we still stand by it. It gets difficult on the kid to move back kto base school after a while, the factors are so many, including the social aspect. Even as a Senior the teachers, their expectations and the work load is unbelievably high. No consideration for the fact that this is college application time.

Another thing we would like to point out - most of the kids at TJ surprisingly have had their elder siblings graduate from TJ as well. You will be amazed to see most of the families have had both kids at TJ - which means you have elder siblings helping the ones currently at TJ with their work, assignments, grades. And parents in a closed group who hold prior tests, question banks, etc. You can search the thread, this was discussed as well.

I don't believe the comment about test banks. It doesn't happen.
But I do think an older sibling can help a younger sibling navigate TJ.
I don't think it's a noticable boost.

Why don’t you believe it? It’s true!

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Oh no! Why the admission change? Why not just take on high ability, proven track record, ability to work hard and intelligence?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess no one else’s TJ kid wants to go back to base?

As a Mom of a Senior I would say pls do transfer. Its a nightmarish life and the workload is unbelievably difficult, grading very difficult, and teachers with no consideration for a kid's mental health. DC is graduating, but in retrospect if we had to choose between base school and TJ, would choose base school hands down. And just before the haters start, DD is in top 25% of TJ.

Why would you let your kid stay if it was a nightmare for them? My kids loved their time there but if they struggled like yours did, they would have switched to base.

I’m not the poster, but in my case, my child may not want to go back even if things do not go well. We cannot just force them to go back to base. Every child, every experience is different, so please be kind when writing comments.

Thank you for this note. I am the PP who mentioned about DD having a nightmarish life at TJ. And we still stand by it. It gets difficult on the kid to move back kto base school after a while, the factors are so many, including the social aspect. Even as a Senior the teachers, their expectations and the work load is unbelievably high. No consideration for the fact that this is college application time.

Another thing we would like to point out - most of the kids at TJ surprisingly have had their elder siblings graduate from TJ as well. You will be amazed to see most of the families have had both kids at TJ - which means you have elder siblings helping the ones currently at TJ with their work, assignments, grades. And parents in a closed group who hold prior tests, question banks, etc. You can search the thread, this was discussed as well.

I don't believe the comment about test banks. It doesn't happen.
But I do think an older sibling can help a younger sibling navigate TJ.
I don't think it's a noticable boost.

Why don’t you believe it? It’s true!

If you had any evidence you would have presented it by now.

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Oh no! Why the admission change? Why not just take on high ability, proven track record, ability to work hard and intelligence?

There were too many asians and not enough of everyone else. And somehow that was racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Oh no! Why the admission change? Why not just take on high ability, proven track record, ability to work hard and intelligence?

I don't know, maybe because "proven track record" and alleged objective test measurements of intelligence etc. are transparent means of stacking the deck against kids from underprivileged backgrounds who are going to present as underperforming by those measures (relative to well-off students with similar natural intelligence and ability profiles)?

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Oh no! Why the admission change? Why not just take on high ability, proven track record, ability to work hard and intelligence?

I don't know, maybe because "proven track record" and alleged objective test measurements of intelligence etc. are transparent means of stacking the deck against kids from underprivileged backgrounds who are going to present as underperforming by those measures (relative to well-off students with similar natural intelligence and ability profiles)?

Most of the kids attending NYC's specialized high schools are on free or reduced lunch.
Poor kids can be objectively smart too.

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Black students in the bottom 30% of TJ goes to Ivies. Therefore, if a black student, stay and graduate even if it means graduating in the bottom 20-30%. Everyone else, go back to base school to improve the gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

Rocky run is not a wealthy school. If wealth was what got into TJ, then TJ would have been much whiter.

TJ is 80% minority, according to GS (ie 20% whites).

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Black students in the bottom 30% of TJ goes to Ivies. Therefore, if a black student, stay and graduate even if it means graduating in the bottom 20-30%. Everyone else, go back to base school to improve the gpa.

Not really. Ivies receive applicants from all over the US and world, and there an enough pool of black applicants with 3.5+ GPA and decent SAT. It is easier to build a relatively impressive academic profile from base school by taking slightly challenging courses and score top grades, and teachers recommendations would reiterate that. It is unlikely a TJ teacher would write a believable recommendation letter touting exceptional performance when the student is in bottom 20-30% of class with C or Ds, Irrespective of student race.

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Anonymous wrote:Nightmare situation. If you talk to your TJ counselor or anyone there, they’ll downplay your student’s feelings and insist that getting Cs and Ds is normal at TJ. However, low grades aren’t typical for an average-performing student, even with extracurricular involvement. The administration is now dealing with a significant number of low-performing students especially after admissions change, and your child is just another statistic to them. With pressure to retain the class as a whole and minimize dropouts, they would never suggest that even the poorest performers leave TJ. They seem indifferent to your struggling student’s self-esteem or future college prospects. All you hear is to stay put, with no guidance on how to help your student rise from the bottom to the top of the class.

The end of the year is the best time to consider making a switch. Start a confidential discussion with your base school counselor in the spring, around the time course selections for the following year are made. If the switch needs at beginning or mid-year, the classes available will depend on enrollment levels, which may limit your course options, but the nightmare will be over.

Black students in the bottom 30% of TJ goes to Ivies. Therefore, if a black student, stay and graduate even if it means graduating in the bottom 20-30%. Everyone else, go back to base school to improve the gpa.

I doubt it but if so then being at Tj isn't what's getting them in

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

This is the worst kind of tokenism - it elevates placement into TJ over aptitude or qualifications, while simultaneously disparaging the 24 other high schools that 96% of FCPS students attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try, but Asian Americans aren’t blaming Whites or any other race, but the current non-merit-based admission process that considers student's race. The last four years have clearly shown that the admissions process is now race-aware, as achieving the same diversity composition is impossible without factoring in student's race. Except for this past four years, there hasn’t been a four-year period in TJ's history where the racial composition has been so deliberately constrained and exact same percent split.

It's basically a cross section of the applicant pool. It's not contrived, it's random. Eliminating merit will reduce asians and increase whites because that is what the applicant pool looks like.

Is that the case? It was my understanding that fewer White's were applying and that one reason for the change was the overall lack of interest in the wider population, especially among URMs and also whites. IOW, both before the change and after, the classes reflect the applicant pool.

It's also been well established that what some here call merit (buying access to the test questions) others consider cheating.

Cheating is how overly privileged white supremacists explain losing. They can't imagine a world where they lose so the winner must have cheated.
We see this sort of mentality on full display with our republican candidate for president who still can't fathom having lost the election 4 years ago and still says his opponents cheated.
He will lose his damn mind when a black woman beats him. It will be cheating this and deep state that.
The fact of the matter is that testing is the best way to measure things that are testable.

Are you okay? You need to get over this and move on. The school board changed the admission process because mostly students from wealthy feeders were being admitted. Many relied on question thanks compiled by elite prep centers to give them an advantage. This has been well established and discussed here numerous times.

Even now, most students from academically wealthy feeders continue to be admitted in large proportion?

True, but before, few from schools that weren't among the wealthiest were admitted. I'm glad that all county residents now have a shot at this fantastic opportunity, not just the privileged few.

This is the worst kind of tokenism - it elevates placement into TJ over aptitude or qualifications, while simultaneously disparaging the 24 other high schools that 96% of FCPS students attend.

Racists can cross the aisle but they're still racists.