Smug Catholic school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

DP but you clearly know nothing about the debate over reading in this country over the past 30-40 years if you are this dismissive of phonics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

You are offensive as you mean to be. Congrats. Mission accomplished.

We are at our Catholic school in part because it offers a structured program of support for students with learning disabilities. A friend is sending their student with DS to a parochial school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

You are very ignorant if you don’t realize how many kids are unable to read due to the abandonment of phonics instruction in this country. Go listen to the “Sold a Story” podcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Brace yourself, because this is going to come as quite a shock.

In 2024 it is bi-partisan and forward thinking to embrace phonics. People on the far left push it as, yes, a method of improving equity - in Fairfax County the NAACP was at the forefront of the push to include phonics in the curriculum that started in 2022. People on the right of course never stopped appreciating it, especially as it was erroneously right-coded in the 1990s.

In a virtual meeting that March with Fairfax’s school district leaders, Hampton said the NAACP would “flood the Internet with your poor reading scores for Black and brown students if you don’t take this seriously.” The cause, as activists saw it, was partly “the absence of systematic, cumulative, phonics-based reading instruction in the early elementary classroom,” they later wrote in an open letter. “All the research suggests that this shift would have the most immediate and profound impact on closing the achievement gap.” Some teachers had always incorporated phonics—intentionally sequenced lessons in how to sound out words from letters—but the district had not made it a requirement.

(https://hechingerreport.org/naacp-targets-a-new-civil-rights-issue-reading/)

https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-launches-nationwide-partnership-right-read-film-nyc
https://www.therighttoreadfilm.org/about-the-film

Meanwhile handwriting in general and possibly cursive in particular has been shown to boost learning and brain function: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01810/full

So basically the 2000s and 2010s called and they want your regressive views on education back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Brace yourself, because this is going to come as quite a shock.

In 2024 it is bi-partisan and forward thinking to embrace phonics. People on the far left push it as, yes, a method of improving equity - in Fairfax County the NAACP was at the forefront of the push to include phonics in the curriculum that started in 2022. People on the right of course never stopped appreciating it, especially as it was erroneously right-coded in the 1990s.

In a virtual meeting that March with Fairfax’s school district leaders, Hampton said the NAACP would “flood the Internet with your poor reading scores for Black and brown students if you don’t take this seriously.” The cause, as activists saw it, was partly “the absence of systematic, cumulative, phonics-based reading instruction in the early elementary classroom,” they later wrote in an open letter. “All the research suggests that this shift would have the most immediate and profound impact on closing the achievement gap.” Some teachers had always incorporated phonics—intentionally sequenced lessons in how to sound out words from letters—but the district had not made it a requirement.

(https://hechingerreport.org/naacp-targets-a-new-civil-rights-issue-reading/)

https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-launches-nationwide-partnership-right-read-film-nyc
https://www.therighttoreadfilm.org/about-the-film

Meanwhile handwriting in general and possibly cursive in particular has been shown to boost learning and brain function: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01810/full

So basically the 2000s and 2010s called and they want your regressive views on education back.

Love this.

Well, Milky Nose PP? Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Personally I would say each time: “glad you are happy with your choice.”

And let it go. It’s more about them wanting to feel good about the money they’re spending being worth something. They apparently need to believe the public is terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

Many private schools went all in as well: Maret, GDS, Beauvoir, Sidwell - to name a few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

Many private schools went all in as well: Maret, GDS, Beauvoir, Sidwell - to name a few.

Too bad. Both those kids will be fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

Many private schools went all in as well: Maret, GDS, Beauvoir, Sidwell - to name a few.

Too bad. Both those kids will be fine.

You know what else Catholic schools got right that public and expensive privates did not? Covid. They stayed open in-person and educated the kids. With phonics and arithmetic and cursive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

Inquiry based learning, in fact, has been shown to reduce student outcomes: https://www.cis.org.au/publication/why-inquiry-based-approaches-harm-students-learning/

Kalenze’s experience lines up with what scientists have discovered in recent decades: that acquiring factual information isn’t a useless, soul-crushing exercise; it’s the prerequisite for higher-order thinking. Asking students who don’t know much about a topic to learn through inquiry or “discovery” is inefficient at best. Projects and hands-on activities often waste precious time. Engagement is crucial, but it’s quite possible for students to be highly engaged without learning anything important.

(https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/)

The only method that has a long history of being proven by rigorous studies of achieving good outcomes for all students despite teacher quality is direct instruction, aka the good old fashioned teaching people go to parochial school for. See: Project Follow Through, the US's longest running educational study: https://www.nifdi.org/what-is-di/project-follow-through.html

[Anonymous]

One of the most hilarious things about the wave of AI-based cheating is that teachers (and schools) that actually care about limiting it are shifting to in-class, handwritten exams and papers.

[Anonymous]

Here is what I would say. “Yeah my family can’t do Catholic. My Dad grew up going to catholic schools and the priests…… you know he was a victim and we couldn’t have birthday candles on our cakes because the smell of candles bothered him so much after his alter boys days”

And I wouldn’t be lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I would say. “Yeah my family can’t do Catholic. My Dad grew up going to catholic schools and the priests…… you know he was a victim and we couldn’t have birthday candles on our cakes because the smell of candles bothered him so much after his alter boys days”

And I wouldn’t be lying.

And that is an example of a totally valid reason to not attend a Catholic school (or for that matter a Catholic church).

Safeguards are very different today than even 25 years ago, thank goodness, and at least today in Virginia every member of school staff (whether clergy or lay) is a mandatory reporter for potential child endangerment/abuse. If anyone fails to report, the person who did not report is criminally liable….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled.

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues.

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same.

Many private schools went all in as well: Maret, GDS, Beauvoir, Sidwell - to name a few.

And including well regarded privates in VA.

Moreover, many (most?) of those schools still are using the Lucy Calkins crap - both the Readers Workshop and Writers Workshop. DC’s teacher told us that with Writers Workshop, she was *forbidden* to correct grammar or spelling “because it would prevent the student from thinking big thoughts” — and this was in lower elementary where a “big thought” might be the student deciding what color shirt to wear. Sigh