jobs are very hard to find for recent grads.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard even fresh grads with CS from top 10 CS schools are also having a hard time.

Yes, my nephew graduated from CM and had an offer rescinded at a big tech company. He was devastated. He'd put a deposit down on an apartment in that city and everything. The company made cutbacks/layoffs and rescinded several job offers. He'd even interned at the same company the summer before his senior year.

My sister & BIL had to pay to break his lease because that was cheaper than them paying his rent in that city for the next X months while he looked for a new job.

My BIL said he applied to over 100 jobs but only received a handful of interviews. He ended up getting a job with a smaller newish company in the DMV area. He's living at home and applying to everything he comes across. I don't know what his salary is but my sis said it wouldn't even cover 1 year of tuition at CM.

No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

CMU is $90K per year. 2021 and 2022 CS CMU graduates were getting offers over $125K/$130K

Neighbor's kid is a CMU grad in CS this year, and he is still looking for a job. The job market for tech is so bad at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

This is NOT a wise decision or investment. CMU costs 84K/year (post-tax money) to attend and GS-7 step 1 is around 56K/year (pre-tax money) in the DMV. People do not attends CMU for a GS-7 government job.

Jeez Louise. It doesn’t stay a GS-7 job forever.

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Anonymous wrote:No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

This is NOT a wise decision or investment. CMU costs 84K/year (post-tax money) to attend and GS-7 step 1 is around 56K/year (pre-tax money) in the DMV. People do not attends CMU for a GS-7 government job.

Jeez Louise. It doesn’t stay a GS-7 job forever.

You must be from a rich family. Unfortunately, most people do NOT.

In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

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I am glad my son opted to go to cough cough Penn State. He graduated this summer and just recently got a job. He studied electrical engineering not sure if his major made it easier. He wanted to go to CMU where he was admitted but we didn't have the resources. Most likely a CMU graduate may end up with a better career in the long run but graduating without any debt is always a good start.

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Anonymous wrote:No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

This is NOT a wise decision or investment. CMU costs 84K/year (post-tax money) to attend and GS-7 step 1 is around 56K/year (pre-tax money) in the DMV. People do not attends CMU for a GS-7 government job.

Jeez Louise. It doesn’t stay a GS-7 job forever.

You must be from a rich family. Unfortunately, most people do NOT.

In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

DP. I started out of school as a GS-9 and ended up as a 15 after 8 years before leaving and now make $260k. Plus government has student loan repayment programs. GS-7 is not beneath a new grad, even one that went to an expensive school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad my son opted to go to cough cough Penn State. He graduated this summer and just recently got a job. He studied electrical engineering not sure if his major made it easier. He wanted to go to CMU where he was admitted but we didn't have the resources. Most likely a CMU graduate may end up with a better career in the long run but graduating without any debt is always a good start.

Do you live in PA? Penn State is rather expensive for out of state.

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Anonymous wrote:My sister, the Wharton grad, was selling bikes at a bike shop in center city Philly as she could not get a job. Most Wharton grads move to NYC to work and my sister did not want to do that. My Dad got disgusted and made her talk to the military recruiters.

She went into OCS. She was not planning on joining the military. She did have a good career.

The academy grads are fast tracked but Ivy grads in the military do well. She worked throughout Europe and spent a lot of time in countries that were former Soviet bloc countries that want to join NATO.

Who goes to Wharton and works in a bike shop because you don’t want to go to NYC?

As a parent, I guess I might make my kid join the military too. This is like my kid wanting to work in politics but refusing to move to DC.

Family friend’s son graduated Yale a few years back and going into military as an officer. I think his mom wants him to be a senator one day and I think he might be.

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Anonymous wrote:No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

This is NOT a wise decision or investment. CMU costs 84K/year (post-tax money) to attend and GS-7 step 1 is around 56K/year (pre-tax money) in the DMV. People do not attends CMU for a GS-7 government job.

Jeez Louise. It doesn’t stay a GS-7 job forever.

You must be from a rich family. Unfortunately, most people do NOT.

In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

What career ladder gets you from 7 to 13-4 in in 4 years?

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Anonymous wrote:In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

DP. I started out of school as a GS-9 and ended up as a 15 after 8 years before leaving and now make $260k. Plus government has student loan repayment programs. GS-7 is not beneath a new grad, even one that went to an expensive school.

GS-7 is NOT beneath for a new grad but it is also not a good idea to get that GS-7 job if you have 300K in student loan from CMU.

As of August 2024, federal student loan interest rates range from 6.53% to 9.08%. For example, if you had $300,000 in federal student loans and paid them off over 10 years at a 6.22% interest rate, your monthly payment would be $3,364.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No idea what CMU tuition costs, but the Federal government will usually hire a CS new grad with at least a 3.0 GPA at around GS-7 pay plus the computer science plus-up (worth about 3 steps, I think).

