Weight loss drugs—is it just eating less calories??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the calories.

I moved to an East Asian country almost two weeks ago and don’t have my kitchen set up yet, so have been eating exclusively at the local outdoor hawkers. The traditional food on offer is much lower in calories. I’ve lost 6 pounds without trying. And I had accepted those extra 5 or 6 pounds as permanent when I turned 40. None of the other women in my age group here are overweight, either, and they are eating the same filling, low calorie things.

When I go back to the US I will gain back my 6 pounds of fluff, I am sure. It’s hard to feel satisfied with the foods at home and I eat more calories, even though it is mostly healthy foods.

So Wegovy, move somewhere you are forced to eat at less calories, or develop the self-discipline I never had: all reduce calories and have the same result. It isn’t magic.

If you eat 1500 calories in French fries vs 1500 calories in hard boiled eggs every day … you won’t weight the same after 10 days.

So no.

Then how did the guy lose weight eating only twinkies for a month?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the calories.

I moved to an East Asian country almost two weeks ago and don’t have my kitchen set up yet, so have been eating exclusively at the local outdoor hawkers. The traditional food on offer is much lower in calories. I’ve lost 6 pounds without trying. And I had accepted those extra 5 or 6 pounds as permanent when I turned 40. None of the other women in my age group here are overweight, either, and they are eating the same filling, low calorie things.

When I go back to the US I will gain back my 6 pounds of fluff, I am sure. It’s hard to feel satisfied with the foods at home and I eat more calories, even though it is mostly healthy foods.

So Wegovy, move somewhere you are forced to eat at less calories, or develop the self-discipline I never had: all reduce calories and have the same result. It isn’t magic.

If you eat 1500 calories in French fries vs 1500 calories in hard boiled eggs every day … you won’t weight the same after 10 days.

So no.

Then how did the guy lose weight eating only twinkies for a month?

Because he reduced his caloric uptake by 800 calories a day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Are you for real? I am not judging anyone. I eat well but too many calories, exercise and I am overweigh. I work out hard and still struggle to lose weight. I know plenty of people who are thin and don't take care of themselves. I also know that if you locked me in a room and put me on a 900 cal/day diet I would lose weight. I would be hungry and miserable but my body would burn my fat for the extra energy it needs.

Now is it fair that I have to eat far less than someone else to lose weight, no, but that is life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Are you for real? I am not judging anyone. I eat well but too many calories, exercise and I am overweigh. I work out hard and still struggle to lose weight. I know plenty of people who are thin and don't take care of themselves. I also know that if you locked me in a room and put me on a 900 cal/day diet I would lose weight. I would be hungry and miserable but my body would burn my fat for the extra energy it needs.

Now is it fair that I have to eat far less than someone else to lose weight, no, but that is life.

You lack basic understanding of how a body works.

What you’re saying is if you ate 900 calories you will lose weight.

Then someone says that’s bad for your heart and joins and so many things.

So take drug X eat 1200 calories and lose weight.

Then your like no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Around the edges there are differences sure. But that’s not the explanation for the current problem. The obesity prevalence didn’t exist 50 years ago.

People eat garbage and too much of it. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Around the edges there are differences sure. But that’s not the explanation for the current problem. The obesity prevalence didn’t exist 50 years ago.

People eat garbage and too much of it. The end.

Oh, you typed "the end"? Well I guess it is fully settled, and we can forget all that silly science, data, and experience.

Now do who killed JFK please.

/You're not well informed, and you know it. And your point about increased obesity rates refutes your position rather than supports it. Baffles me how you don't see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Around the edges there are differences sure. But that’s not the explanation for the current problem. The obesity prevalence didn’t exist 50 years ago.

People eat garbage and too much of it. The end.

Oh, you typed "the end"? Well I guess it is fully settled, and we can forget all that silly science, data, and experience.

Now do who killed JFK please.

/You're not well informed, and you know it. And your point about increased obesity rates refutes your position rather than supports it. Baffles me how you don't see that.

Let me guess; it’s the GMO tomatoes that are making people fat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the calories.

I moved to an East Asian country almost two weeks ago and don’t have my kitchen set up yet, so have been eating exclusively at the local outdoor hawkers. The traditional food on offer is much lower in calories. I’ve lost 6 pounds without trying. And I had accepted those extra 5 or 6 pounds as permanent when I turned 40. None of the other women in my age group here are overweight, either, and they are eating the same filling, low calorie things.

When I go back to the US I will gain back my 6 pounds of fluff, I am sure. It’s hard to feel satisfied with the foods at home and I eat more calories, even though it is mostly healthy foods.

So Wegovy, move somewhere you are forced to eat at less calories, or develop the self-discipline I never had: all reduce calories and have the same result. It isn’t magic.

No one said it was magic. Quite the opposite. There's more to it than "forced to eat at less calories". This is the point you and other ignorant people refuse to acknowledge.

Oh, ok, I’m “ignorant” because I told you my story of being unable to lose 4 pounds for years, thinking I ate healthily, and then being forced to actually eat fewer calories on this trip and quickly dropping the weight I struggled to lose for years. And… there are no obese people on this place that I have seen: they are all super slim. But the less caloric food is definitely not keeping them slimmer than Americans in general and definitely not what caused me to drop the weight I struggled with for years very quickly. That is all ignorant. Because you say so! Gotcha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the calories.

