Bible verse card at work

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

People are allowed to pray over their own meals, of course. The administration is NOT allowed to ask everyone to pray, however. Big difference.

“Before school or during breaks, for instance, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or religious study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities.”

You don’t have to pray. You are not a student. There is no coercion. You cannot be discriminated against for not joining in. You cannot keep them from praying over a meal.

Entirely different from "there is a staff meeting you're expected to attend and we will open and close it with a prayer." If staff is required to be there, no prayer. It's really simple stuff.

You can hang out with your friends and have a prayer circle. No one is talking about that.

You can just show up 5 minutes late and leave when they start praying. You have that right as much as they have the right to pray.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

People are allowed to pray over their own meals, of course. The administration is NOT allowed to ask everyone to pray, however. Big difference.

“Before school or during breaks, for instance, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or religious study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities.”

You don’t have to pray. You are not a student. There is no coercion. You cannot be discriminated against for not joining in. You cannot keep them from praying over a meal.

Entirely different from "there is a staff meeting you're expected to attend and we will open and close it with a prayer." If staff is required to be there, no prayer. It's really simple stuff.

You can hang out with your friends and have a prayer circle. No one is talking about that.

You can just show up 5 minutes late and leave when they start praying. You have that right as much as they have the right to pray.

HAHAHHAHAA and let you blatantly break the law. I don't think so.

They DON'T have a right to pray as a school sponsored organized activity.

[Anonymous]

I understand why you find this objectionable, but I think the key question is are there any content guidelines and/or mailbox access restrictions and were these followed?

If the mailboxes are meant only for the office personnel to deliver material related to official school business, then it’s clearly out of line. If they’re meant to be used only by school personnel to communicate with each, it’s out of line. If they’re meant for anyone to communicate with the teachers about school business, it’s out of line. On the other hand, if anyone can use them for any communication, then the Bible verses would seem to have as much legitimacy as any of the other eligible non-school related material being distributed this way. This also means that other religions/organizations would be equally eligible to similarly use the mailbox system.

I don’t think Christian churches should be singled out for special access, but neither do I think they should be singled out for a ban. They, along with everyone else, should follow the general guidelines, whatever they may be.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand why you find this objectionable, but I think the key question is are there any content guidelines and/or mailbox access restrictions and were these followed?

If the mailboxes are meant only for the office personnel to deliver material related to official school business, then it’s clearly out of line. If they’re meant to be used only by school personnel to communicate with each, it’s out of line. If they’re meant for anyone to communicate with the teachers about school business, it’s out of line. On the other hand, if anyone can use them for any communication, then the Bible verses would seem to have as much legitimacy as any of the other eligible non-school related material being distributed this way. This also means that other religions/organizations would be equally eligible to similarly use the mailbox system.

I don’t think Christian churches should be singled out for special access, but neither do I think they should be singled out for a ban. They, along with everyone else, should follow the general guidelines, whatever they may be.

Have you EVER heard of just bing able to go into a school and being allowed to stuff the mailboxes with whatever you wanted? It doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

So is it just as bueatiful for Islamic people to shove their religious content in your box?

I think I'll put scarves in all of the mailboxes at my son's school and tell them how beautiful it is to cover up.

I'm sure the PP will agree on how beautiful that is too.

I literally don’t care. You can put a full head thing that just shows the eyes. I’d rip it up and use it as a dust cloth but wouldn’t care that you left it.

That totally shows how little you'd care. Keep your religious crap out of public schools.

You’re right I don’t care because it doesn’t hurt me. That’s how free speech works. You should move if you don’t like it.

Nope, my taxes pay for that school. You move if you want to have a Christian state or whatever shit you're trying to do.

I just want free speech. We already have that. So I don’t want anything. What do you want?

Prosletyzing in public schools is NOT free speech. see the link provided by the PP above.

Sorry, but this is not prosletyzing. Someone was wishing you a good day.

Guess what... I'm going to stop what I'm doing right now, PP, and pray for you. I mean that totally sincerely.

It came from a local church. It's proselytizing. They could have sent a card without the Bible verse.

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It does sound really annoying, like junk mail. Other religions, charities, political groups, businesses, MLMs, scam artists get wind of the idea to advertise in teacher boxes and there will be no respite from being advertised to, even if it's just a "Smile, Applebees loves you" card wishing you well. But as annoying as it sounds, I agree with those that say it's not angering, just disconcerting. We know some people love this stuff and we have to interact and accept them as part of our society, including propaganda and all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, I work in a public school. Today, every teacher received, in a sealed envelope, a bible verse written to them personally with a "have a great year" and signed from a local church.
I'm livid. It was in our mailboxes. The secretary must have agreed to let a parent do this.