Local places STEM majors should apply include contractors like MItre and Aerospace and IDA and CNA or government (NIST, NIH, ARL, NSWC, NRL, USPTO, NAVSEA). NSA also reportedly hires tons and tons of CS graduates at Ft Meade.

I have to believe that if a recent CS grad applied to all of those that at least some would want to interview the student.

This is NOT a wise decision or investment. CMU costs 84K/year (post-tax money) to attend and GS-7 step 1 is around 56K/year (pre-tax money) in the DMV. People do not attends CMU for a GS-7 government job.

Jeez Louise. It doesn’t stay a GS-7 job forever.

You must be from a rich family. Unfortunately, most people do NOT.

In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

What career ladder gets you from 7 to 13-4 in in 4 years?

US Patent Office. You start at GS-7, automatically promotion to 9 after six months and 11 one year after that. After that, it is another year if you meet the production quota.

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Things my dc did as an intern that get them a full time job offer. Went into the office everyday even when option to work at home. Smiled at people. Engaged in conversation with everyone, especially the admins. Offered to help, Jane needs help making 500 copies, oh of course I will help. Attended all intern events. As they met people at the company connected via LinkedIn. All things which are simple but to this generation are a struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:My sister, the Wharton grad, was selling bikes at a bike shop in center city Philly as she could not get a job. Most Wharton grads move to NYC to work and my sister did not want to do that. My Dad got disgusted and made her talk to the military recruiters.

She went into OCS. She was not planning on joining the military. She did have a good career.

The academy grads are fast tracked but Ivy grads in the military do well. She worked throughout Europe and spent a lot of time in countries that were former Soviet bloc countries that want to join NATO.

Who goes to Wharton and works in a bike shop because you don’t want to go to NYC?

As a parent, I guess I might make my kid join the military too. This is like my kid wanting to work in politics but refusing to move to DC.

Family friend’s son graduated Yale a few years back and going into military as an officer. I think his mom wants him to be a senator one day and I think he might be.

Again, a decent number of Ivy grads purposely go into the military. A decent number of 18-year-olds with few career prospects and few $$$s for college, join the military because that's a job available to them.

Very few Ivy grads join the military (who had absolutely no interest in joining the military) because they can't get a job. That's the point.

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Anonymous wrote:In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

DP. I started out of school as a GS-9 and ended up as a 15 after 8 years before leaving and now make $260k. Plus government has student loan repayment programs. GS-7 is not beneath a new grad, even one that went to an expensive school.

GS-7 is NOT beneath for a new grad but it is also not a good idea to get that GS-7 job if you have 300K in student loan from CMU.

As of August 2024, federal student loan interest rates range from 6.53% to 9.08%. For example, if you had $300,000 in federal student loans and paid them off over 10 years at a 6.22% interest rate, your monthly payment would be $3,364.

Well it might be better than the alternative of no job at all. And with the experience they can always try to pivot to a better position in the private sector.

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Anonymous wrote:In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

DP. I started out of school as a GS-9 and ended up as a 15 after 8 years before leaving and now make $260k. Plus government has student loan repayment programs. GS-7 is not beneath a new grad, even one that went to an expensive school.

GS-7 is NOT beneath for a new grad but it is also not a good idea to get that GS-7 job if you have 300K in student loan from CMU.

As of August 2024, federal student loan interest rates range from 6.53% to 9.08%. For example, if you had $300,000 in federal student loans and paid them off over 10 years at a 6.22% interest rate, your monthly payment would be $3,364.

Pretty sure an undergrad can’t even take out 300K in student loans. That’s just for grad students.

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Anonymous wrote:In order to make 84K/year (post-tax money), you have to be a GS-13 step 4. That will take about four years to get there. Therefore, you run a deficit in the first four years. Let say you attend CMU on student loan of 300K, it is not a wise idea to take that government job. Just saying.

DP. I started out of school as a GS-9 and ended up as a 15 after 8 years before leaving and now make $260k. Plus government has student loan repayment programs. GS-7 is not beneath a new grad, even one that went to an expensive school.

GS-7 is NOT beneath for a new grad but it is also not a good idea to get that GS-7 job if you have 300K in student loan from CMU.

As of August 2024, federal student loan interest rates range from 6.53% to 9.08%. For example, if you had $300,000 in federal student loans and paid them off over 10 years at a 6.22% interest rate, your monthly payment would be $3,364.

Except, again, there are programs for this. Income-based repayment, public sector loan forgiveness, and agency-specific student loan repayment programs. A new grad with debt looking for a job should not exclude these options.