I moved to an East Asian country almost two weeks ago and don’t have my kitchen set up yet, so have been eating exclusively at the local outdoor hawkers. The traditional food on offer is much lower in calories. I’ve lost 6 pounds without trying. And I had accepted those extra 5 or 6 pounds as permanent when I turned 40. None of the other women in my age group here are overweight, either, and they are eating the same filling, low calorie things.

When I go back to the US I will gain back my 6 pounds of fluff, I am sure. It’s hard to feel satisfied with the foods at home and I eat more calories, even though it is mostly healthy foods.

So Wegovy, move somewhere you are forced to eat at less calories, or develop the self-discipline I never had: all reduce calories and have the same result. It isn’t magic.

No one said it was magic. Quite the opposite. There's more to it than "forced to eat at less calories". This is the point you and other ignorant people refuse to acknowledge.

Oh, ok, I’m “ignorant” because I told you my story of being unable to lose 4 pounds for years, thinking I ate healthily, and then being forced to actually eat fewer calories on this trip and quickly dropping the weight I struggled to lose for years. And… there are no obese people on this place that I have seen: they are all super slim. But the less caloric food is definitely not keeping them slimmer than Americans in general and definitely not what caused me to drop the weight I struggled with for years very quickly. That is all ignorant. Because you say so! Gotcha.

5 pounds, not 4. And I list 6 total in a little less than two weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Around the edges there are differences sure. But that’s not the explanation for the current problem. The obesity prevalence didn’t exist 50 years ago.

People eat garbage and too much of it. The end.

Oh, you typed "the end"? Well I guess it is fully settled, and we can forget all that silly science, data, and experience.

Now do who killed JFK please.

/You're not well informed, and you know it. And your point about increased obesity rates refutes your position rather than supports it. Baffles me how you don't see that.

Let me guess; it’s the GMO tomatoes that are making people fat

You keep serving up those gems of genius. It will go a long way to making people see your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s the calories.

I moved to an East Asian country almost two weeks ago and don’t have my kitchen set up yet, so have been eating exclusively at the local outdoor hawkers. The traditional food on offer is much lower in calories. I’ve lost 6 pounds without trying. And I had accepted those extra 5 or 6 pounds as permanent when I turned 40. None of the other women in my age group here are overweight, either, and they are eating the same filling, low calorie things.

When I go back to the US I will gain back my 6 pounds of fluff, I am sure. It’s hard to feel satisfied with the foods at home and I eat more calories, even though it is mostly healthy foods.

So Wegovy, move somewhere you are forced to eat at less calories, or develop the self-discipline I never had: all reduce calories and have the same result. It isn’t magic.

No one said it was magic. Quite the opposite. There's more to it than "forced to eat at less calories". This is the point you and other ignorant people refuse to acknowledge.

Oh, ok, I’m “ignorant” because I told you my story of being unable to lose 4 pounds for years, thinking I ate healthily, and then being forced to actually eat fewer calories on this trip and quickly dropping the weight I struggled to lose for years. And… there are no obese people on this place that I have seen: they are all super slim. But the less caloric food is definitely not keeping them slimmer than Americans in general and definitely not what caused me to drop the weight I struggled with for years very quickly. That is all ignorant. Because you say so! Gotcha.

No, none of those are the reasons you are ignorant.

You are ignorant because you haven't researched these medications, what they do, who they work on, or their effectiveness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My teenage dd eats a ton more than I do and is super thin. No she doesn’t purge. It’s definitely not CiCO or I would be as thin as she is

No, you wouldn't. Your assumption is that you, a middle aged woman, have the same energy expenditure and metabolism as a teenager. CICO takes metabolism and energy expenditure into account.

If we could, with 100% accuracy, determine someone's energy expenditure and that was the same every day for 2 people and they ate the same calories as that number they would weigh the same and if they ate that number they would not lose or gain weight.

Well then I feel like it’s worthless to judge people then, if we do take metabolism into account, because most days I walk many more steps per day than my dd does as part of my job and some weeks I work out a lot more than she does and yet she continues to be a stick when I’m decidedly not. So why do we talk about this as a calculation?

Because CICO people say…

It’s how much you eat

Then we say no it’s how much your body uptakes

Then they say no it’s not

Then you say you eat the same as your daughter and she’s thin

Then they say it’s her caloric uptake is different due to metabolism

And then we say exactly it’s not how much you eat

Then they say no it’s how much you eat

They contradict themselves because they lack basic common sense, knowledge of biology and are gonna die on this hill no matter how wrong.

Around the edges there are differences sure. But that’s not the explanation for the current problem. The obesity prevalence didn’t exist 50 years ago.

People eat garbage and too much of it. The end.

Oh, you typed "the end"? Well I guess it is fully settled, and we can forget all that silly science, data, and experience.

Now do who killed JFK please.

/You're not well informed, and you know it. And your point about increased obesity rates refutes your position rather than supports it. Baffles me how you don't see that.

Let me guess; it’s the GMO tomatoes that are making people fat

You keep serving up those gems of genius. It will go a long way to making people see your point.

I guess I could be part of the always a victim crowd that refuses to believe humans have free agency and are capable of controlling their own weight. Sounds like a great way to live blaming all sorts of external reasons instead of facing the facts about obesity.