1. Totally inappropriate at work (for now anyway, the US retains a separation of church and state)

2. MCPS has flyer distribution dates and no one us permitted to distribute items except on those dates. Not to staff, not to students. There is no carve out for churches (it was a Satanic church that caused the need for the distribution dates to begin with)

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Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

So is it just as bueatiful for Islamic people to shove their religious content in your box?

I think I'll put scarves in all of the mailboxes at my son's school and tell them how beautiful it is to cover up.

I'm sure the PP will agree on how beautiful that is too.

I literally don’t care. You can put a full head thing that just shows the eyes. I’d rip it up and use it as a dust cloth but wouldn’t care that you left it.

That totally shows how little you'd care. Keep your religious crap out of public schools.

You’re right I don’t care because it doesn’t hurt me. That’s how free speech works. You should move if you don’t like it.

Nope, my taxes pay for that school. You move if you want to have a Christian state or whatever shit you're trying to do.

I just want free speech. We already have that. So I don’t want anything. What do you want?

Prosletyzing in public schools is NOT free speech. see the link provided by the PP above.

Sorry, but this is not prosletyzing. Someone was wishing you a good day.

Guess what... I'm going to stop what I'm doing right now, PP, and pray for you. I mean that totally sincerely.

It came from a local church. It's proselytizing. They could have sent a card without the Bible verse.

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It does sound really annoying, like junk mail. Other religions, charities, political groups, businesses, MLMs, scam artists get wind of the idea to advertise in teacher boxes and there will be no respite from being advertised to, even if it's just a "Smile, Applebees loves you" card wishing you well. But as annoying as it sounds, I agree with those that say it's not angering, just disconcerting. We know some people love this stuff and we have to interact and accept them as part of our society, including propaganda and all.

It's troubling enough that we have passed laws that state what is and isn't allowed. It's a slippery slope.

[Anonymous]

Religious cults never seem to find an issue with their own garbage, but oh noes, a book with 2 dads?? BAN IT!!

Such hypocrites. Complain to the principal. Complain to the super intendant. Complain to the school board. Someone is complicit in this religious proselytizing and it's super inappropriate at work.

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Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

I found it disgusting

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Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

I found it disgusting

Me too.

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Anonymous wrote:Religious cults never seem to find an issue with their own garbage, but oh noes, a book with 2 dads?? BAN IT!!

Such hypocrites. Complain to the principal. Complain to the super intendant. Complain to the school board. Someone is complicit in this religious proselytizing and it's super inappropriate at work.

Amen!

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Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

So is it just as bueatiful for Islamic people to shove their religious content in your box?

I think I'll put scarves in all of the mailboxes at my son's school and tell them how beautiful it is to cover up.

I'm sure the PP will agree on how beautiful that is too.

I literally don’t care. You can put a full head thing that just shows the eyes. I’d rip it up and use it as a dust cloth but wouldn’t care that you left it.

That totally shows how little you'd care. Keep your religious crap out of public schools.

You’re right I don’t care because it doesn’t hurt me. That’s how free speech works. You should move if you don’t like it.

Nope, my taxes pay for that school. You move if you want to have a Christian state or whatever shit you're trying to do.

I just want free speech. We already have that. So I don’t want anything. What do you want?

Prosletyzing in public schools is NOT free speech. see the link provided by the PP above.

How is this proselytizing? Do you even know what that is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be annoyed but not livid. Too many other things that are more deserving of that level of response. Not this.

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It's a 30 second annoyance. You look at it and throw it away. They're trying to be nice. Leave it be. No need to go scorched earth over a failed attempt to be nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Christian but would be offended.

But I would throw it away and move on. Not worth it.

+1 As a Christian it offends me that others lower perceptions of Christians by proselytizing in inappropriate places, which includes the workplace. I would hate for non-Christian staff to feel targeted and unwelcome because of this. I would make sure the principal is aware of it.

FWIW, I work in a corporate office and if I went around putting bible verse cards on everyone's' desks or in their internal mailboxes I'd be getting a serious talk with HR!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a beautiful gesture.

So is it just as bueatiful for Islamic people to shove their religious content in your box?

I think I'll put scarves in all of the mailboxes at my son's school and tell them how beautiful it is to cover up.

I'm sure the PP will agree on how beautiful that is too.

I literally don’t care. You can put a full head thing that just shows the eyes. I’d rip it up and use it as a dust cloth but wouldn’t care that you left it.

That totally shows how little you'd care. Keep your religious crap out of public schools.

You’re right I don’t care because it doesn’t hurt me. That’s how free speech works. You should move if you don’t like it.

Nope, my taxes pay for that school. You move if you want to have a Christian state or whatever shit you're trying to do.

I just want free speech. We already have that. So I don’t want anything. What do you want?

Prosletyzing in public schools is NOT free speech. see the link provided by the PP above.

How is this proselytizing? Do you even know what that is?

A church passing religious materials to the school staff is a 100% proselytizing. Do YOU know what it is????